Overseas Games Back On?

Mark FMark F Posts: 53,991
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Years after the "39th" game idea was rejected the issue of having a game or two abroad has come up again.

Of course its all about the money and little thought for the fans here but surely this will happen at some point?

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/oct/07/premier-league-38th-game-overseas-fixtures
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  • celesticelesti Posts: 26,001
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    Even as a match that doesn't add an artificial extra game it's horrible. Congratulations on buying a season ticket and helping your club, as a reward we're taking a game away from you and giving it to Japan!
  • batdude_uk1batdude_uk1 Posts: 78,722
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    celesti wrote: »
    Even as a match that doesn't add an artificial extra game it's horrible. Congratulations on buying a season ticket and helping your club, as a reward we're taking a game away from you and giving it to Japan!

    That must be how NFL fans feel, just replace "Japan" with "London" or "England"!

    It just all about the money, with no thought about anything else.
  • f_196f_196 Posts: 11,829
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    Over my f*king dead body.
  • Jim De VilleJim De Ville Posts: 16,121
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    I can't see this happening with a full round of fixtures. There just isn't the demand, as far as I know.

    I could see the odd game being played abroad, but if it's for the Premier League's benefit, then I'd expect it to feature United, Liverpool, Arsenal or Chelsea.
  • circlebro2019circlebro2019 Posts: 17,560
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    hope it never happens. even if it means the poor glory teams will have to miss out on extra £££
  • Jim De VilleJim De Ville Posts: 16,121
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    'Glory teams'? Like Swansea?
  • celesticelesti Posts: 26,001
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    That must be how NFL fans feel, just replace "Japan" with "London" or "England"!

    It just all about the money, with no thought about anything else.

    The added danger with the NFL is that they're also using it as fuel to the fire of taking most likely Jacksonville and making them a London franchise. That doesn't sound like something that could happen here, but with the 39th game bullshit I wouldn't put it past the suits to consider it.
  • MartenMarten Posts: 996
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    I can't see this happening with a full round of fixtures. There just isn't the demand, as far as I know.

    I could see the odd game being played abroad, but if it's for the Premier League's benefit, then I'd expect it to feature United, Liverpool, Arsenal or Chelsea.

    I think you're underestimating how big the PL is all over the world. Even a game like Hull v Swansea would attract good crowds if they are played somewhere in far east Asia for example.

    Obviously this is still a terrible idea though. If they want more games overseas then they can just play an extra cup tournament for example and play that where they want. That's pretty much already being done in pre-season, as long as they leave the existing competions alone...
  • Jim De VilleJim De Ville Posts: 16,121
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    Marten wrote: »
    I think you're underestimating how big the PL is all over the world. Even a game like Hull v Swansea would attract good crowds if they are played somewhere in far east Asia for example.

    Obviously this is still a terrible idea though. If they want more games overseas then they can just play an extra cup tournament for example and play that where they want. That's pretty much already being done in pre-season, as long as they leave the existing competions alone...

    Yes, perhaps you're right about the pull of the Premier League.

    I'd also hate to see this happening, but if you have Premier League club chairmen announcing that it's 'inevitable', then it's hard to see how it can be stopped, bar a mass boycott of games played in this country.
  • walterwhitewalterwhite Posts: 56,907
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    celesti wrote: »
    The added danger with the NFL is that they're also using it as fuel to the fire of taking most likely Jacksonville and making them a London franchise. That doesn't sound like something that could happen here, but with the 39th game bullshit I wouldn't put it past the suits to consider it.

    To be fair i'm not sure there is a PL equivalent of Jacksonville. None of them are that bad.
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    Dont the Epl get enough monies currently and probably more in the future from selling their rights, do the up and coming wannabe`s require more than the current crop of millionaire football players that grace these shores, strange that abroad you can watch 98% of all EPL games but not in the UK.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6JAJVAGC9M
  • walterwhitewalterwhite Posts: 56,907
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    swampdog2 wrote: »
    Dont the Epl get enough monies currently and probably more in the future from selling their rights, do the up and coming wannabe`s require more than the current crop of millionaire football players that grace these shores, strange that abroad you can watch 98% of all EPL games but not in the UK.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6JAJVAGC9M

    Oh dear.
  • Phoenix04Phoenix04 Posts: 971
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    To be fair i'm not sure there is a PL equivalent of Jacksonville. None of them are that bad.

    QPR come to mind, maybe they could move to Florida :D
  • walterwhitewalterwhite Posts: 56,907
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    Phoenix04 wrote: »
    QPR come to mind, maybe they could move to Florida :D

    No, they're not nearly bad enough. Jacksonville are like the Keystone Cops.
  • leicslad46leicslad46 Posts: 3,370
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    I dont like the idea of a fixture being played overseas. The FA have got total contempt for the supporters and will go ahead with it anyway no matter how badly it will go down with the fans. Will there be a reduction in the season ticket to take into account the lost fixture
  • kingjeremykingjeremy Posts: 9,077
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    What have The FA got to do with it?

