Whoever would think of putting charity on a bucket list????? :eek:
Especially if you're going out to Africa to help build a school. :rolleyes:
Tick - done that. LOL That's my charitable deed for this year.
I've certainly learned a lot about this zelebrityness - thanks, Josie.
Of course, loads of kids do exactly that every year and have to raise all the money themselves to be able to go.
A huge amount of fundraising for over 2 years usually.
it is an odd entry for a bucket list....as is the idea of an annual bucket list....
one of my favourite conversation was with group of 9 year old muslim chlldren who were all happy to tell me that Jesus was actually one of the people they recognised as a prophet, so he is actually respected.......and that christians and muslims and jews all share the same God.....
it did make me wonder how and why we therefore create so many religious squabbles, or use religion as an excuse to create conflict!!!
BIB - that's exactly it isn't it - people use it, the conflicts aren't about religion, the religion is an excuse for the conflict.
School photos for Laura today - I never buy them - nobody bothers to brush their hair before they take the pics, we only get 2 days notice so don't have time to arrange haircuts, and they always stick them in stupid poses.
Then they want loads of money for mugs, keyrings, etc. that nobody really wants.
I prefer to get a calendar of photos I've taken thru the year and send them to my ex-MIL and others.
School photos for Laura today - I never buy them - nobody bothers to brush their hair before they take the pics, we only get 2 days notice so don't have time to arrange haircuts, and they always stick them in stupid poses.
Then they want loads of money for mugs, keyrings, etc. that nobody really wants.
I prefer to get a calendar of photos I've taken thru the year and send them to my ex-MIL and others.
I gave up buying school photos of my girls cos they got so expensive and never looked that good.....
and now im a bit sad, cos with digital cameras, i only have photos of their secondary school years...on the computer, and not actual photos i can look at in an album...
I gave up buying school photos of my girls cos they got so expensive and never looked that good.....
and now im a bit sad, cos with digital cameras, i only have photos of their secondary school years...on the computer, and not actual photos i can look at in an album...
but i do agree school photos are a weird idea....
I was on Gen Disc forum the other day and they were talking about people putting photos on their PC and how seldom people keep albums now, etc; people take more photos but print them out less. Then somebody talked about losing them if the PC crashed, made me go out and buy a DVD to transfer all my pics onto in panic lol
I was on Gen Disc forum the other day and they were talking about people putting photos on their PC and how seldom people keep albums now, etc; people take more photos but print them out less. Then somebody talked about losing them if the PC crashed, made me go out and buy a DVD to transfer all my pics onto in panic lol
I should do that some time. My daughter lost all her Bali photos because her computer died.
That's very interesting.
And what a good way of dealing with it.
It's like those mediator programmes where they get young burglars who trash people's houses to meet the homeowners.
Make it real it to them.
Of course, with words on a screen it's much easier, as we know.
Just in our little JJJ world most of us have experienced or been aware of other people experiencing nasty PMs from people.
Yes, they make us angry and have had a devastating effect on some people.
But truly at heart they are very sad people.
I'm not sure it's 'just a game' for a lot of them. I think they mean it. But I wonder how they'd feel if they came face to face with some of the people whose lives they've devastated.
After all, we know they must be intelligent people because of the job they do, so what is it in their lives that leads them to be such bitter, nasty people.
How about this for a contradiction?
If it's true, of course.
Josie has just acquired a smart little Audi sports car while at the same time expecting her fans to support her trip to Ghana so she can tick 'charity' off on her bucket list. :rolleyes:
I know some of these fans of hers and they are on the whole not that well off, yet they still go out of their way to support her in the face of all this hypocrisy. If it's true, of course!
Oh, and I thought she was skint!
Wish I could be that skint. :cool:
How about this for a contradiction?
If it's true, of course.
Josie has just acquired a smart little Audi sports car while at the same time expecting her fans to support her trip to Ghana so she can tick 'charity' off on her bucket list. :rolleyes:
I know some of these fans of hers and they are on the whole not that well off, yet they still go out of their way to support her in the face of all this hypocrisy. If it's true, of course!
Oh, and I thought she was skint!
Wish I could be that skint. :cool:
Well, there you go, it's not true. :rolleyes: What a surprise!
How awful it is that the Social Workers in Rochdale decided those girls had chosen what they thought was prostitution as a lifestyle.
