Maybe it does not matter in itself or individually. Perhaps it's more a question of equality. Why should white people become a minority in England, while black, Asian and Chinese people are not becoming minorities in countries they migrated from?
Why should there be an equivalence in these matters, when different levels of immigration across the world are mostly a matter of historical accident?
Maybe it does not matter in itself or individually. Perhaps it's more a question of equality. Why should white people become a minority in England, while black, Asian and Chinese people are not becoming minorities in countries they migrated from? Countries where those races are the majority and will probably always be.
Become a minority? 2011 England and Wales Census 86% White
Why are whites more likely to reduce vs other ethnic groups, simple if you have one white parent and one non-white parent are your white or are you mixed race or the other non-white parent's ethnicity. Some how I doubt they count as white despite having a white parent.
Become a minority? 2011 England and Wales Census 86% White
Why are whites more likely to reduce vs other ethnic groups, simple if you have one white parent and one non-white parent are your white or are you mixed race or the other non-white parent's ethnicity. Some how I doubt they count as white despite having a white parent.
There is a prediction that says 'white British' will become the minority in 2066 and amongst younger people much earlier. If you don't count anyone above retirement age the figures look different.
Immigrant families can expand four times in size before they equalise with British ones.
More than a quarter of primary school children are from an ethnic minority – an increase of almost half a million since 1997, it emerged yesterday.
The Government’s annual school census painted a picture of a changing Britain where schools are under mounting pressure from mass immigration.
In some areas, only 8 per cent of primary pupils are from a white British background.
And 26.5 per cent of primary pupils – 862,735 – are from an ethnic minority. When Labour took office in 1997, the total was 380,954. At secondary level, the total of ethnic minority children – 723,605 – has risen from 17.7 per cent to 22.2 per cent in five years.
The biggest group of ethnic minority pupils were Asians, making up 10 per cent of primary pupils and 8.3 per cent of secondary pupils.
The number from ‘other white backgrounds’ in primaries has almost doubled since 2004 – from 74,500 to 136,880 – reflecting arrivals from Eastern Europe and other new EU member states.
In Manchester, Bradford, Leicester and Nottinghamshire white British primary pupils are in a minority. And in Luton just 30 per cent are classified as white British.
In some London boroughs, such as Newham, only 8 per cent of children up to the age of 11 are from a white British background.
Britain will be the most ethnically mixed country in the western world in less than 40 years, experts predicted yesterday.
They claimed that the share of the population from an ethnic minority or migrant background will hit 38 per cent – overtaking other nations – in around 2050.
And the study said Britain will become the most mixed country in Europe in around five years when the minority and migrant proportion of the population overtakes the same group in the Netherlands
The analysis, prepared by Professor David Coleman of Oxford University for the Migration Observatory think-tank, is a fresh indicator of the impact of large-scale migration on life in Britain.
Professor Coleman, an expert in demography, the study of how populations change, endorsed a projection he made two years ago suggesting that at current migration rates white British people will be a minority in the population by about 2066, in just over 50 years.
In his new paper, he said these projections may prove to be too high if the Coalition keeps its pledge to reduce net migration – the difference between those arriving in the country and those people leaving.
‘The highest migration projections for the UK put the crossover for the whole country, when the combined population of all ethnic minority groups together would exceed the population of white British, at around 2070, although it would have occurred in younger age groups and major urban areas rather earlier than that,’ Professor Coleman said.
There is a prediction that says 'white British' will become the minority in 2066 and amongst younger people much earlier. If you don't count anyone above retirement age the figures look different.
Immigrant families can expand four times in size before they equalise with British ones.
That's the future not what the figures say today.
I would take professor David Coleman's findings with a very large pinch of salt he may not be impartial on such issues. Professor David Coleman of Oxford University is according to wikipedia a member of the Galton Institute formerly known as the Eugenics Society.
Maybe it does not matter in itself or individually. Perhaps it's more a question of equality. Why should white people become a minority in England, while black, Asian and Chinese people are not becoming minorities in countries they migrated from? Countries where those races are the majority and will probably always be.
It's all about not making any one feel they are a minority, in decline, or being treated unfairly. It's the same as saying I like the Muslims I know, but I don't want any more Mosques or further concessions until Christians start getting equal treatment in Muslim countries. Two very different views depending on the scope you are considering.