    It's a shit idea, hopefully it never sees the light of day.
  • f_196f_196 Posts: 11,829
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    Imagine as a season ticket holder being told you can't go watch Man United vs Arsenal or Liverpool vs Chelsea because that fixture has been nominated to be played abroad.

    It's absolute nonsense and utter contempt for the supporters.

    Football - pissing on it's roots since 1992.
  • tennismantennisman Posts: 4,483
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    f_196 wrote: »
    Imagine as a season ticket holder being told you can't go watch Man United vs Arsenal or Liverpool vs Chelsea because that fixture has been nominated to be played abroad.

    It's absolute nonsense and utter contempt for the supporters.

    Football - pissing on it's roots since 1992.

    I don't think those in charge of the league or the clubs really get this at all.

    If they do, they all close ranks like in cabinet government and few if any would speak out individually against it.

    I find it so irritating when, as we've had today', they all start saying, 'it's inevitable' as if they have no say in the matter.

    Wonder if the powers that be in Germany with their more domestic fan oriented and social policy driven agenda do this? Buyern v Padeborn in Kuala Lumpa?

    Thing is that although bit by bit, the top level is shifting away from its' roots, the business model which drives the game now will not be able to resist catering to the overseas fan in priority over the domestic fan as in the case of the top 6-8 clubs, they probably have more fans in places like China and the US than they do at home either around their location of across the UK.

    Unlike the Bundesliga which has an over-riding policy based on being part of community social integration and socialisation of its' younger fans as an integral part of it's modus operandi, our clubs and Scudamore will just take the money and book the flights.

    Increasingly, I can't stomach the Premier League and everything that goes with it, especially all the media hype, 'Best League in the World' claims and those that talk about how competitive it is, when we can pretty much tell what the league table will be at the end of the season even before it starts at the beginning.

    I now look forward to the Bundesliga highlights how on ITV4 every Monday and follow lower division football ( I go past Oldham's ground every day) non league (the club I used to play for, Burgess Hill Town are top of Ryman 1 South).

    She may mix up her English but I'd rather listen to Isabella Reinhardt-Muller than Gary Lineker any day of the week, although he's become more bearable since he started to cut out all his excrutiating little jokes and asides.

    See you in Jakarta Gary!
  • leicslad46leicslad46 Posts: 3,370
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    kingjeremy wrote: »
    What have The FA got to do with it?

    It's a shit idea, hopefully it never sees the light of day.
    If you look at the origins of the premier league it is run by the FA.

    Football is a business nowadays and the clubs are only in it for the money. A few disgruntled fans is hardly going to get this ridiculous idea kicked into the long grass.
  • Jamesp84Jamesp84 Posts: 31,223
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    It's nothing whatsoever to do with the FA.
  • Rodney McKayRodney McKay Posts: 8,143
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    I think it makes sense, especially for the top clubs, with the fair play rules now clubs need to find ways to maximise revenue.

    You can bet Barcelona and Real Madrid would be looking at doing a competitive match in the USA and as they already have their own TV deals it would give them even more cash.

    The EPL should also look at playing a game in China
  • Cissy FairfaxCissy Fairfax Posts: 11,818
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    Like any of these initiatives, even the silly ones, I applaud the authorities for looking to evolve and leaking it out to the media for opinion to be gauged, before confirming anything.

    So long as they now disregard it for the daft idea that it is, then no harm done.

    If they absolutely have to persist with an overseas league match, then the 39th match was actually a better idea than it being one of the 38 games, as at least you play everyone home and away, but neither are worth pursuing.
  • sodavlacsodavlac Posts: 10,607
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    Not only is it crap for supporters, it's crap for the balance of the league. How can it be right that some teams will get 19 home fixtures, 18 away and 1 in a neutral venue then others get 18 home fixtures, 19 away and 1 and a neutral venue?

    Furthermore, whoever a team got selected to play in this game would see some teams have an advantage over others. If a relegation threatened team end up not having to visit Stamford Bridge, but play Chelsea in a neutral venue then it's probably not going to change much, they'll likely get beat anyway. If on the same weekend another relegation threatened team has their home game against a mid-table club moved and is denied the chance to play them on their own patch at all that season where they might fancy themselves to get a win I don't see how that's fair at all.
  • big macbig mac Posts: 4,583
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    f_196 wrote: »

    Football - pissing on it's roots since 1992.

    There's Sky Sports' new tagline!
  • BoselectaBoselecta Posts: 1,640
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    Funny how its a blank weekend for domestic top flight football and the voracious sports media needs to fill a gaping hole in its content and, out of nowhere, "39th game" rears its head??? You'd be forgiven for thinking someone in football has been "encouraged" to float the idea again by their journo croneys......
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