What is unbelievable is that they thought this was a good enough reason not to help them.
I am shocked beyond belief.
As someone pointed out: there is no such thing as a child prostitute.
There is a vulnerable child and an abusive adult. Full stop.
Well, there you go, it's not true. :rolleyes: What a surprise!
I wouldn't worry too much, the majority of the £3k donation needed seems to have been raised by two others in the team. Of course, it's not money for Josie per se you know - it's one of those projects where the participants have to raise funds up to a certain amount (in this case £3k) in order to be able to go. Obviously it all goes to the charity, and they can raise more than that lol. It is a legitimate project, a friend of mine did a similar thing years ago.
How awful it is that the Social Workers in Rochdale decided those girls had chosen what they thought was prostitution as a lifestyle.
What is unbelievable is that they thought this was a good enough reason not to help them.
I am shocked beyond belief.
As someone pointed out: there is no such thing as a child prostitute.
There is a vulnerable child and an abusive adult. Full stop.
Just been reading about this, it's a terrible situation - it does really make you wonder what went on in their heads.
I wouldn't worry too much, the majority of the £3k donation needed seems to have been raised by two others in the team. Of course, it's not money for Josie per se you know - it's one of those projects where the participants have to raise funds up to a certain amount (in this case £3k) in order to be able to go. Obviously it all goes to the charity, and they can raise more than that lol. It is a legitimate project, a friend of mine did a similar thing years ago.
I know it's a legitimate organisation. There are lots of them around. I was just pointing up the irony, is all. The kids at our children's school used to do it, raise all the money themselves through various fundraising events of their own throughout a couple of years. It was one of the best things they did.
Just been reading about this, it's a terrible situation - it does really make you wonder what went on in their heads.
Beggars belief, doesn't it?
I've worked alongside lots of social workers and I've never heard any have this attitude to teenage girls involved in prostitution - a 'lifestyle choice' :eek: - my god, what planet are they living on? Been reading too many cheapie mags, if you ask me! And also, 'choice'?????? Most teenage girls get into prostitution through desperation - fuelled by having a baby to look after (this can come before or after - depends on the pimps), drugs, drink, being thrown on the streets by their families - i.e. homelessness, and a whole raft of other things. ,
Kay, I can't believe I slept thru Holby this week - will have to watch in iPlayer!
Watched Homefront tonight, I think I could really get into this. Has a feel of Prisoners Wives about it.
I can't believe you slept through Holby either :eek:
What with it being full of Luke, Eddie and Max!
You need to catch up, definitely. All 3 characters great but with enormous flaws. So, be prepared, is all I'm going to say.
We watched Homefront too. Not sure about it, yet.
I wasn't surprised when I read after that it was written by someone who'd produced Corrie for years. It shows! But then I'm not a great Corrie fan.
I was reading an article last night about Megan Stammers the girl who seems to have run off with her maths teacher, and in the article in the Telegraph, the writer was bemoaning the fact that ....on he twitter and online accounts it was fairly obvious that something major was going on in her life revolving around some kind of 'forbidden love', and the evidence is there for newspapers etc to find... but her parents were totally oblivious.
She was comparing it to our teenage years, when we may have had private diaries...which a really anxious mother might inadvertantly read......or a family phone, which might be public enough for other family members to overhear snippets...
But now its almost impossible for parents to really know what their kids might be up to online.....:(:confused::(
Although having said that....I am still slightly surprised that Megans parents dont really seem to have known their daughter very well at all. There seems a massive disconnect between the girl described by her friends and the child her mother seems to see.
I also met another mum the other day who is currently having major issues with her 18 year old daughter. and it made me sad....
somehow we seem to have lost something.....the abillity to be clear about the difference between right and wrong.
like the teacher going off with Megan....that is just wrong....on every level. He was her teacher, that is a priviledged position. He was already married. He was so so much older than her.
ok so people do fall in love in unexpected ways and with unexpected people, and they deserve consideration and compassion. But if it is a powerful and real relationship, then surely give it time...and start it at a future date, publically and not in a deceitful manner?
Im not surprised on one level that sometimes our young people are extremely confused...they get such mixed messages......
sort of connected to the idea of people getting mixed messages....and sometimes just needing a bit of good advice.....that is straightforward and not too confusing...
I watched the last episode of The Audience ' last night...
it was brilliant and so so poignant...
