Well when I find a job: I cut and paste the details and in those job details on the left hand side there is "Date Posted". I then add a headline above those details saying something like:
Friday 14/02/14: Found on UJM: Emailed CV plus cover note to given email address.
General Dogsbody (No Company Stated)
Job No: 5444554
Date posted: 14/02/14
all other job details here.
I do that with every job found that I think I can do and so shows that on that date you did that and on another date you did something else. Cover the two week since you late signed and all should be OK.
I don't actually find things every single day and at least my advisor knows that it doesn't work like that. Some days lots of applications, some day sod all! As long as over that 2 weeks, you have found a vague number that they consider enough, then all is OK.
I always keep a list of which jobs I've applied for and which date I did it on. I think I'll also write down the job number as well.
On the upside, the fake jobs come in handy when you've not reached your demanded number of applications in that signing on period.
Yes I do actually agree with that. Whilst I do really want a job, sometimes, despite what some may say, there are just not the jobs available in that two week period.
So yes, why risk losing money on a technicality when you can pad out and fill up on bogus jobs. In fact you can list the same job twice or more just as they are listed on UJM of different days but you can see it's the same bogus non-specified generic job. It's there, you have applied for it and used UJM.
But obviously it is a god-send to those who don't want a job as they can and do just cut and paste any old rubbish and that' that.
So they will have to do something about it as some are getting away with murder.
I've always thought fake jobs were posted. There's so many jobs posted every single day going under casual titles like "Shop assistant" and "Cafe worker" with very vague job descriptions and absolutely no mention of location, wage or name of company. They're posted every single day and it's sooo frustrating. It drives me ****ing mental.
It is easy to fall for when desperate for a job , that is the only one i have heard of and i very nearly applied. They were offering pay higher than minimum wage , a great job considering. I feel relieved yet sickened by this news.
People actually trying to look for work exploited like that , that guy is raking in money while unemployed waste time applying for bogus jobs when they could apply for genuine ones. There are little jobs worth applying for that are entry level as it is.
Yet i don't see the government harassing these scum businesses , most unemployed are the victims (those putting in the effort) , applying for jobs isn't has simple when you've got dodgy jobs everywhere. This gets mixed in with real jobs , it makes real companies look bad as well.
It is not just this scam , there is obvious fake jobs anything self-employed basically commissions only , never risk signing off for a job where you will likely not even earn a £1. Same with bogus charity collecting. Job centres who try to force people to take anything is sickening , you cant pay the bills on £0 yep its one less unemployed to boost the figures but a week later when the reality of the fake job you got excited about getting hits home its back on benefits.
makes you question applying for anything in case there is the risk its a scam job when they are paying to have your information - things like an address. I wouldn't people like him knowing things like that.
There is enough things to avoid and think about when applying for jobs without worrying about who to trust.
My nephew who is a JCP advisor was told in no uncertain terms to shut up or face disciplinary action because he made a noise about these fake job sites, so don't blame the staff please, they have their own jobs to worry about....
There are some decent staff in job centres , we have had a couple who do care and want to help. Once we were without money for at least a month because has usual the office staff who process claims messed up (they are the rubbish staff if anything & it has happened several times). We cried in fear thinking we would be homeless , we had no food either and no money to buy any. It took me being in tears at the job centre to this one kind staff member to help us. We got our back pay but we were close to losing everything. They forget with there mistakes and also sanctions that people who often do nothing wrong and are genuine job hunters could lose there homes. Some don't care & find it funny.
There are nasty jc staff , not all of them are without blame. I don't blame all of them though , some of them want to help and do there job how it should be done. Your nephew for instance did the right thing but i dont blame him for keepign quiet , hes lucky he has a job at all. It those higher up who should be sacked , heartless scum plain and simple.
What i don't get is why keep quiet about scam jobs , if there are no jobs at the end then they will still be on benefits. Surely it is a waste of time.
I don't have a printer. Only received one or two actual responses via email to acknowledge that I'd applied.
The rest nothing.
As a single parent it's scary.
Especially as I only just realised it's not only your JSA that gets stopped if you are sanctioned but your rent etc as well.
And some think we are all laughing it up on benefits. Most of us who know the reality would rather be working knowing we are safe than be fearing we could lose our money and be homeless. We all have rent , bills and food to pay. What does sanctioning solve , mostly sanctioning innocent people as some kind of sick game. Making people homeless , its fine thinking they better get a job then , its hard enough getting jobs knowing you are getting your benefit. Without the panic knowing you need it to survive.
