No I did not have meetings with her before I married my first wife.
With as much respect as I can muster to my first wife, had I met the woman that I'm married to now before I knew my ex-wife, I'd have walked barefoot on broken glass to be with her, and stay with her.
Nothing comes close to her, I've not looked at another woman since we've been together.
Not bad for someone with French blood.
But that is not the same as having a relationship with the person for years before marrying someone else (not sure if his mistress was already married at the time), then continuing with the relationship through the marriage before finally divorcing.
I can recall her brother trapping off about what he was going to do and since then he has done nothing, ....
We don't really know how much the Spencers were allowed to influence the two children as they grew up. They seem to have good relations with the cousins on that side of the family so I suspect they had plenty of contact but away from the press.
I think the media played a huge part in the events of that week. Diana dying tragically was obviously a significant event, but they went into maximum overdrive in their coverage of it. It was a tabloid editor's dream, the worlds of celebrity and royalty mixed together with an unexpected tragedy befalling a famous and popular celeb, and the TV companies were actually ahead of the tabloids by going into an absolute frenzy over it.
It actually gathered pace (incredibly, seeing as it started with an avalanche) as the week went on. By the Wednesday or so, people were openly speculating about the fall of the monarchy.
Youre right. Moreover, Tony Blair seized the opportunity to hijack the momentum with his speech at Trimdon, Sedgefield. If you don't remember it have a look on You Tube....its almost a textbook facsimile impressionists do to convey his insincerity and faux empathy - especially given his and Cherie Blair's contempt of The Queen and The Royal Family. It was early days then though and he had many years to perfect it later talking about Iraq casualties (when he did). "The Peoples Princess", probably an Alastair Campbell, 'back of ciggy packet job' for Blair's speech paved the way. The Blairs thought themselves 'Head of State' but he saw his derriere on many occasions later (e.g. wanting to do a presidential style walk with Cherie through the streets to the Opening of Parliament...wanting input to the ceremonial arrangements funeral of The Queen Mother/parading on foot to meet her coffin etc). Laughable really...and more fool me the ole socialist for voting him in, too. I do think though that his/his entourage's role in the cornering and forcing the hand of The Queen in this matter is vastly underrated. Ultimately it changed nothing apart from throwing petrol on the fire making the Royals, especially William and Harry have to display their grief in a meet and greet at the flowers which was uncomfortable viewing for me having lost my dad when I was nine. I do incidentally point the finger at Blair for worse things later in his Premiership than this too. Im given though to thinking too that, as William and Harry still seem to have a normal, natural, funny loving relationship with their father and their step mother so much yet still maintain their complete love of their late Mother,then maybe its time for people, however well meaning, who didn't/dont know any of them personally to let the animosity go.
Sorting out though some VHS the other day of someone who is moving out and to cut lLong story short lots of VHS pre recorded,
And among 100s of others was Diana's funeral in full on its
is this worth anything nowadays??
We don't really know how much the Spencers were allowed to influence the two children as they grew up. They seem to have good relations with the cousins on that side of the family so I suspect they had plenty of contact but away from the press.
Spencer was a bit of a yob as a young man. Would not be a good influence.
All I remember is all the people who loved her and told you how great she was, and there were lots. Now there doesn't seem to be anywhere near that amount who even think about her
Spencer was a bit of a yob as a young man. Would not be a good influence.
As well as a knob of a husband, especially to his first wife. He also turned down Diana's request to use a secluded cottage in the grounds of the Althorp estate as a refuge just months before she died. He said she would attract too much attention to the place...then turned around and had her buried there. Hypocritical in my opinion. I doubt he's been much influence in the boy's lives, he spends all his time in South Africa these days and has done for years. I think Charles has been a great dad to the boys and should get more credit than he does.
The music played at the funeral though was wonderful, no doubt about that. Could well have done without that awful song by Elton, I thought it was dreadful.
