The "pod" system is flawed - if you have 4 groups of 3 players practising together what happens if 2 of those players are playing poorly/under the weather and the other is in the form of his life?? Who does he pair up with and what happens with the other 2 if he is thrown into another partnership??
This togetherness thing is a smokescreen by the American press and players to try and cover up for their nation's shortcomings. When you consider that half of the European team play in America and the other half ply their trade worldwide on the European tour I fail to see how they can be more together than the yanks who play at the same venue week in week out ...
Were we more together when we were getting horsed every time before the mid eighties??
Assuming this goes like most sports, and UK team players decline to only 2 or 3, and starts being held in more places around Europe, will the Ryder Cup matter so much?
It's between Clarke and Jiminez supposedly. Langer captained in 2004. There's no hard and fast rule about it but since the mid 90s people generally only get asked to captain once.
It's between Clarke and Jiminez supposedly. Langer captained in 2004. There's no hard and fast rule about it but since the mid 90s people generally only get asked to captain once.
America had a policy for a long time of ryder cup captain being a one time only deal , nicklaus being the exception but that was probably because it was being held at his home course, where we had jacklin and gallacher captain 7 times between them when we were justreally getting competitive
now we are moving towards the one time policy and the US who want to get back to winning it are happy to pick previous captains again with Watson this time and azinger being touted for 2 years time
It does a lack of options for the States, what other options do they have for captain?
It is not as if there are there, four or five people all vying for the role is it?
We are lucky that over here, we have actually got quite a few that we could chose between.
not sure if its a lack of options , more the way we approach things
would macginlay really have been an obvious choice based on his achievements as a golfer alone , don't get me wrong he was no mug but neither was he ever really a regular contender for the big events
what we have done well is groom captains with the way we pick the vice captains , we pick guys who could be potential future captains , as well as the older hands who can have their brains picked , so that gives us the pool of potential options you refer to
the US tend to have veterans who aren't really in the frame themselves as future captains , altho they did have steve stricker this year
We also seem to have far less ego's in terms of the captain''s and vice-captain's, look how many former captain's we had as vice-captain's in this Ryder Cup alone, could you imagine Tom Watson being a vice-captain next time??
It all just seems like they are more concerned about the here and now and each other as individuals, rather than trying to groom anyone for the future.
The American's need to look ast how they organise themselves or they will continue to get beat in the subsequent tournaments.
would macginlay really have been an obvious choice based on his achievements as a golfer alone , don't get me wrong he was no mug but neither was he ever really a regular contender for the big events
Sir Alex Ferguson did not exactly tear up trees (success wise anyway) as a player. Means nothing other than knowing how top level sports functions and having the ability of organising and inspiring others.
Sir Alex Ferguson did not exactly tear up trees (success wise anyway) as a player. Means nothing other than knowing how top level sports functions and having the ability of organising and inspiring others.
i agree , the context of that comment was based on a response that the US have few obvious candidates for captains and I was saying you didn't have to be a elite player to make a good captain
Well the green staff and all the hundreds of volunteers who put in 14 hour days over the week were quite annoyed that MnGinley didnt even give them a mention never mind a thank you unlike Tom Watson. The green staff over 30 senior staff from all over world not only don't get paid , they had to actually pay their own fares, flights etc plus pay £65 . So a thank you is just courtesy.
Well the green staff and all the hundreds of volunteers who put in 14 hour days over the week were quite annoyed that MnGinley didnt even give them a mention never mind a thank you unlike Tom Watson. The green staff over 30 senior staff from all over world not only don't get paid , they had to actually pay their own fares, flights etc plus pay £65 . So a thank you is just courtesy.
I didn't watch the closing ceremony but that is a surprise
its usual etiquette at every level of golf to thank the green staff etc in a "winner's speech"
I didn't watch the closing ceremony but that is a surprise
its usual etiquette at every level of golf to thank the green staff etc in a "winner's speech"
Scott Fenwick and his team spent years working on the course to get it ready and it was superb. Tom Watson mentioned him and the team. Poor show from McGinley. Just a personal gripe. Also a friend worked in hospitality 14 hours a day on the 9th , all voluntary along with hundreds of others.
It's between Clarke and Jiminez supposedly. Langer captained in 2004. There's no hard and fast rule about it but since the mid 90s people generally only get asked to captain once.
Didn't realise langer had already captained before.
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In those defeats, Watson was involved in 1, MIckelson in all of them!
Could it be that MIckelson's influence on the team far outweighs that of Tom Watson?
This togetherness thing is a smokescreen by the American press and players to try and cover up for their nation's shortcomings. When you consider that half of the European team play in America and the other half ply their trade worldwide on the European tour I fail to see how they can be more together than the yanks who play at the same venue week in week out ...
Were we more together when we were getting horsed every time before the mid eighties??
Assuming this goes like most sports, and UK team players decline to only 2 or 3, and starts being held in more places around Europe, will the Ryder Cup matter so much?
What about Langer? Does he not want it?
It's between Clarke and Jiminez supposedly. Langer captained in 2004. There's no hard and fast rule about it but since the mid 90s people generally only get asked to captain once.
Azinger not ruling himself out as captain again.
its quite funny in a way
America had a policy for a long time of ryder cup captain being a one time only deal , nicklaus being the exception but that was probably because it was being held at his home course, where we had jacklin and gallacher captain 7 times between them when we were justreally getting competitive
now we are moving towards the one time policy and the US who want to get back to winning it are happy to pick previous captains again with Watson this time and azinger being touted for 2 years time
It is not as if there are there, four or five people all vying for the role is it?
We are lucky that over here, we have actually got quite a few that we could chose between.
not sure if its a lack of options , more the way we approach things
would macginlay really have been an obvious choice based on his achievements as a golfer alone , don't get me wrong he was no mug but neither was he ever really a regular contender for the big events
what we have done well is groom captains with the way we pick the vice captains , we pick guys who could be potential future captains , as well as the older hands who can have their brains picked , so that gives us the pool of potential options you refer to
the US tend to have veterans who aren't really in the frame themselves as future captains , altho they did have steve stricker this year
It all just seems like they are more concerned about the here and now and each other as individuals, rather than trying to groom anyone for the future.
The American's need to look ast how they organise themselves or they will continue to get beat in the subsequent tournaments.
i agree , the context of that comment was based on a response that the US have few obvious candidates for captains and I was saying you didn't have to be a elite player to make a good captain
I didn't watch the closing ceremony but that is a surprise
its usual etiquette at every level of golf to thank the green staff etc in a "winner's speech"
Scott Fenwick and his team spent years working on the course to get it ready and it was superb. Tom Watson mentioned him and the team. Poor show from McGinley. Just a personal gripe. Also a friend worked in hospitality 14 hours a day on the 9th , all voluntary along with hundreds of others.
Didn't realise langer had already captained before.