I personally am happy for the whole world to mix up as long as it is done evenly. I would also say that many people from ethnic minorities I have known seem to associate quite strongly with their race and can even see it as part of their identity. It's only the left that seem to think it's irrelevant at all levels. It's wrong for the left to thing that only white right wingers go on about race all the time. Well I can see how they might think that actually as they probably live in ivory towers and don't get to meet real people much.
Why do you care what colour skin people have? What does it matter if the majority of people in the UK are White, Indian, Chinese, Arab, Black, Native America or any combination of the above?
I would take professor David Coleman's findings with a very large pinch of salt he may not be impartial on such issues. Professor David Coleman of Oxford University is a member of the Galton Institute formerly known as the Eugenics Society. With the aim of promoting eugenics to improve the human race by encouraging the fertility of the elite whilst regulating reproduction through the sterilization of ‘inferior’ humans. The society contains members who describe themselves as scientific racists, who believe non whites are racially inferior.
It's all about not making any one feel they are a minority, in decline, or being treated unfairly. It's the same as saying I like the Muslims I know, but I don't want any more Mosques or further concessions until Christians start getting equal treatment in Muslim countries.
What kind of "further concessions" are you talking about? I've not heard of any being requested. It's certainly not a "concession" to anyone to allow a new mosque to be built. And in any case it would be totally insane to base our treatment of Muslims on how Christians are treated in other countries.
It's wrong for the left to thing that only white right wingers go on about race all the time. Well I can see how they might think that actually as they probably live in ivory towers and don't get to meet real people much.
Why do you care what colour skin people have? What does it matter if the majority of people in the UK are White, Indian, Chinese, Arab, Black, Native America or any combination of the above?
Why do so many black people I have met over the years care so much about their race? Human nature probably. Not quite sure why you have a problem with equality of numbers and even distribution in the world. Seems like the best option to me.
Do you complain about the black police officers association? Of course not as you will say that is to combat discrimination. But if the world was evenly mixed, there would not be any discrimination.
I have heard people say our immigration system is racist, but on inspection their country is hardly mixed at all compared to ours.
What kind of "further concessions" are you talking about? I've not heard of any being requested. It's certainly not a "concession" to anyone to allow a new mosque to be built. And in any case it would be totally insane to base our treatment of Muslims on how Christians are treated in other countries.
Now you're just being silly.
Churches are being burnt down in the Islamic world and built in the western world. Lets link the two.
What about the demand by the woman who wanted to wear a veil in court while giving evidence? What about the Trojan horse plot in Birmingham schools. Accusations of racism because they could not have what they want.
Why do so many black people I have met over the years care so much about their race? Human nature probably. Not quite sure why you have a problem with equality of numbers and even distribution in the world. Seems like the best option to me.
Do you complain about the black police officers association? Of course not as you will say that is to combat discrimination. But if the world was evenly mixed, there would not be any discrimination.
I have heard people say our immigration system is racist, but on inspection their country is hardly mixed at all compared to ours.
Did the black people you met (if you haven't just made this up) care about their race being treated equally, or were they expressing views that black people are better than others or should be given special privileges? If they latter, I'd say they were as racist as I find your views.
Thanks for assuming you know my views about the Black Police Officers Association, but sadly for you, you are totally wrong. I don't think such a body should exist. Any organisation that includes or excludes people based on skin colour goes against my ideas of what is right.
Your obsession with skin colour is sad. Colour is only skin deep. Culture on the other hand has a massive influence on the way people behave, and I have no time for religions and traditions that aren't compatible with our liberal western way of life.
Did the black people you met (if you haven't just made this up) care about their race being treated equally, or were they expressing views that black people are better than others or should be given special privileges? If they latter, I'd say they were as racist as I find your views.
Thanks for assuming you know my views about the Black Police Officers Association, but sadly for you, you are totally wrong. I don't think such a body should exist. Any organisation that includes or excludes people based on skin colour goes against my ideas of what is right.
Your obsession with skin colour is sad. Colour is only skin deep. Culture on the other hand has a massive influence on the way people behave, and I have no time for religions and traditions that aren't compatible with our liberal western way of life.