As well as a knob of a husband, especially to his first wife. He also turned down Diana's request to use a secluded cottage in the grounds of the Althorp estate as a refuge just months before she died. He said she would attract too much attention to the place...then turned around and had her buried there. Hypocritical in my opinion. I doubt he's been much influence in the boy's lives, he spends all his time in South Africa these days and has done for years. I think Charles has been a great dad to the boys and should get more credit than he does.
You write some really sensible posts. I agree with all you have said.
I have always sort of liked Charles.... and I don't think he gets the credit that is due to him either.
I know this won't be a popular view, but I've got a lot of time for Camilla. Okay, so what she and Charles did was not acceptable, but then Diana was no angel either. I am the second wife of my husband and I know what it's like to be constantly compared to the first wife. I dread to think what it's like for Camilla, what with Diana being constantly on the verge of beatification. I honestly don't get the vitriol she gets from the public. What they did wasn't right, but were Charles and Diana supposed to stay in a loveless marriage for the rest of their lives? After Diana's unfortunate demise was Charles supposed to live like a monk for the rest of his days? It amazes me the amount of people who dislike Camilla and say "she will never be Queen" in their eyes. All I can say to those people is that it must be lovely to be so perfect, never having made any mistakes in relationships and obviously coming from perfect families where no one has ever got divorced or remarried etc. They are human, and we all make mistakes, but some people just won't accept that fact because of how wronged the saintly Diana was.
I know this won't be a popular view, but I've got a lot of time for Camilla. Okay, so what she and Charles did was not acceptable, but then Diana was no angel either. I am the second wife of my husband and I know what it's like to be constantly compared to the first wife. I dread to think what it's like for Camilla, what with Diana being constantly on the verge of beatification. I honestly don't get the vitriol she gets from the public. What they did wasn't right, but were Charles and Diana supposed to stay in a loveless marriage for the rest of their lives? After Diana's unfortunate demise was Charles supposed to live like a monk for the rest of his days? It amazes me the amount of people who dislike Camilla and say "she will never be Queen" in their eyes. All I can say to those people is that it must be lovely to be so perfect, never having made any mistakes in relationships and obviously coming from perfect families where no one has ever got divorced or remarried etc. They are human, and we all make mistakes, but some people just won't accept that fact because of how wronged the saintly Diana was.
You're not alone. I thought much the same. I thought Camilla looked lovely on their wedding day. It's hard enough to find any kind of love in this life and why shouldn't they have some - God knows they have all been through enough.
I know this won't be a popular view, but I've got a lot of time for Camilla. Okay, so what she and Charles did was not acceptable, but then Diana was no angel either. I am the second wife of my husband and I know what it's like to be constantly compared to the first wife. I dread to think what it's like for Camilla, what with Diana being constantly on the verge of beatification. I honestly don't get the vitriol she gets from the public. What they did wasn't right, but were Charles and Diana supposed to stay in a loveless marriage for the rest of their lives? After Diana's unfortunate demise was Charles supposed to live like a monk for the rest of his days? It amazes me the amount of people who dislike Camilla and say "she will never be Queen" in their eyes. All I can say to those people is that it must be lovely to be so perfect, never having made any mistakes in relationships and obviously coming from perfect families where no one has ever got divorced or remarried etc. They are human, and we all make mistakes, but some people just won't accept that fact because of how wronged the saintly Diana was.
I don't go along with the saintly Diana myth either, but Charles was knobbing Camilla before he met Diana; he married in order to produce the heir and spare, and then went back to his mistress. That's pretty callous.
I think Charles and Diana gave the marriage their best shot for as long as they could. I've a feeling that they both had a 'Oh no what have I done!' moment during the honeymoon once they settled down to being together 24/7 and the reality of the marriage set in. I always thought that if Charles had met Diana five or ten years later when she was more mature it may have turned out differently. She really was just a young girl when she married him and with loads of issues from her past simmering beneath the surface. Ditto with him. Just sad all round, had it lasted they really could have been the biggest thing in the world, a major power-couple.
