Should the burka be banned?

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  • skipjack79skipjack79 Posts: 3,250
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    you`re not short on issues yourself are you, manners and a view so narrow that you have an inability to see things from a different perspective appear to be a couple.

    Well, I'd rather be those things. than have a crippling fear of people, to the extent I want to hide behind a burqa.
  • Jane Doh!Jane Doh! Posts: 43,307
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    skipjack79 wrote: »
    Well, I'd rather be those things. than have a crippling fear of people, to the extent I want to hide behind a burqa.

    Who mentioned a crippling fear? Neither I nor Annette did.
  • annette kurtenannette kurten Posts: 39,543
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    skipjack79 wrote: »
    Well, I'd rather be those things. than have a crippling fear of people, to the extent I want to hide behind a burqa.

    good for you :confused: show me that bit?
  • Richard46Richard46 Posts: 59,830
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    cas1977 wrote: »
    Not that I know much about this, but when western european females go to those parts of the world where it is obligatory to wear the burkha, then those women have to wear it also. Like we've seen journalists having to wear it, when they're working over there. Maybe they've been told to wear them, or choose to wear them out of respect/politeness. I'm not sure which

    ,,,,,..

    I have never seen a western journalist wearing a burka; headscarfs yes.

    Is there a part of the world where it is 'obligatory' for all women to wear the burka?
  • DinkyDoobieDinkyDoobie Posts: 17,786
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    Richard46 wrote: »
    Is there a part of the world where it is 'obligatory' for all women to wear the burka?

    Not anymore because we went over there and blew up the people who thought it should be mandatory.
  • annette kurtenannette kurten Posts: 39,543
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    Jane Doh! wrote: »
    I completely agree. There are some that cannot understand and some that refuse to even try. I am happy by myself. I don't need people to talk to. I just need my camera. And coffee.

    i think some people find their rewards inside themselves rather than outside, i suspect that might be tied up with creativity.
  • skipjack79skipjack79 Posts: 3,250
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    i think some people find their rewards inside themselves rather than outside, i suspect that might be tied up with creativity.

    You must be one of the only non-religious people in the world who would choose to wear a burqa, and despite your hyper-weak claim that "burqa women are more creative", it doesn't take away from the fact that millions of women are forced to wear the garment. The vast majority of these poor girls have NO desire to be hidden away, and would love to be able to socialise and interact with wider society. Your case is unique, and does nothing to further their cause.
  • Jane Doh!Jane Doh! Posts: 43,307
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    skipjack79 wrote: »
    your hyper-weak claim that "burqa women are more creative", .

    Why are you making things up? It's crap debating.
  • annette kurtenannette kurten Posts: 39,543
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    skipjack79 wrote: »
    You must be one of the only non-religious people in the world who would choose to wear a burqa, and despite your hyper-weak claim that "burqa women are more creative", it doesn't take away from the fact that millions of women are forced to wear the garment. The vast majority of these poor girls have NO desire to be hidden away, and would love to be able to socialise and interact with wider society. Your case is unique, and does nothing to further their cause.

    where`s this?
  • skipjack79skipjack79 Posts: 3,250
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    where`s this?

    Ok, your post implied that people who don't interact with other people are more creative than those who socialise with wider society, and as we're discussing burqas assumed that is what you were hinting at. I'll admit you didn't say those specific words, so could be wrong. However that doesn't negate anything else in my post which is all true and accurate.
  • annette kurtenannette kurten Posts: 39,543
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    skipjack79 wrote: »
    Ok, your post implied that people who don't interact with other people are more creative than those who socialise with wider society, and as we're discussing burqas assumed that is what you were hinting at. I'll admit you didn't say those specific words, so could be wrong. However that doesn't negate anything else in my post which is all true and accurate.

    where?
    i don`t reject interaction, i avoid it for the most part because i`m busy doing something i find more rewarding, if i leave the house then i`m bound to have to talk to half a dozen people and miss a load of shots:mad::mad::mad::mad:.

    i`m actually very social and outgoing when i`m with people, i just prefer my own company by far.
    Jane Doh! wrote: »
    I completely agree. There are some that cannot understand and some that refuse to even try. I am happy by myself. I don't need people to talk to. I just need my camera. And coffee.
    i think some people find their rewards inside themselves rather than outside, i suspect that might be tied up with creativity.

    please clear this one up too:
    skipjack79 wrote: »
    Well, I'd rather be those things. than have a crippling fear of people, to the extent I want to hide behind a burqa.
    Jane Doh! wrote: »
    Who mentioned a crippling fear? Neither I nor Annette did.
    good for you :confused: show me that bit?
  • Jane Doh!Jane Doh! Posts: 43,307
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    skipjack79 wrote: »
    Ok, your post implied that people who don't interact with other people are more creative than those who socialise with wider society, and as we're discussing burqas assumed that is what you were hinting at. I'll admit you didn't say those specific words, so could be wrong. However that doesn't negate anything else in my post which is all true and accurate.