It is the stated aim of eugenics. As to who counts as elite and who counts as inferior stock best ask the Galton Institute (formerly called the Eugenics society) of which according to wikipedia professor David Coleman is a member, along with people who believe in the racial supperiority of the white race. At best if wikipedia is to believed the man keeps poor company and has questionable admirers of his reseach into population affects and ethnic groups, like the BNP.
Why do so many black people I have met over the years care so much about their race? Human nature probably. Not quite sure why you have a problem with equality of numbers and even distribution in the world. Seems like the best option to me.
It's hardly something that can be engineered, and it's unlikely to happen.
Yes, but where are the Romans, Saxons, Vikings or Normans today?
We have British, Indians, Pakistanis, Caribbean etc. but no British Romans, Saxons, Vikings, or Normans.
Why, because they have all either fully integrated long ago or left. There are no segregated communities. They also arrived over longer periods.
Ethnically the Saxons, Vikings and Normans were closely related. The Romans mostly left the country after the occupation.
It is ridiculous to suggest that modern day immigration of ethnically and culturally different people from other continents is equivalent to the migration and settlement hundreds of years ago of European tribes within Europe.
What kind of "further concessions" are you talking about? I've not heard of any being requested. It's certainly not a "concession" to anyone to allow a new mosque to be built. And in any case it would be totally insane to base our treatment of Muslims on how Christians are treated in other countries.
Did the black people you met (if you haven't just made this up) care about their race being treated equally, or were they expressing views that black people are better than others or should be given special privileges? If they latter, I'd say they were as racist as I find your views.
It doesn't matter what my views are, there will always be someone on the left that finds them racist. Socialist Worker think anyone who believes in having borders and immigration control is a racist.
No I have not made that up, I live in London remember.
They had what I said they had, a strong identity that was built around their race.
Thanks for assuming you know my views about the Black Police Officers Association, but sadly for you, you are totally wrong. I don't think such a body should exist. Any organisation that includes or excludes people based on skin colour goes against my ideas of what is right.
Your obsession with skin colour is sad. Colour is only skin deep. Culture on the other hand has a massive influence on the way people behave, and I have no time for religions and traditions that aren't compatible with our liberal western way of life.
Why an obsession? All I said was that I think equality in numbers and distribution is a good idea. I also said that individually it is not an issue for me, although it may be for others.
The same tired old xenophobes, going on to the Internet to whinge about foriegners... Yawwwwwn 😴
Actually people on the right don't whinge about foreigners in their own countries, they whinge about them when their living in this country and carry on acting like foreigners.
Plus, whose to say it is animosity against foreigners and not a perfectly natural wish to protect their own cultural identity in their own country.
Actually people on the right don't whinge about foreigners in their own countries, they whinge about them when their living in this country and carry on acting like foreigners.
Plus, whose to say it is animosity against foreigners and not a perfectly natural wish to protect their own cultural identity in their own country.
People on the right whine and whinge about foriegners, yip you got that one correct mate.. They never shut up about it.
Do me a wee favour though, could you be a less dull about it. At least trunksters posts are short and to the point lol
It's hardly something that can be engineered, and it's unlikely to happen.
Actually we could simply announce to the world that Britain is adopting a balanced immigration policy and that we will calculate how many Britons have emigrated to other countries and that will be the cap on people coming here.
So if two million Britons are living in Spain, two million Spaniards will have the right to live here. Who needs the EU, we will have all the workers we could possibly want. Countries in deficit i.e. there are more of their citizens in this country, will not be allowed any immigration at all.
All in all it seems the fairest system and should go some way to making the world less of a one way street.
This is no surprise to me The USA looks after its own people whereas the UK doesn't
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Rubbish - no healthcare free at the point of supply, police totally out of control (eg: ferguson)
The USA recognises its people's rights and freedoms whereas the UK don't
The USA never bent over backwards for political correctness whereas the UK did
The USA stayed American whereas the UK sold its soul to the devil which is the EU, there is no pride in being British whatsoever, you hang a flag it 'offends' you say you want the country how it was before your seen as a laughing stock who wants to go back to Victorian times. In America they have flags everywhere, they love their nation, see it as the best in the world and will change for no one! I admire this.