I will never, ever believe she would have married the store owner's son. I think she'd have ended up with a wealthy American .
Thirdly, Diana might have been part of your desperate existence for 15 years, she wasn't part of mine, and no I won't sneer at any deluded individuals who feel that she was 'part of their life', but I am convinced that they need to get a life.
SULLA, in post 148 has hit the nail squarely on the head in my opinion, with the lyrics to Evita.
Nothing I have stated on this thread precludes the fact that I was shocked by her death, and felt, and still feel, great sympathy for her sons.
I suppose it depends on your definition of 'part of someone's life'. She was someone I expected to be in the public eye for the rest of my life so in that sense she was part of my life. I didn't love her though.
Strange, isn't it? Fictional films and TV shows make us feel sympathy with and even cry for fictional characters but feeling the same for public figure is considered odd.
By the way, is there any particular need for you to be insulting?
I suppose it depends on your definition of 'part of someone's life'. She was someone I expected to be in the public eye for the rest of my life so in that sense she was part of my life. I didn't love her though.
Strange, isn't it? Fictional films and TV shows make us feel sympathy with and even cry for fictional characters but feeling the same for public figure is considered odd.
By the way, is there any particular need for you to be insulting?
Funny you should say that, I was thinking the same thing. I remember going to see 'Ghost' and being just about the only person to come out of the cinema with dry eyes, some people were actually sobbing on their way out....it was a fantasy and not even real life....
I don't go along with the saintly Diana myth either, but Charles was knobbing Camilla before he met Diana; he married in order to produce the heir and spare, and then went back to his mistress. That's pretty callous.
Dunno if true, but after the express had its annual Diana hate campaign, some close to Harry, Said, we can make sure the editor of express has an accident , it's no problem, there were also, some comments made recently by an "unnamed " comedian, in front of Harry which had him laughing all way
The comedian is a household name which is why his name wasn't mentioned
Wonder who it could have been
I don't believe she ever was anorexic. I think she lost a lot of weight in the early part of her marriage due to stress and anxiety. She put the weight back on pretty quickly. Her secretary, Patrick Jephson, said she was a "stress and comfort eater" in the time that he knew her, she would often make a beeline for the buffet and ram as many prawn vol au vents down her throat as she could before a function started.
The bulimia claim was pure attention seeking. No one with hair, skin, teeth and eyes like Diana's could be purge vomiting on a daily basis. She would have had rotten teeth and bloodshot eyes if that were the case. Also, to put it bluntly, she would have stank of vomit and all her stylists said this was never the case.
No way was she a bulimic. It was all just tactics to get more sympathy.
I can recall her brother trapping off about what he was going to do and since then he has done nothing,
Some years before Tim Rice wrote these lyrics for Evita.
Sound familiar???? Just change the name.
Oh what a circus! Oh what a show!
Argentina has gone to town
Over the death of an actress called Eva Peron We've all gone crazy
Mourning all day and mourning all night
Falling over ourselves to get all
Of the misery right
Oh what an exit! That's how to go!
When they're ringing your curtain down
Demand to be buried like Eva Peron
It's quite a sunset
And good for the country in a roundabout way
We've made the front page of all the world's papers today
But who is this Santa Evita?
Why all this howling hysterical sorrow?
What kind of goddess has lived among us?
How will we ever get by without her?
Diana was bulimic. This is a quote on Elton John's Wikipedia article "He also battled the eating disorder bulimia. In a CNN interview with Larry King in 2002, King asked if John knew of Diana, Princess of Wales' eating disorder. John replied, "Yes, I did. We were both bulimic."
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Emotional instability is linked with mental illness.
Your welcome.
But that is not the same as having a relationship with the person for years before marrying someone else (not sure if his mistress was already married at the time), then continuing with the relationship through the marriage before finally divorcing.
We don't really know how much the Spencers were allowed to influence the two children as they grew up. They seem to have good relations with the cousins on that side of the family so I suspect they had plenty of contact but away from the press.