The problem came from a 28 year old guy from liverpool, who had a good job, shared a house with his 3 brothers, and a lovely girlfriend, and he wanted to know whether he should throw that all away and go travelling.
enter 50 strangers to follow him for a week and to make a decision for him....
I dont know where they got the 50 strangers from, but some of them were incredibly interesting as well.....but the 50 strangers decided they needed to find out more about why he wanted to travel so started to ask him questions about his life and his past....
He was a lovely apparently well balanced guy, with great friends and a great life....but........it transpired that his mum had died when he was 7, his dad had become an alcholic and died when he was 13, His grandparents took him and his 3 brothers in, His grandmother died when he was 14, and his grandad died when he was 18. which was when he and his brothers had started to rent a house together.
After a lot of discussion it became fairly obvious that the guy and his brothers, had never really faced up to all the deaths of their familiy members, and that before he made any decisons about travelling ...he needed to recognise and face up to his feelings a bit more...
quite a few of the group had parents who had died young, or who were currently terminally ill....so they had some very sensible advice and questions....
So this was what the group suggested he do, before he went anywhere he should go into himself and work out his own feelings, and deal with the grief......and they added in for good measure....why not move out of the shared house with his brothers, maybe with his girlfriend and become more independent?
and why not think a bit more about whether he really wanted to travel, by doing a few more short tem holiday projects...like going camping abroad? And once he had done this then he could consider travelling in a few years ......??
and in a really really poignant moment .....the guy had been privately worrying that becasue he was the last person to see his father on the night he died, that he could or should have done more to prevent his death....(aged 13) One of the 50, said that before she retired, she had been a specialist nurse dealing with patients with alcholism, and that there was absolutely nothing he could have done to prevent his fathers death......Alcohol can really mess up someones system, and once its reached a certain stage, its almost impossible for anyone, even a specialised crash team at a hospital to revive someone.
The guy ended up in floods of tears...but i do think that was a piece of advice he really needed to hear...to take away his guilt....
it was like a massive group of aunts, uncles and friends all giving him good rational and reasoned advice......and i think the guy was incredbly grateful for it....
sort of connected to the idea of people getting mixed messages....and sometimes just needing a bit of good advice.....that is straightforward and not too confusing...
I watched the last episode of The Audience ' last night...
it was brilliant and so so poignant...
The problem came from a 28 year old guy from liverpool, who had a good job, shared a house with his 3 brothers, and a lovely girlfriend, and he wanted to know whether he should throw that all away and go travelling.
enter 50 strangers to follow him for a week and to make a decision for him....
I dont know where they got the 50 strangers from, but some of them were incredibly interesting as well.....but the 50 strangers decided they needed to find out more about why he wanted to travel so started to ask him questions about his life and his past....
He was a lovely apparently well balanced guy, with great friends and a great life....but........it transpired that his mum had died when he was 7, his dad had become an alcholic and died when he was 13, His grandparents took him and his 3 brothers in, His grandmother died when he was 14, and his grandad died when he was 18. which was when he and his brothers had started to rent a house together.
After a lot of discussion it became fairly obvious that the guy and his brothers, had never really faced up to all the deaths of their familiy members, and that before he made any decisons about travelling ...he needed to recognise and face up to his feelings a bit more...
quite a few of the group had parents who had died young, or who were currently terminally ill....so they had some very sensible advice and questions....
So this was what the group suggested he do, before he went anywhere he should go into himself and work out his own feelings, and deal with the grief......and they added in for good measure....why not move out of the shared house with his brothers, maybe with his girlfriend and become more independent?
and why not think a bit more about whether he really wanted to travel, by doing a few more short tem holiday projects...like going camping abroad? And once he had done this then he could consider travelling in a few years ......??
and in a really really poignant moment .....the guy had been privately worrying that becasue he was the last person to see his father on the night he died, that he could or should have done more to prevent his death....(aged 13) One of the 50, said that before she retired, she had been a specialist nurse dealing with patients with alcholism, and that there was absolutely nothing he could have done to prevent his fathers death......Alcohol can really mess up someones system, and once its reached a certain stage, its almost impossible for anyone, even a specialised crash team at a hospital to revive someone.
The guy ended up in floods of tears...but i do think that was a piece of advice he really needed to hear...to take away his guilt....
it was like a massive group of aunts, uncles and friends all giving him good rational and reasoned advice......and i think the guy was incredbly grateful for it....
