In light of recent developements, what should I tell my immigrant friend?

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  • BrokenArrowBrokenArrow Posts: 21,665
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    Really? Who cleans the streets, empties bins, serves in MacDonalds, etc. all vital jobs but not skilled.

    Unskilled people of which we have surplus, we don't need to import more.

    ...and we don't need McDonalds at all, its not vital.
  • smudges dadsmudges dad Posts: 36,989
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    platelet wrote: »
    You really believe we need to import people to fulfill these roles?

    Oh and serving in MacDonalds is vital? :o

    Broken Arrow said people, not immigrants
  • BrokenArrowBrokenArrow Posts: 21,665
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    Broken Arrow said people, not immigrants

    If you can't read a thread title and interpret a context, then just don't post a comment
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 0
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    Ennerjee wrote: »
    And that's the reason why most people voted UKIP. Unfortunately, your detractors on here cannot divorce uncontrolled immigration from controlled immigration.

    Unfortunately, neither of you can read plain English. The user smudges dad said "a few racist nut jobs and the 10% of the electorate who voted UKIP". He did not say that the 10% of the electorate who voted UKIP were racist.

    If people insist that migration is all about the numbers - and they do, frequently, on this forum - then it does not matter how talented someone is. If "this country is full", as they never tire of saying, then it is full. So which is it?
    Perhaps they just short-circuit to the word "racist" when the read posts such as yours.

    Except that smudges dad's comment was a response to the OP, not to the person to whom you responded.
    They don't seem to be able to work out that freedom of movement for EU citizens and not for non-EU citizens might be construed as racism in itself.

    It's a multilateral reciprocal agreement between sovereign states. There's nothing racist about it, since it makes no statement about the ethnicity or country of origin of those who hold passports from any EU state.
    I'm beginning to believe it's a medical condition.

    I wonder if there's a medical condition that covers knee-jerk reactions due to chronically poor comprehension of the written form of their own mother tongue?
  • lemoncurdlemoncurd Posts: 57,778
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    An ex-classmate of mine has recently been offered a position in London by King's College, London in the biological sciences department. He is of Asian origin, spent quite a number of years in the US and has recently completed his PhD at Stanford. His thesis was on designing molecular beacons and detection systems, he explained it to me briefly but it just went over my head.

    The offer from King's is among one of many, he also has a few offers from US universities. He is keen to take up the appointment at King's but has asked me for my advice on living in the UK.

    Should I dissuade him from coming over here and stay in the USA instead, in light of the anti immigrant sentiment that I am reading about in the UK? Obviously he is also going to be adding to the overall population here in our little island.

    Anyway, what do you think?

    We don't need no stinkin' Asian molecular beacons in this country! We're supposed to be stamping down on immigration! Farage wouldn't stand for this sort of thing....
  • NosediveNosedive Posts: 6,600
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    Tell him to take the position at King's College. This country needs people of that calibre.

    Quite. People of this calibre always tend to get headhunted or 'put forward' for positions in top companies anyway.

    I'm a Ukip voter by the way.
  • 3Sheets2TheWind3Sheets2TheWind Posts: 3,028
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    An ex-classmate of mine has recently been offered a position in London by King's College, London in the biological sciences department. He is of Asian origin, spent quite a number of years in the US and has recently completed his PhD at Stanford. His thesis was on designing molecular beacons and detection systems, he explained it to me briefly but it just went over my head.

    The offer from King's is among one of many, he also has a few offers from US universities. He is keen to take up the appointment at King's but has asked me for my advice on living in the UK.

    Should I dissuade him from coming over here and stay in the USA instead, in light of the anti immigrant sentiment that I am reading about in the UK? Obviously he is also going to be adding to the overall population here in our little island.

    Anyway, what do you think?

    He sounds like one of the "brightest and the best" that the politicians are always saying our immigration policies are designed for.

