Personally I could never understand that why, as a hard working taxpayer, I should help to fund this murdering scum's new identity. It amazes me the lengths our so called justice system goes to try and rehabilitate people like this when it's blatantly clear he showed no remorse for his crime and, if what's rumoured to be true, he wants people to know his real identity. People of this nature, and capable of further crimes despite being on licence, in my eyes don't deserve another chance as they will never appreciate the work being done by authorities. These people deserve to suffer a long and painful death, and balls to these human rights assholes who think this isn't an option. Did venables think of James Bulgers human rights when he took him from his family and tortured him? Did he ****. We have the right to be told where he is, who he is, and infringe his human rights to the point of extinction.
Well, they're the ones that are caught again within 12 months, anyway.
Your 71% is based on offenders who were adults when they first committed a crime and then reoffended yes?
'Following the Bulger enquiry the organisation Justice produced a report, Children and homicide: appropriate procedures for juveniles in murder and homicide cases, in 1996 which received insufficient attention at the time. This argued that children should be treated differently from adults because they are developing and have a greater chance of improving their adjustment. Indeed, the limited evidence supports this. A study by Strehlow et al in the 1980s followed up 15 out of 45 adolescents who had attempted or committed murder. They found that for 8 out of the 10 no longer in custody, social adjustment, after an average of 7.5 years after the offence, was good.'
As we are talking about the chances of children re offending here, are your figures really relevant? I would say that 8 out of 10 kids not going on to reoffend was pretty damn good don't you think?
When do parents get punished for the crimes of their offspring?
I wonder where the law stands when it comes people with untrained dogs that go on to attack some of these small kids...I've a feeling the owners get prosecuted. Shame parents don't really.
I wouldn't be that surprised to hear he'd committed suicide any day now.....Then I'd believe he was reformed.
Exactly. How can anyone really reform & then live with themselves after committing such horrific acts? If the stories about his mental deterioration are true then perhaps Venables is showing the exact reaction that would be expected off someone who had truly acknowledged their actions.
Your 71% is based on offenders who were adults when they first committed a crime and then reoffended yes?
'Following the Bulger enquiry the organisation Justice produced a report, Children and homicide: appropriate procedures for juveniles in murder and homicide cases, in 1996 which received insufficient attention at the time. This argued that children should be treated differently from adults because they are developing and have a greater chance of improving their adjustment. Indeed, the limited evidence supports this. A study by Strehlow et al in the 1980s followed up 15 out of 45 adolescents who had attempted or committed murder. They found that for 8 out of the 10 no longer in custody, social adjustment, after an average of 7.5 years after the offence, was good.'
As we are talking about the chances of children re offending here, are your figures really relevant? I would say that 8 out of 10 kids not going on to reoffend was pretty damn good don't you think?
That's about the same as cats preferring Whiskas :eek: Who knew
Personally I could never understand that why, as a hard working taxpayer, I should help to fund this murdering scum's new identity. It amazes me the lengths our so called justice system goes to try and rehabilitate people like this when it's blatantly clear he showed no remorse for his crime and, if what's rumoured to be true, he wants people to know his real identity. People of this nature, and capable of further crimes despite being on licence, in my eyes don't deserve another chance as they will never appreciate the work being done by authorities. These people deserve to suffer a long and painful death, and balls to these human rights assholes who think this isn't an option. Did venables think of James Bulgers human rights when he took him from his family and tortured him? Did he ****. We have the right to be told where he is, who he is, and infringe his human rights to the point of extinction.
I wonder where the law stands when it comes people with untrained dogs that go on to attack some of these small kids...I've a feeling the owners get prosecuted. Shame parents don't really.
What if happened to ur kid? Would u still have the same opinion about the so called lynch mob mentality then? I think not.
No, almost certainly not. But the fact is, it wasn't my child. I wasn't involved in any way, and I presume you weren't either. So I am taking an objective and dispassionate view.
Right now, as I type this, BBC News are showing footage of people attacking the escort vehicles. People who were not involved, people who would have beaten two 10 year olds to death if they could have.
Nah... no one wishing anyone dead here... "I'll believe he's reformed as long as he has the decency to kill himself"... oh no challenge there then :rolleyes:
FB has shocked me tbh...I really thought in 2010 the majority of us had more civilised thoughts...sadly my thoughts have been proved wrong
Lot's of repulsive stuff there. What surprises me more is that there is not (that I have seen) a 40 page thread on here about the "Facebook Murderer" news story that has knocked JV off the front pages today.
We're not, of course, because that suits the authorities.
Remember, a combined total of 71.5% of all convicted criminals who receive a custodial sentence reoffend within a year in the UK.
So over 7 out of 10 prisoners who are released WILL commit a further crime(s) within 12 months of being released.