If the UK sold it's soul, it sold it to the US
In America they have the constitution and its seen as their right and duty to protect their freedoms against all enemies foreign and domestic, that as well as the people's rights to have arms would obviously act as a massive deterrent for any IS idiots who were to try and hate preach or attack the American people. Here in the nanny state UK the people aren't even allowed to defend themselves with a knitting needle, extremists know this and that's why we see British soldiers beheaded on London's streets this just simply wouldn't happen in the good Ol US of A.
I admit the US is better at home-grown merchants of hate
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Why are whites more likely to reduce vs other ethnic groups, simple if you have one white parent and one non-white parent are your white or are you mixed race or the other non-white parent's ethnicity. Some how I doubt they count as white despite having a white parent.
There is a prediction that says 'white British' will become the minority in 2066 and amongst younger people much earlier. If you don't count anyone above retirement age the figures look different.
Immigrant families can expand four times in size before they equalise with British ones.
That's the future not what the figures say today.
So really it's all down to what happens to immigration now.
Why do you care what colour skin people have? What does it matter if the majority of people in the UK are White, Indian, Chinese, Arab, Black, Native America or any combination of the above?
What do you mean by 'the elite'?
Now you're just being silly.
Why do so many black people I have met over the years care so much about their race? Human nature probably. Not quite sure why you have a problem with equality of numbers and even distribution in the world. Seems like the best option to me.
Do you complain about the black police officers association? Of course not as you will say that is to combat discrimination. But if the world was evenly mixed, there would not be any discrimination.
I have heard people say our immigration system is racist, but on inspection their country is hardly mixed at all compared to ours.
Churches are being burnt down in the Islamic world and built in the western world. Lets link the two.
What about the demand by the woman who wanted to wear a veil in court while giving evidence? What about the Trojan horse plot in Birmingham schools. Accusations of racism because they could not have what they want.
Did the black people you met (if you haven't just made this up) care about their race being treated equally, or were they expressing views that black people are better than others or should be given special privileges? If they latter, I'd say they were as racist as I find your views.
Thanks for assuming you know my views about the Black Police Officers Association, but sadly for you, you are totally wrong. I don't think such a body should exist. Any organisation that includes or excludes people based on skin colour goes against my ideas of what is right.
Your obsession with skin colour is sad. Colour is only skin deep. Culture on the other hand has a massive influence on the way people behave, and I have no time for religions and traditions that aren't compatible with our liberal western way of life.
Agree.
What about it? It's not a matter of granting concessions.
It's hardly something that can be engineered, and it's unlikely to happen.
Ethnically the Saxons, Vikings and Normans were closely related. The Romans mostly left the country after the occupation.
It is ridiculous to suggest that modern day immigration of ethnically and culturally different people from other continents is equivalent to the migration and settlement hundreds of years ago of European tribes within Europe.
Have you got a boxers nose, and cauliflower ears?
It doesn't matter what my views are, there will always be someone on the left that finds them racist. Socialist Worker think anyone who believes in having borders and immigration control is a racist.
No I have not made that up, I live in London remember.
They had what I said they had, a strong identity that was built around their race.
Glad to hear it.
Why an obsession? All I said was that I think equality in numbers and distribution is a good idea. I also said that individually it is not an issue for me, although it may be for others.
Yip!!
Actually people on the right don't whinge about foreigners in their own countries, they whinge about them when their living in this country and carry on acting like foreigners.
Plus, whose to say it is animosity against foreigners and not a perfectly natural wish to protect their own cultural identity in their own country.
People on the right whine and whinge about foriegners, yip you got that one correct mate.. They never shut up about it.
Do me a wee favour though, could you be a less dull about it. At least trunksters posts are short and to the point lol
Actually we could simply announce to the world that Britain is adopting a balanced immigration policy and that we will calculate how many Britons have emigrated to other countries and that will be the cap on people coming here.
So if two million Britons are living in Spain, two million Spaniards will have the right to live here. Who needs the EU, we will have all the workers we could possibly want. Countries in deficit i.e. there are more of their citizens in this country, will not be allowed any immigration at all.
All in all it seems the fairest system and should go some way to making the world less of a one way street.