    I don't have an issue with this guy and people like him as long as he can afford private education for any children he wants to bring along with him.
    Tell him that apart from a few racist nut jobs and the 10% of the electorate who voted UKIP, he will be made very welcome in this country.

    I'm one of the 10% and I don't have an issue with this guy or people like him. I'm not against immigration, I'm against badly managed immigration.
  • EnnerjeeEnnerjee Posts: 5,131
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    mithy73 wrote: »
    Unfortunately, neither of you can read plain English. The user smudges dad said "a few racist nut jobs and the 10% of the electorate who voted UKIP". He did not say that the 10% of the electorate who voted UKIP were racist.

    It must be quite difficult to be so rude.

    Smudge's Dad implied that "the 10% of the electorate who voted UKIP" would not welcome the OP's friend. That isn't true.
    mithy73 wrote: »
    If people insist that migration is all about the numbers - and they do, frequently, on this forum - then it does not matter how talented someone is. If "this country is full", as they never tire of saying, then it is full. So which is it?

    You know as well as anyone that immigration is a big issue in the UK and the debate is about how sustainable freedom of movement of labour from the EU is. The current government is controlling numbers by limiting external EU immigration, which is, in my view counterproductive as it essentially means that a lot of skilled workers whom the UK might need are put off and made to feel unwelcome in favour of anyone with or without skills from the EU. As many other posters on this thread have overwhelmingly stated, I welcome skilled and especially highly-skilled immigration.

    mithy73 wrote: »
    It's a multilateral reciprocal agreement between sovereign states. There's nothing racist about it, since it makes no statement about the ethnicity or country of origin of those who hold passports from any EU state.

    Only that the majority of EU citizens are white.

    mithy73 wrote: »
    I wonder if there's a medical condition that covers knee-jerk reactions due to chronically poor comprehension of the written form of their own mother tongue?

    I don't know, but there's probably a medical condition that is applicable to someone as vitriolic as you.
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 0
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    Ennerjee wrote: »
    It must be quite difficult to be so rude.

    You should know, talking about people who disagree with you as if they're afflicted. You've clearly had a great deal of practice at it.
    Smudge's Dad implied that "the 10% of the electorate who voted UKIP" would not welcome the OP's friend. That isn't true.

    Perhaps it's not true of all of them, but he didn't call them racist, despite your claims to the contrary. You went off on a tirade essentially accusing your opponents of resorting to the word "racist", which wasn't true in this case.
    You know as well as anyone that immigration is a big issue in the UK and the debate is about how sustainable freedom of movement of labour from the EU is.

    Actually, this thread is about how welcome an Asian migrant with specialised skills would be in London. You want to make it about something else, and further you want to pre-emptively accuse people of slander who disagree with you. That's your affair, but don't blame them when you get called on it.

    So, my good and dear friend, when it comes to rudeness, you are in no position to take the moral high ground.
    The current government is controlling numbers by limiting external EU immigration, which is, in my view counterproductive...

    ...but not the topic of this thread.
    Only that the majority of EU citizens are white.

    That's geography and demographics for you. Non-whites who hold EU passports have the same rights as whites with EU passports. Your suggestion that our reciprocal agreements amount to a racist policy is ridiculous.
    I don't know, but there's probably a medical condition that is applicable to someone as vitriolic as you.

    I merely reflect what is transmitted. With rather more flair, of course. :p
  • FrankieFixerFrankieFixer Posts: 11,530
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    An ex-classmate of mine has recently been offered a position in London by King's College, London in the biological sciences department. He is of Asian origin, spent quite a number of years in the US and has recently completed his PhD at Stanford. His thesis was on designing molecular beacons and detection systems, he explained it to me briefly but it just went over my head.

    The offer from King's is among one of many, he also has a few offers from US universities. He is keen to take up the appointment at King's but has asked me for my advice on living in the UK.

    Should I dissuade him from coming over here and stay in the USA instead, in light of the anti immigrant sentiment that I am reading about in the UK? Obviously he is also going to be adding to the overall population here in our little island.

    Anyway, what do you think?