    There's no "could be wrong" about it. You made it up. Like the other post about the "crippling fear".

    Is your argument so weak that you have to resort to making things up?
  • kulmarkulmar Posts: 1,965
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    Jane Doh! wrote: »
    Who mentioned a crippling fear? Neither I nor Annette did.

    I think the important thing to remember here is that yourself and Annette have the choiceto wear or not whatever you choose whether that be a short skirt or a burka but wanting to wear a burka simply for personal possibly selfish reasons was not what this thread was originally about. I don't wish to take away your choice to wear what you want but I fear the reason you don't actually wear a burka or something similar now is because you may feel it is socially unacceptable for some reason. In fact the more I think about it I think more people should cover their faces, whether it be for cold protection, anti socialism, or just plain old hiding from the man. It's a great idea and one that I think should get its own special day..:D
  • Jane Doh!Jane Doh! Posts: 43,307
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    kulmar wrote: »
    I think the important thing to remember here is that yourself and Annette have the choiceto wear or not whatever you choose whether that be a short skirt or a burka but wanting to wear a burka simply for personal possibly selfish reasons was not what this thread was originally about. I don't wish to take away your choice to wear what you want but I fear the reason you don't actually wear a burka or something similar now is because you may feel it is socially unacceptable for some reason. In fact the more I think about it I think more people should cover their faces, whether it be for cold protection, anti socialism, or just plain old hiding from the man. It's a great idea and one that I think should get its own special day..:D

    No, it has nothing to do with what society considers acceptable. Wearing a burka would not be conducive to using a camera.
  • kulmarkulmar Posts: 1,965
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    Jane Doh! wrote: »
    No, it has nothing to do with what society considers acceptable. Wearing a burka would not be conducive to using a camera.

    I dunno those old style early cameras had their own cloth attachment :D
  • MAWMAW Posts: 38,777
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    i think some people find their rewards inside themselves rather than outside, i suspect that might be tied up with creativity.

    It's a thought. I've never considered myself artistically creative.
  • jrajra Posts: 48,325
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    what`s sad about doing what makes you happy? sadder is not understanding that other people have different needs.

    i prefer to get on with what i`m doing uninterrupted and unnoticed by other people, almost everything i enjoy is solitary and involves focus and concentration, people get in the bloody way and interrupt my creative flow.

    If you want to be unnoticed by other people then be a hermit.

    Otherwise you can't avoid it.
  • annette kurtenannette kurten Posts: 39,543
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    jra wrote: »
    If you want to be unnoticed by other people then be a hermit.

    Otherwise you can't avoid it.

    no flies on you is there.
  • anne_666anne_666 Posts: 72,891
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    I have no idea what two women bringing their personal choice into this, has to do with the question. Unless, of course, they are Muslim in which case I apologise.
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    kulmar wrote: »
    I dunno those old style early cameras had their own cloth attachment :D

    :D

    This reminds me of a friend who was visiting London with her kids. Her young daughter pointed to a woman in a Burka and asked is that Cousin It with a raincoat on, to which her son replied nooo, she's escaped from a Leper colony, she's got leprosy. :eek::D
  • skipjack79skipjack79 Posts: 3,250
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    anne_666 wrote: »
    I have no idea what two women bringing their personal choice into this, has to do with the question. Unless, of course, they are Muslim in which case I apologise.

    They're not Muslim. What I *think* is going on, is that due to a warped and bizarre desire to support the right of Muslim men to oppress women via the burqa, they are claiming they personally dislike interaction with people, and in Annette's case, pretending she would happily wear a burqa every day "if she could get away with it" (whatever that is supposed to mean).
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    Jane Doh! wrote: »
    Who mentioned a crippling fear? Neither I nor Annette did.

    One Muslim lady on the channel 4 news programme said that Allah had commanded women to wear the burka, even though other Muslims say that there's no such rule in the Koran and I'd argue that this lady wears the burka through a fear of sorts - a fear of Allah/God, even though billions of women around the world go about their daily lives without it.
  • Erica CartmanErica Cartman Posts: 1,402
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    No it shouldn't, and anyone who disagrees is racist.
  • Jane Doh!Jane Doh! Posts: 43,307
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    skipjack79 wrote: »
    They're not Muslim. What I *think* is going on, is that due to a warped and bizarre desire to support the right of Muslim men to oppress women via the burqa, they are claiming they personally dislike interaction with people, and in Annette's case, pretending she would happily wear a burqa every day "if she could get away with it" (whatever that is supposed to mean).
    More making stuff up. Why do you do it? I didn't think you were that kind of poster.
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