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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 464
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    aggs wrote: »
    It was a hastily put together tele programme which isn't going to be able - or probably even allowed - to go into the defence in any great detail and certainly not the prosecution.

    Who were the company behind the programme, because we have seen similar before in other cases?

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/media-blog/2013/mar/11/oscar-pistorius-bbc-documentary-reeva-steenkamp?INTCMP=SRCH
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    daniellejaynedaniellejayne Posts: 2,462
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    Possible reason she locked the door and didn't shout out to Oscar when he shouted to call the police? http://www.itv.com/news/update/2013-03-11/reeva-locked-herself-in-bedroom-during-previous-burglary/
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    franciefrancie Posts: 31,089
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    "The family of Oscar Pistorius's dead girlfriend, Reeva Steenkamp, have told ITV News that it is unfair that he is trying to get his bail conditions relaxed." http://www.itv.com/news/topic/oscar-pistorius/

    I'd feel pretty well upset about it too.
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    franciefrancie Posts: 31,089
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    Possible reason she locked the door and didn't shout out to Oscar when he shouted to call the police? http://www.itv.com/news/update/2013-03-11/reeva-locked-herself-in-bedroom-during-previous-burglary/

    According to OP's statement timing, she must have been in the toilet when he heard the noise...ie she wasn't in bed when he heard the noise.
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    Deep PurpleDeep Purple Posts: 63,255
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    francie wrote: »
    According to OP's statement timing, she must have been in the toilet when he heard the noise...ie she wasn't in bed when he heard the noise.

    Exactly. The noise he heard, if he heard one at all, must have been her in the bathroom, therefore she wasn't hiding from a burglar, so who was she hiding from?
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    daniellejaynedaniellejayne Posts: 2,462
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    francie wrote: »
    According to OP's statement timing, she must have been in the toilet when he heard the noise...ie she wasn't in bed when he heard the noise.

    I know, what I mean is she had gone to the toilet, he heard a noise and shouted for her to call the police. Reeva not knowing it was actually her that he heard making the noise locked the door to the toilet and stayed quiet thinking the 'intruder' was elsewhere in the house.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 9
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    But as she had her phone why didn't she ring the police if Oscar shouted for her to do so? another hole in his story....
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    daniellejaynedaniellejayne Posts: 2,462
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    daveoz wrote: »
    But as she had her phone why didn't she ring the police if Oscar shouted for her to do so? another hole in his story....

    Because she was shot before she had the chance?
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    aggsaggs Posts: 29,461
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    Deep PurpleDeep Purple Posts: 63,255
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    I know, what I mean is she had gone to the toilet, he heard a noise and shouted for her to call the police. Reeva not knowing it was actually her that he heard making the noise locked the door to the toilet and stayed quiet thinking the 'intruder' was elsewhere in the house.

    So, he heard her in the toilet making this mystery "noise", yet he didn't hear her get out of bed, and go to the toilet?
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    Xela MXela M Posts: 4,710
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    It's the first time I've seen an interview with Reeva's ex. Can't say I was impressed.
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    franciefrancie Posts: 31,089
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    Xela M wrote: »
    It's the first time I've seen an interview with Reeva's ex. Can't say I was impressed.

    Not impressed in what way?

    I didn't see the prog / interview but I should imagine OP and RS herself were more accustomed to interviews / media savy than her ex ..hence appearing more relaxed and "professional", (if that's what you're getting at?)
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    franciefrancie Posts: 31,089
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    So, he heard her in the toilet making this mystery "noise", yet he didn't hear her get out of bed, and go to the toilet?

    The only argument I can see him using to "excuse" that is the environmental noise, whilst on the balcony, was louder than the bedroom and that the noise(s) happened the split second(s) he shut the balcony doors. Still doesn't convince me though.
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    Deep PurpleDeep Purple Posts: 63,255
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    francie wrote: »
    The only argument I can see him using to "excuse" that is the environmental noise, whilst on the balcony, was louder than the bedroom and that the noise(s) happened the split second(s) he shut the balcony doors. Still doesn't convince me though.

    Me neither, and hearing a noise in the bathroom would mean checking the whereabouts of the person sharing the bedroom, as that would be the obvious source of the noise.
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    LaVieEnRoseLaVieEnRose Posts: 12,836
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    Exactly, and why not ask her to phone the police before he starts sidling up the passageway?
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 12,830
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    That programme had very little new stuff, a bit disappointing.
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    Xela MXela M Posts: 4,710
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    francie wrote: »
    Not impressed in what way?

    I didn't see the prog / interview but I should imagine OP and RS herself were more accustomed to interviews / media savy than her ex ..hence appearing more relaxed and "professional", (if that's what you're getting at?)

    Not professional at all, but quite thick. That was just my impression of him though :o
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    franciefrancie Posts: 31,089
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    Xela M wrote: »
    Not professional at all, but quite thick. That was just my impression of him though :o

    Ok...I'm trying to give the bloke the benefit of the doubt here (I should really watch his interview in all fairness) - it must be quite overwhelming to be in the spotlight with such a sensational case such as this..one day you're going about your business as usual, the next the world's media want to know you :eek: I don't envy him being involved in this.
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    Xela MXela M Posts: 4,710
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    Her friend Gina and that tattoo artist didn't come across great either.
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    franciefrancie Posts: 31,089
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    Exactly, and why not ask her to phone the police before he starts sidling up the passageway?

    So many ways he could have protected himself and Reeva imo - get the hell out of there for a start and lock the bedroom door behind them.
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    Xela M wrote: »
    Her friend Gina and that tattoo artist didn't come across great either.

    To me there was something distasteful about her friend showing the film crew Reeva's personal belongings, holding up her favourite dress and so on. She was a bit too eager to talk to the media for my liking.
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    1fab1fab Posts: 20,052
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    One thing that came across very clearly was just how paranoid many South Africans are about security. Oscar's friend recounted how he had once knocked over a fan in the night when staying over, and that Oscar had immediately gone for his gun. Reeva herself had locked herself in a room during a previous burglary.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 12,830
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    I thought Gina came across very well, perhaps the most affected by Reeva's death, being her best friend. Gina is a well-respected make-up artist and has her own website, working for Elizabeth Arden among others. I was struck by how beautiful Gina herself was.

    I think we really needed to hear from Reeva's family, perhaps her brother, if her parents did not want to appear. Most of all to show how determined and remarkable Reeva was as a person, they might have said something about her recovery from a serious riding accident 6 years ago when she broke her back and had to learn to walk again.
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    Xela MXela M Posts: 4,710
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    The law student who said that there were just too many holes in his story was right. "He went into the bedroom too many times without noticing that Reeva was gone". It was so dark he couldn't see anything, but yet he went back and forth, around corners what seems like miles before switching on the light. It's just odd.
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    LH1LH1 Posts: 2,394
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    Exactly, and why not ask her to phone the police before he starts sidling up the passageway?

    I got the impression he wasn't sidling anywhere. Didn't he say in his affidavit that he was screaming as he went along the hallway to the bathroom?
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