They are the ones in the wrong 99% of the time. I'm on a joint claim and due to my partner in and out of shitty jobs we have signed on and off a few times. Our claims haven't been restarted properly. The office staff shouldn't have there jobs , they are incompetent , most of us unemployed should have their jobs. We had to survive on left over wages. Once we were without money owed for a month. We were close to filing a formal complaint , we had no food and were behind on the rent. I broke down in the job centre & someone took us seriously. Thankfully we got our back pay owed.
I agree about the rent , if the job centre mess up housing benefit is cancelled. It isn't right how they are linked , it happened to us once i think. They realized there mistake and got it fixed. It ended up delaying the payment for a week , none of that our fault.
Then we have the premium phone lines we have to phone when they mess up, we spent £30 that one time they messed up phoning , we actually wanted that refunded. Obviously people on benefits have no jobs and little money so why make them worse off , the government have no basic common sense.
Most of the time benefits has been hell , we were hardly better off when my partner was working. Without kids you have to be 25 for any help with working tax credits , i also find that sickening. But at least we knew he was getting paid every week.
Oh course the Government won't do anything to stop it as if you take out all the bogus jobs, all that will be left is semi-bogus jobs of self-employed catalogue delivering.
And if you remove them, then Christ will it show the 3 actual jobs that have been added on a good day.
This way they are still talk down to the unemployed and act like as there are 1000s of jobs listed, it must be all their fault if they haven't got a job. So they can publicise this propaganda and be seen as doing right by sanctioning all these obvious scroungers.
It political bollocks with the unemployed being the only loser.
The government paid £2.5 million for the website to be run by a private American company, job centre staff turn a blind eye to it as advised by management.
You are effectively sending your CV (life history) & private information to a bunch of criminals situation right across the globe. The government know it's going on but is politically ignored, as the government can say "well we have 500,000 jobs" and nobody is taking them.
Avoid this site at all costs, many of my friends have checked their credit file since sending CV's off to find many loan/credit card applications since sending them off.
Stick to reed.co.uk and indeed.co.uk
I like Indeed and use it a lot.
It's an aggregation site that searches the bigger, well know job sites and presents available jobs in an easy to use way. That is how UJM should have been designed in my opinion.
It just makes the task of not finding work but still claiming benefit easier, All the DWP are interested in are the number of genuine jobs you apply for, therefore if you can find all the fake looking jobs and just apply for dozen of those each week, quoting a UJM job id, then you will not get sanctioned and sleep peacfully until lunch time knowing you will never be asked to attend an interview for a job that dosn't exist.
I had not thought of it like this, the Job Centre, cant say that job application does not count, as its obviously a fake job.
Just another example of the government being totally clueless, and being only worried about PR and stats, rather than actually finding people jobs.
You guys do know that you dont actually have to use UJM?
They can mandate that you sign up to it, but they cannot force you to use it. Yes, I am unemployed, and have NEVER used UJM. Instead, I prefer to go directly to the recruiting sites/agencies myself (bookmarked over time of course)
Then I have set up an account with specific search criteria, and when a match/s come though, I get emailed the relevent details each day. Hence the jobs offers come to me !
I then print out the jobs I applied for, as well as write it out on their own sheet.
Yes, Im sure ive applied for plenty of bogus jobs, but not via UJM !
If you actually want a decent job. The government run Job Centre is a waste of time for your search. Most good companies do not use the jobcentre. imho.
There's a new cynical move afoot from Ian Duncan Smith.
At the moment if you are sanctioned you can apply for hardship payments. They are just another benefit of course, and once your sanction is up you go back onto JSA or ESA as long as you stick to the rules.
However his latest plans are to treat hardship payments as a loan instead, which you will have to pay back from your ESA or JSA when you return to full benefits. So someone sanctioned who claims those hardship payments will end up in debt to the tune of several hundred pounds, and possibly several thousand if sanctioned for a full three years.
Given how easy it is to be sanctioned now that's going to drive a lot of people, some of whom will be deserving of a sanction, some of whom wont be and may have been sanctioned just to meet targets, even further into poverty.
It's also likely a good percentage simply wont claim hardship payments, as they will be afraid of getting themselves into debt if they do and don't want to end up stuck trying to pay it back for years to come.
The other problem of course is that anyone who does claim hardship payments will likely now have even less to live on once they go back on JSA. So in many cases they will have to pay some rent, some Council Tax and now a repayment of their Hardship loan. That's going to make it even more difficult to stick to the rules, jobsearch, afford broadband, pay for bus fares etc. etc. and so increases their chances of being sanctioned again, this time for a longer period.