Wow, what a lot going on inside that guy's head!
I did think it was odd that he lives with his brothers and his girlfriend - although obviously financially sound, it is a strange situation for the girl to be in. Did he say anything about her, she doesn't seem to come into his decisions at all.
I was reading an article last night about Megan Stammers the girl who seems to have run off with her maths teacher, and in the article in the Telegraph, the writer was bemoaning the fact that ....on he twitter and online accounts it was fairly obvious that something major was going on in her life revolving around some kind of 'forbidden love', and the evidence is there for newspapers etc to find... but her parents were totally oblivious.
She was comparing it to our teenage years, when we may have had private diaries...which a really anxious mother might inadvertantly read......or a family phone, which might be public enough for other family members to overhear snippets...
But now its almost impossible for parents to really know what their kids might be up to online.....:(:confused::(
Although having said that....I am still slightly surprised that Megans parents dont really seem to have known their daughter very well at all. There seems a massive disconnect between the girl described by her friends and the child her mother seems to see.
But what on earth was the teacher thinking?
I agree with you about this case, augusta. I am totally flummoxed by these parents. I can't believe that they didn't know that something had been going on, even if they didn't know exactly what. For me, the most important thing with my children was to build up trust that whatever they did, I would be there to listen and advise, even if I didn't like what they were doing. That's why I won't go on FB which I think of as my children's domain. And that's why my daughter has always told me everything that has ever happened to her - some of it stuff I wasn't happy with, but to me it's always been important to keep the lines of communication open. Then at least you can try and advise (preferably without losing your temper - not always easy) or you have fair warning and can gear yourself up to dealing with it.
I let my children do anything they wanted, as long as I always knew where they were. As OH said the other day, they might not always have been where they said they were, but I was always reassured because if they were in any trouble, I would always go and fetch them, whatever time of night it was.
And I also understand what teenagers go through because I went through a lot of it myself but had no one to talk to about it. My parents were fairly liberal in their attitudes to most things but they would always worry hugely, so I guess I didn't tell them everything. Whereas my daughter - thank goodness - has no compunction about telling me everything - even though she'll preface some things with 'I know you'll be upset, angry, worried, but ......'
The other thing about this case: I think the way it's been dealt with by the police, parents and other authorities, including school and the social services, has not been good. If they were informed about it, they should have at least investigated it. I bet they thought, oh, she's 15, we've got more important things to do. Bit like the attitudes in Rochdale. When I was a governor such a circumstance never arose, although the infamous Chris Woodhead was a teacher at a school in our County, but I'm sure the school would have been onto it and would have made sure the governors knew, who would have made sure investigations were carried out. I mean, it could have just been malicious, jealous schoolgirl gossip.
And I don't think it's being dealt with correctly now, either. Yes, it's terrible what the teacher has done. But if I were them, I wouldn't come anywhere near this country, until all the fuss had died down. Why would you? They knew she'd gone off with the teacher. It was a longer term relationship than it had been made out to be. But to set up a big manhunt like this won't help or solve anything.
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it is an odd entry for a bucket list....as is the idea of an annual bucket list....
thats not a bucket list....but a to do list!!!
BIB - that's exactly it isn't it - people use it, the conflicts aren't about religion, the religion is an excuse for the conflict.
And conflict is all about gaining/defending power, land, wealth.
Then they want loads of money for mugs, keyrings, etc. that nobody really wants.
I prefer to get a calendar of photos I've taken thru the year and send them to my ex-MIL and others.
Any ideas who this could be; there's a thread on it, could be nobody of course, but some think it's an early pic of a movie star.
http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showthread.php?p=61330479#post61330479
I gave up buying school photos of my girls cos they got so expensive and never looked that good.....
and now im a bit sad, cos with digital cameras, i only have photos of their secondary school years...on the computer, and not actual photos i can look at in an album...
but i do agree school photos are a weird idea....
I was on Gen Disc forum the other day and they were talking about people putting photos on their PC and how seldom people keep albums now, etc; people take more photos but print them out less. Then somebody talked about losing them if the PC crashed, made me go out and buy a DVD to transfer all my pics onto in panic lol
I should do that some time. My daughter lost all her Bali photos because her computer died.
That's very interesting.
And what a good way of dealing with it.
