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Grubby Bauer at it again.

chemical2009bchemical2009b Posts: 5,250
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When I say they're at it again what I mean is that they've now centralised their Scottish FM playlists with the exception of MFR and Radio Borders, I like to compare and contrast the individual playlists :mad:

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    BMRBMR Posts: 4,351
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    I wonder why those two stations have been chose for exemption?
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    Mapperley RidgeMapperley Ridge Posts: 9,922
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    And this surprises you because...?

    Or, to ask a realistic question, how many ordinary listeners to Clyde, Forth, Tay, Northsound or Westsound will either realise or care?
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    Ramsay LaddersRamsay Ladders Posts: 3,017
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    Yayyy!!! Now everyone in Scotland can listen to the same old overexposed tripe at the same time. A nation rejoices:rolleyes:

    I have to listen to one of these stations at work and frankly am glad I don't work with sharp objects, it's pretty awful but the masses lap it up. Bizarre.
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    michael1152michael1152 Posts: 1,974
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    Yes, it was only too long till the Scottish stations started having a central playlist, just like the Bauer place stations in England. I do wonder thought why MFR and Borders have been kept out though? And if they'll be any merging of stations in the near future like Metro and the "all new" TFM!!!
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    Black LabelBlack Label Posts: 4,733
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    BMR wrote: »
    I wonder why those two stations have been chose for exemption?

    Because they are both full service ILRs aimed at the broad populations, unlike the others which are all CHR FMers with an AM counterpart.

    The move makes sense. The days of these stations needing individual nuances to reflect local music tastes and talent. In the age of Rhianna and Calvin, no one will notice or care. Why bother with all that extra work?
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    beermolebeermole Posts: 21
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    What about the Top 30 shows at 12:00 on Saturday? They are all presented by Mark Martin but they are variously described as playing the biggest songs of the week for "Glasgow and the West", "Edinburgh and the Lothians" etc. Are the playlists different, is it a pretence that they are local charts or is it actually a Scotland wide programme?
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    Ramsay LaddersRamsay Ladders Posts: 3,017
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    beermole wrote: »
    What about the Top 30 shows at 12:00 on Saturday? They are all presented by Mark Martin but they are variously described as playing the biggest songs of the week for "Glasgow and the West", "Edinburgh and the Lothians" etc. Are the playlists different, is it a pretence that they are local charts or is it actually a Scotland wide programme?

    That show certainly isn't on Northsound 1 anyway.
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    Black LabelBlack Label Posts: 4,733
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    beermole wrote: »
    Are the playlists different, is it a pretence that they are local charts or is it actually a Scotland wide programme?

    These charts are........and have always been......a fallacy. In the days of the Scottish Top 40 of old, it was literally a case of the head of music at Clyde sitting writing out the chart as he pleased on a Friday afternoon after his lunch.

    I would hazzard a guess that most of these local charts are/were done the same way. Actually gathering sales data is a time consuming and costly excercise that would not gain a single listener.

    Years ago I once challengeed Gary Burgess (then PC at then QFM) about this and he told me that it was done 'with a touch of casual empiricism'. I liked that phrase.
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    wns_195wns_195 Posts: 13,568
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    Talking of shared playlists, this morning after 10 AM, Radio Aire and Viking FM played two songs at almost exactly the same time, then in the middle of the second one, which was that Chris Brown yeah song, Radio Aire suddenly switched to Complicated by Avril Lavigne.
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    MSBMSB Posts: 1,408
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    Pretty measured by Bauer's standards, could've just wholesale merged West Sound into Clyde.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 416
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    Where did you hear this? Looking at compare my radio it says "Forth One shares 78% of it's playlist with Clyde 1" so they couldn't have merged?
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    david16david16 Posts: 14,821
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    I can't see centralised news and sports bulletins airing across the entire AM network any time soon.

    You won't suddenly be hearing Hugh Keevins from the Radio Clyde studios in Clydebank on the 12.30pm sport bulletin on MFR in Inverness ever.
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    david16david16 Posts: 14,821
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    Just like the different areas have different tastes, AM attracts a different audience to FM.

    So Bauer can't simply merge the AM and FM network and close the AM station downs, and then merge all the FM stations together.

    The audiences would be up in arms if there was just one scottish studios (presumably the current clyde 1 studio plus the Radio Clyde news desk) airing mainly top 40's and 1990's and 2000's material, with a few classic hits squeezed in plus a couple of specialist shows such as disco, country and western or the 60's show at the weekend to make up for the AM networks closed down. That would be completely unacceptable.
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    hanssolohanssolo Posts: 22,670
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    david16 wrote: »
    Just like the different areas have different tastes, AM attracts a different audience to FM.

    So Bauer can't simply merge the AM and FM network and close the AM station downs, and then merge all the FM stations together.