Youre right. Moreover, Tony Blair seized the opportunity to hijack the momentum with his speech at Trimdon, Sedgefield. If you don't remember it have a look on You Tube....its almost a textbook facsimile impressionists do to convey his insincerity and faux empathy - especially given his and Cherie Blair's contempt of The Queen and The Royal Family. It was early days then though and he had many years to perfect it later talking about Iraq casualties (when he did). "The Peoples Princess", probably an Alastair Campbell, 'back of ciggy packet job' for Blair's speech paved the way. The Blairs thought themselves 'Head of State' but he saw his derriere on many occasions later (e.g. wanting to do a presidential style walk with Cherie through the streets to the Opening of Parliament...wanting input to the ceremonial arrangements funeral of The Queen Mother/parading on foot to meet her coffin etc). Laughable really...and more fool me the ole socialist for voting him in, too. I do think though that his/his entourage's role in the cornering and forcing the hand of The Queen in this matter is vastly underrated. Ultimately it changed nothing apart from throwing petrol on the fire making the Royals, especially William and Harry have to display their grief in a meet and greet at the flowers which was uncomfortable viewing for me having lost my dad when I was nine. I do incidentally point the finger at Blair for worse things later in his Premiership than this too. Im given though to thinking too that, as William and Harry still seem to have a normal, natural, funny loving relationship with their father and their step mother so much yet still maintain their complete love of their late Mother,then maybe its time for people, however well meaning, who didn't/dont know any of them personally to let the animosity go.
Whats on the other tapes?
Few others
Lakes
Robin hood with Errol Flynn, Olivia De havilland
Henry v111 & 8 wives
Striptease
Pearl harbour
spellbound
Thorn birds etc
I'm well aware of that. What I mean is she wasn't suffering from schizophrenia or bi polar disorder.
She was an attention seeker, pure and simple.
Spencer was a bit of a yob as a young man. Would not be a good influence.
As well as a knob of a husband, especially to his first wife. He also turned down Diana's request to use a secluded cottage in the grounds of the Althorp estate as a refuge just months before she died. He said she would attract too much attention to the place...then turned around and had her buried there. Hypocritical in my opinion. I doubt he's been much influence in the boy's lives, he spends all his time in South Africa these days and has done for years. I think Charles has been a great dad to the boys and should get more credit than he does.
You write some really sensible posts. I agree with all you have said.
I have always sort of liked Charles.... and I don't think he gets the credit that is due to him either.
You're not alone. I thought much the same. I thought Camilla looked lovely on their wedding day. It's hard enough to find any kind of love in this life and why shouldn't they have some - God knows they have all been through enough.
I don't go along with the saintly Diana myth either, but Charles was knobbing Camilla before he met Diana; he married in order to produce the heir and spare, and then went back to his mistress. That's pretty callous.
I will never, ever believe she would have married the store owner's son. I think she'd have ended up with a wealthy American
I suppose it depends on your definition of 'part of someone's life'. She was someone I expected to be in the public eye for the rest of my life so in that sense she was part of my life. I didn't love her though.
Strange, isn't it? Fictional films and TV shows make us feel sympathy with and even cry for fictional characters but feeling the same for public figure is considered odd.
By the way, is there any particular need for you to be insulting?
is this worth anything nowadays??"
The whole funeral is on YouTube in many sections
Funny you should say that, I was thinking the same thing. I remember going to see 'Ghost' and being just about the only person to come out of the cinema with dry eyes, some people were actually sobbing on their way out....it was a fantasy and not even real life....
It's called monarchy. It's what they do.
Of using you tube
The comedian is a household name which is why his name wasn't mentioned
Wonder who it could have been
Diana was bulimic. This is a quote on Elton John's Wikipedia article "He also battled the eating disorder bulimia. In a CNN interview with Larry King in 2002, King asked if John knew of Diana, Princess of Wales' eating disorder. John replied, "Yes, I did. We were both bulimic."
And the Evita reference sums it up perfectly