It's like those mediator programmes where they get young burglars who trash people's houses to meet the homeowners.
Make it real it to them.
Of course, with words on a screen it's much easier, as we know.
Just in our little JJJ world most of us have experienced or been aware of other people experiencing nasty PMs from people.
Yes, they make us angry and have had a devastating effect on some people.
But truly at heart they are very sad people.
I'm not sure it's 'just a game' for a lot of them. I think they mean it. But I wonder how they'd feel if they came face to face with some of the people whose lives they've devastated.
After all, we know they must be intelligent people because of the job they do, so what is it in their lives that leads them to be such bitter, nasty people.
How about this for a contradiction?
If it's true, of course.
Josie has just acquired a smart little Audi sports car while at the same time expecting her fans to support her trip to Ghana so she can tick 'charity' off on her bucket list. :rolleyes:
I know some of these fans of hers and they are on the whole not that well off, yet they still go out of their way to support her in the face of all this hypocrisy. If it's true, of course!
Oh, and I thought she was skint!
Wish I could be that skint. :cool:
Well, there you go, it's not true. :rolleyes: What a surprise!
What is unbelievable is that they thought this was a good enough reason not to help them.
I am shocked beyond belief.
As someone pointed out: there is no such thing as a child prostitute.
There is a vulnerable child and an abusive adult. Full stop.
I wouldn't worry too much, the majority of the £3k donation needed seems to have been raised by two others in the team. Of course, it's not money for Josie per se you know - it's one of those projects where the participants have to raise funds up to a certain amount (in this case £3k) in order to be able to go. Obviously it all goes to the charity, and they can raise more than that lol. It is a legitimate project, a friend of mine did a similar thing years ago.
Just been reading about this, it's a terrible situation - it does really make you wonder what went on in their heads.
Watched Homefront tonight, I think I could really get into this. Has a feel of Prisoners Wives about it.
I know it's a legitimate organisation. There are lots of them around. I was just pointing up the irony, is all. The kids at our children's school used to do it, raise all the money themselves through various fundraising events of their own throughout a couple of years. It was one of the best things they did.
Beggars belief, doesn't it?
I've worked alongside lots of social workers and I've never heard any have this attitude to teenage girls involved in prostitution - a 'lifestyle choice' :eek: - my god, what planet are they living on? Been reading too many cheapie mags, if you ask me! And also, 'choice'?????? Most teenage girls get into prostitution through desperation - fuelled by having a baby to look after (this can come before or after - depends on the pimps), drugs, drink, being thrown on the streets by their families - i.e. homelessness, and a whole raft of other things. ,
I can't believe you slept through Holby either :eek:
What with it being full of Luke, Eddie and Max!
You need to catch up, definitely. All 3 characters great but with enormous flaws. So, be prepared, is all I'm going to say.
We watched Homefront too. Not sure about it, yet.
I wasn't surprised when I read after that it was written by someone who'd produced Corrie for years. It shows! But then I'm not a great Corrie fan.
wow...that is a fascinating read.........
and actually very scary.....
I was reading an article last night about Megan Stammers the girl who seems to have run off with her maths teacher, and in the article in the Telegraph, the writer was bemoaning the fact that ....on he twitter and online accounts it was fairly obvious that something major was going on in her life revolving around some kind of 'forbidden love', and the evidence is there for newspapers etc to find... but her parents were totally oblivious.
She was comparing it to our teenage years, when we may have had private diaries...which a really anxious mother might inadvertantly read......or a family phone, which might be public enough for other family members to overhear snippets...
But now its almost impossible for parents to really know what their kids might be up to online.....:(:confused::(
Although having said that....I am still slightly surprised that Megans parents dont really seem to have known their daughter very well at all. There seems a massive disconnect between the girl described by her friends and the child her mother seems to see.
But what on earth was the teacher thinking?
somehow we seem to have lost something.....the abillity to be clear about the difference between right and wrong.
like the teacher going off with Megan....that is just wrong....on every level. He was her teacher, that is a priviledged position. He was already married. He was so so much older than her.
ok so people do fall in love in unexpected ways and with unexpected people, and they deserve consideration and compassion. But if it is a powerful and real relationship, then surely give it time...and start it at a future date, publically and not in a deceitful manner?
Im not surprised on one level that sometimes our young people are extremely confused...they get such mixed messages......
I watched the last episode of The Audience ' last night...
it was brilliant and so so poignant...