Not good.
Can you give a source for your figure, as it doesn't add up.
In 2006, a comparatively low 39% of adults who were released from prison or given non-custodial sentences reoffended at least once within the first year.
19,000 re-offences were theft, 12,000 were motoring offences, 8000 were for non-serious violence, 8000 were absconding offences, 6000 were public order offences and 2000 were for breaching an ASBO.
1. If he has commited a sex crime, he wouuldnt necessarily be charged straight away. He would be put on bail while investigations continue.
2. Surely if JV simply admits he comited the crime (which under overwhelming evidence could be posssible), that would mean there would be no trial, no jury and the outcome would be simply a judge sentencing - that would be fair right?
3. Whatever happened to Mary Bell? Where is she now?
1. If he has commited a sex crime, he wouuldnt necessarily be charged straight away. He would be put on bail while investigations continue.
2. Surely if JV simply admits he comited the crime (which under overwhelming evidence could be posssible), that would mean there would be no trial, no jury and the outcome would be simply a judge sentencing - that would be fair right?
3. Whatever happened to Mary Bell? Where is she now?
Mary Bell is a grandmother. What happened to Robert Thompson?
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Your 71% is based on offenders who were adults when they first committed a crime and then reoffended yes?
'Following the Bulger enquiry the organisation Justice produced a report, Children and homicide: appropriate procedures for juveniles in murder and homicide cases, in 1996 which received insufficient attention at the time. This argued that children should be treated differently from adults because they are developing and have a greater chance of improving their adjustment. Indeed, the limited evidence supports this. A study by Strehlow et al in the 1980s followed up 15 out of 45 adolescents who had attempted or committed murder. They found that for 8 out of the 10 no longer in custody, social adjustment, after an average of 7.5 years after the offence, was good.'
As we are talking about the chances of children re offending here, are your figures really relevant? I would say that 8 out of 10 kids not going on to reoffend was pretty damn good don't you think?
I wonder where the law stands when it comes people with untrained dogs that go on to attack some of these small kids...I've a feeling the owners get prosecuted. Shame parents don't really.
Exactly. How can anyone really reform & then live with themselves after committing such horrific acts? If the stories about his mental deterioration are true then perhaps Venables is showing the exact reaction that would be expected off someone who had truly acknowledged their actions.
That's about the same as cats preferring Whiskas :eek: Who knew
Yep, no lynch mob mentality around here.
ASL?
It's not FB so quite safe :cool:
Assume the position lol. This forum really needs a :spankbottom: emot lol
I'm glad a few other have pointed this out.
The parents hould have went down too.
Hello. Do you know Jodie?
No, almost certainly not. But the fact is, it wasn't my child. I wasn't involved in any way, and I presume you weren't either. So I am taking an objective and dispassionate view.
Right now, as I type this, BBC News are showing footage of people attacking the escort vehicles. People who were not involved, people who would have beaten two 10 year olds to death if they could have.
Some people would do the same now.
took a look there myself.
FB has shocked me tbh...I really thought in 2010 the majority of us had more civilised thoughts...sadly my thoughts have been proved wrong
Nah... no one wishing anyone dead here... "I'll believe he's reformed as long as he has the decency to kill himself"... oh no challenge there then :rolleyes:
Fortunately no
Lot's of repulsive stuff there. What surprises me more is that there is not (that I have seen) a 40 page thread on here about the "Facebook Murderer" news story that has knocked JV off the front pages today.
Can you give a source for your figure, as it doesn't add up.
In 2006, a comparatively low 39% of adults who were released from prison or given non-custodial sentences reoffended at least once within the first year.
19,000 re-offences were theft, 12,000 were motoring offences, 8000 were for non-serious violence, 8000 were absconding offences, 6000 were public order offences and 2000 were for breaching an ASBO.
http://www.justice.gov.uk/about/docs/re-offending-adults-2006.pdf
I already have. Twice, in fact.
And, my figures were for people who re-offended after being released from prison - ie, those who commit the most serious crimes.
He appeared to be saying yesterday, that he didnt want to jeopardise a prosecution.
And indeed, its possible what you say is true.
I think patience is the key for those of us who really want to know. I am fairly certain that eventually it will all come out.
The media will make sure of it ...
Which is interesting, as they gave their word that they would not do so.
1. If he has commited a sex crime, he wouuldnt necessarily be charged straight away. He would be put on bail while investigations continue.
2. Surely if JV simply admits he comited the crime (which under overwhelming evidence could be posssible), that would mean there would be no trial, no jury and the outcome would be simply a judge sentencing - that would be fair right?
3. Whatever happened to Mary Bell? Where is she now?
Mary Bell is a grandmother. What happened to Robert Thompson?
He's just getting on with his life, presumably keeping out of trouble.