    The audiences would be up in arms if there was just one scottish studios (presumably the current clyde 1 studio plus the Radio Clyde news desk) airing mainly top 40's and 1990's and 2000's material, with a few classic hits squeezed in plus a couple of specialist shows such as disco, country and western or the 60's show at the weekend to make up for the AM networks closed down. That would be completely unacceptable.
    They could be starting to move the AM stations towards joining the Magic brand, keeping local AM and stereo DAB optouts, eventually closing mono AM? http://www.bauermedia.co.uk/brands/magic
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    FM_BanditFM_Bandit Posts: 2,650
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    david16 wrote: »
    Just like the different areas have different tastes, AM attracts a different audience to FM.

    So Bauer can't simply merge the AM and FM network and close the AM station downs, and then merge all the FM stations together.

    The audiences would be up in arms if there was just one scottish studios (presumably the current clyde 1 studio plus the Radio Clyde news desk) airing mainly top 40's and 1990's and 2000's material, with a few classic hits squeezed in plus a couple of specialist shows such as disco, country and western or the 60's show at the weekend to make up for the AM networks closed down. That would be completely unacceptable.

    LOL, no one suggested anything of the sort!
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    hanssolohanssolo Posts: 22,670
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    Kierankay wrote: »
    Where did you hear this? Looking at compare my radio it says "Forth One shares 78% of it's playlist with Clyde 1" so they couldn't have merged?
    Under new regulations, networking rules have now been relaxed as stations have lost advertising revenue, after a report by John Myers in 2009 perhaps the Scottish FM stations are starting to take advantage of the rule changes off peak?
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    david16david16 Posts: 14,821
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    Because they are both full service ILRs aimed at the broad populations, unlike the others which are all CHR FMers with an AM counterpart.

    The move makes sense. The days of these stations needing individual nuances to reflect local music tastes and talent. In the age of Rhianna and Calvin, no one will notice or care. Why bother with all that extra work?

    They will care in the Max Am area if there is suddenly a chance they may lose the Dick Barrie or Graham Jackson show to a network show from Clydebank. They give important local club news relevant to the music they play.

    Radio Borders gives important local community news i.e. Borders Action, as well as daily farming news and the vet corner.

    These areas cannot afford to lose their local shows to networking. It would be a big blow particularly to the borders if it were to happen. But Bauer it seems in Scotland anyway still see the value of local programming. Or at least know how important it is to the listeners so they will not just suddenly merge stations together and then close some stations down.
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    david16david16 Posts: 14,821
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    hanssolo wrote: »
    They could be starting to move the AM stations towards joining the Magic brand, keeping local AM and stereo DAB optouts, eventually closing mono AM? http://www.bauermedia.co.uk/brands/magic

    The audiences would be up in arms if there was any possibility of Magic 1152 (Glasgow) or Magic 1548 (Edinburgh) as they know the likelihood of eventually seeing their AM starion disappear would be very high.
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    david16david16 Posts: 14,821
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    FM_Bandit wrote: »
    LOL, no one suggested anything of the sort!

    It is a genuine fear that many people have even if nothing of the sort actually happens

    But the listeners will not do nothing to stop it happening if it is Bauer`s intention to do so.

    But Bauer have not snapped.
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    wirewolfwirewolf Posts: 805
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    david16 wrote: »
    The audiences would be up in arms if there was any possibility of Magic 1152 (Glasgow) or Magic 1548 (Edinburgh) as they know the likelihood of eventually seeing their AM starion disappear would be very high.

    Why? Magic replaced the AM stations in Northern England 15 years ago and they haven't disappeared. And those AM stations in Scotland you mention already share a large proportion of the output already - on weekdays they only have a local breakfast show.
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    Mapperley RidgeMapperley Ridge Posts: 9,922
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    If they can merge two well known and much loved stations in the North East - on FM - they can do the same with AM in Scotland.
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    MSBMSB Posts: 1,408
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    david16 wrote: »
    The audiences would be up in arms if there was any possibility of Magic 1152 (Glasgow) or Magic 1548 (Edinburgh) as they know the likelihood of eventually seeing their AM starion disappear would be very high.

    The Bauer Scotland AM'ers began networking two years ago, where have you been?!

    One more step to Magic Scotland.
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    Harris TweedHarris Tweed Posts: 1,613
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    Sure... Glasgow's different to Dundee.

    So are London and Swindon or Nottingham and Kent. All of them share AM stations now.

    The main thing in favour of the Scots AMers is that they're still pulling in decent audiences (at least in percentage terms). Most of the English ones were already down in the low single figures reach before being killed.. so there wasn't much to lose.
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    omnidirectionalomnidirectional Posts: 18,822
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    Kierankay wrote: »
    Where did you hear this? Looking at compare my radio it says "Forth One shares 78% of it's playlist with Clyde 1" so they couldn't have merged?

    That's over the last (30?) days, if the playlist sharing only started yesterday it will take a month for the results to adjust.
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