The problem came from a 28 year old guy from liverpool, who had a good job, shared a house with his 3 brothers, and a lovely girlfriend, and he wanted to know whether he should throw that all away and go travelling.
enter 50 strangers to follow him for a week and to make a decision for him....
I dont know where they got the 50 strangers from, but some of them were incredibly interesting as well.....but the 50 strangers decided they needed to find out more about why he wanted to travel so started to ask him questions about his life and his past....
He was a lovely apparently well balanced guy, with great friends and a great life....but........it transpired that his mum had died when he was 7, his dad had become an alcholic and died when he was 13, His grandparents took him and his 3 brothers in, His grandmother died when he was 14, and his grandad died when he was 18. which was when he and his brothers had started to rent a house together.
After a lot of discussion it became fairly obvious that the guy and his brothers, had never really faced up to all the deaths of their familiy members, and that before he made any decisons about travelling ...he needed to recognise and face up to his feelings a bit more...
quite a few of the group had parents who had died young, or who were currently terminally ill....so they had some very sensible advice and questions....
So this was what the group suggested he do, before he went anywhere he should go into himself and work out his own feelings, and deal with the grief......and they added in for good measure....why not move out of the shared house with his brothers, maybe with his girlfriend and become more independent?
and why not think a bit more about whether he really wanted to travel, by doing a few more short tem holiday projects...like going camping abroad? And once he had done this then he could consider travelling in a few years ......??
and in a really really poignant moment .....the guy had been privately worrying that becasue he was the last person to see his father on the night he died, that he could or should have done more to prevent his death....(aged 13) One of the 50, said that before she retired, she had been a specialist nurse dealing with patients with alcholism, and that there was absolutely nothing he could have done to prevent his fathers death......Alcohol can really mess up someones system, and once its reached a certain stage, its almost impossible for anyone, even a specialised crash team at a hospital to revive someone.
The guy ended up in floods of tears...but i do think that was a piece of advice he really needed to hear...to take away his guilt....
it was like a massive group of aunts, uncles and friends all giving him good rational and reasoned advice......and i think the guy was incredbly grateful for it....
Wow, what a lot going on inside that guy's head!
I did think it was odd that he lives with his brothers and his girlfriend - although obviously financially sound, it is a strange situation for the girl to be in. Did he say anything about her, she doesn't seem to come into his decisions at all.
I agree with you about this case, augusta. I am totally flummoxed by these parents. I can't believe that they didn't know that something had been going on, even if they didn't know exactly what. For me, the most important thing with my children was to build up trust that whatever they did, I would be there to listen and advise, even if I didn't like what they were doing. That's why I won't go on FB which I think of as my children's domain. And that's why my daughter has always told me everything that has ever happened to her - some of it stuff I wasn't happy with, but to me it's always been important to keep the lines of communication open. Then at least you can try and advise (preferably without losing your temper - not always easy) or you have fair warning and can gear yourself up to dealing with it.
I let my children do anything they wanted, as long as I always knew where they were. As OH said the other day, they might not always have been where they said they were, but I was always reassured because if they were in any trouble, I would always go and fetch them, whatever time of night it was.
And I also understand what teenagers go through because I went through a lot of it myself but had no one to talk to about it. My parents were fairly liberal in their attitudes to most things but they would always worry hugely, so I guess I didn't tell them everything. Whereas my daughter - thank goodness - has no compunction about telling me everything - even though she'll preface some things with 'I know you'll be upset, angry, worried, but ......'
The other thing about this case: I think the way it's been dealt with by the police, parents and other authorities, including school and the social services, has not been good. If they were informed about it, they should have at least investigated it. I bet they thought, oh, she's 15, we've got more important things to do. Bit like the attitudes in Rochdale. When I was a governor such a circumstance never arose, although the infamous Chris Woodhead was a teacher at a school in our County, but I'm sure the school would have been onto it and would have made sure the governors knew, who would have made sure investigations were carried out. I mean, it could have just been malicious, jealous schoolgirl gossip.
And I don't think it's being dealt with correctly now, either. Yes, it's terrible what the teacher has done. But if I were them, I wouldn't come anywhere near this country, until all the fuss had died down. Why would you? They knew she'd gone off with the teacher. It was a longer term relationship than it had been made out to be. But to set up a big manhunt like this won't help or solve anything.