    The cost of living is more expensive in London so I'd stay in the US if I were him.
  • gemma-the-huskygemma-the-husky Posts: 18,116
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    We need high skilled people.

    We don't need unskilled people.

    To tell the truth this is a terrible calumny perpetrated on the british, and i believe on americans as well.

    We do not NEED any immigrants at all. Skilled or unskilled. We are perfectly capable of doing everything without immigration.

    If a country of 60m people cannot do things for itself, it really is a sorry tale.
  • EnnerjeeEnnerjee Posts: 5,131
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    To tell the truth this is a terrible calumny perpetrated on the british, and i believe on americans as well.

    We do not NEED any immigrants at all. Skilled or unskilled. We are perfectly capable of doing everything without immigration.

    If a country of 60m people cannot do things for itself, it really is a sorry tale.

    It seems a logical argument to me too, though it'd be pretty dull without any immigrant workers. There are reasons to have some who have the skills we don't and some races are naturally better skilled in specific areas than other races (Vietnamese nail technicians,Turkish barbers, Polish rulers etc.)

    The UK has about 65 million people, but since the early 1970s successive governments have put low emphasis on skills and education resulting in neccessary immigration of properly trained workers
  • MagnamundianMagnamundian Posts: 2,359
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    He is exactly the sort of person UKIP would (in theory) welcome.

    In fact they would likely point out that we could have more educated people of asian origin under a UKIP government.
  • bspacebspace Posts: 14,303
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    Ennerjee wrote: »
    It seems a logical argument to me too, though it'd be pretty dull without any immigrant workers. There are reasons to have some who have the skills we don't and some races are naturally better skilled in specific areas than other races (Vietnamese nail technicians,Turkish barbers, Polish rulers etc.)

    The UK has about 65 million people, but since the early 1970s successive governments have put low emphasis on skills and education resulting in neccessary immigration of properly trained workers

    The Polish are exceptionaly good at measuring things? Who'd have thunk it.
  • MariesamMariesam Posts: 3,797
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    jmclaugh wrote: »
    Imo the anti-immigration sentiment here relates to the numbers involved and the fact the vast majority of them are low skilled workers, it is not about individuals or those with skills needed here.

    agree!.... There were too many to quickly and how that put so much pressure on our public services and housing.....I think so would be happier if the length of time when they come in before they receive...nhs(they should have to take our private healthcare insurance) and benefits should be increased until they have worked and contributed to society for a longer period.....it is ultimately about fairness.....
  • EnnerjeeEnnerjee Posts: 5,131
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    He is exactly the sort of person UKIP would (in theory) welcome.

    In fact they would likely point out that we could have more educated people of asian origin under a UKIP government.

    As opposed, and in preference to, an unlimited number of unskilled people from the EU.
  • EnnerjeeEnnerjee Posts: 5,131
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    bspace wrote: »
    The Polish are exceptionaly good at measuring things? Who'd have thunk it.

    Sorry, that should have read "tilers", though I guess a Polish monarch might do well at ruling the realm.
  • BillyJamesTBillyJamesT Posts: 2,934
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    An ex-classmate of mine has recently been offered a position in London by King's College, London in the biological sciences department. He is of Asian origin, spent quite a number of years in the US and has recently completed his PhD at Stanford. His thesis was on designing molecular beacons and detection systems, he explained it to me briefly but it just went over my head.

    The offer from King's is among one of many, he also has a few offers from US universities. He is keen to take up the appointment at King's but has asked me for my advice on living in the UK.

    Should I dissuade him from coming over here and stay in the USA instead, in light of the anti immigrant sentiment that I am reading about in the UK? Obviously he is also going to be adding to the overall population here in our little island.

    Anyway, what do you think?

    Invite him over and ask him to marry you, ;-)
  • flagpoleflagpole Posts: 44,641
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    London is one of the, if not the, most multicultural cities in the world.

    it would be a travesty if your poor judgement prevented him from coming here.
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