Last time I signed on the two guys in front of me were both complaining about the same thing.
One of them had printed out all the jobs applied for because he says it happens all the time, and the last time he was threatened with a sanction.
I printed out an email I received from UJM because I'd had to contact them because my log in simply stopped working. They acknowledged there was a problem, suggested making a new account or waiting three weeks until they "purged the databases", utterly ridiculous situation. I took it with me and showed it to the JC advisor to demonstrate I was physically unable to use UJM because of their error!
I went to sign on yesterday for what I suspect will be the last time now I've got my new part time job (at £9 per hour so if I do the full 15 hours I'll be earning more than JSA) and trying to explain to them that a) I hadn't done any paid work yet as the first two weeks were a bedding in period of working out when my hours would be/what I'd be expected to do etc, and b) filling in a form for a company which is online based and for which I work from home so there isn't a company address/phone number or a gross annual salary (as it's not fixed hours), was a total joke.
I'm expecting to find out that when I sign off they're going to ask me to pay them back money from the last two weeks (when I haven't actually done any paid work) as it was impossible to fill out the form and point out I hadn't received any money for it!
I printed out an email I received from UJM because I'd had to contact them because my log in simply stopped working. They acknowledged there was a problem, suggested making a new account or waiting three weeks until they "purged the databases", utterly ridiculous situation. I took it with me and showed it to the JC advisor to demonstrate I was physically unable to use UJM because of their error!
I went to sign on yesterday for what I suspect will be the last time now I've got my new part time job (at £9 per hour so if I do the full 15 hours I'll be earning more than JSA) and trying to explain to them that a) I hadn't done any paid work yet as the first two weeks were a bedding in period of working out when my hours would be/what I'd be expected to do etc, and b) filling in a form for a company which is online based and for which I work from home so there isn't a company address/phone number or a gross annual salary (as it's not fixed hours), was a total joke.
I'm expecting to find out that when I sign off they're going to ask me to pay them back money from the last two weeks (when I haven't actually done any paid work) as it was impossible to fill out the form and point out I hadn't received any money for it!
I had a problem signing into my original UJM account and I emailed them about it but gave up waiting for a reply and just made a new one. When I tell my adviser about it next week she'll no doubt have something to say about that.
Whilst I have registered on UJM as you have to, I very rarely actually sign in as 98% of the jobs on there don't require it and just take you to another website. And not just bogus agencies but Boots, Asda, Royal Mail, Civil Service and many, many more have their own websites where you apply. I can't remember when I last logged in.
So allowing them access would be pointless as there is nothing there for them to see.
Whilst I have registered on UJM as you have to, I very rarely actually sign in as 98% of the jobs on there don't require it and just take you to another website. And not just bogus agencies but Boots, Asda, Royal Mail, Civil Service and many, many more have their own websites where you apply. I can't remember when I last logged in.
So allowing them access would be pointless as there is nothing there for them to see.
bogus jobs aside, this is why the governments idea of company's both posting jobs, and using UJM as a way to let people apply for jobs, is idiotic and shows how out of touch they are. Most if not all big company's will use there own websites, even if its just to download a branded application form, those companys have no interest in using UJM as a way to apply.
On a similar level, you need to be careful with Indeed, alot of people swear by it, and it seems like a good website, BUT my employer did not know the job was advertised on indeed, and I would be very careful about applying for a job, via a website, if the employer does not themselves know its advertised on there.
It should go without saying, but when applying for a job always best to apply to the actual employer where possible, obviously with known agency's this is a different story, but application via some random job website with a generic name, is always going to be suspect to me.
As someone who works in the employment world. I agree with just about everything that everyone says here. A lot of jobs on UJM are fake. I have to deal with this every day.
What I teach people is not to ultimately rely on the job center the way to get a job these days is to go around talking to people, creating the networks, getting the contacts knocking on doors and creating the opportunities for yourself. This is a lot better then just forwarding a CV...
However on the other side the I see so many appalling CVs, even ones created by the job centre and other agencies. People still struggle with what a CV is, what you write on it, lay out, design, context an a lot more. I had one job centre (birmingham in kings heath)telling people to put web links to wikipedia on your CV in your interests, to back that up.... What the fudge!!!! Anyway, it goes both ways, you write a cv to fit a job start with a generic one and use the words in the job description to fit to the application, also do your home work on the company your applying to as well...
But then I run employment workshops for people with mental health issues, so tis a lot harder as i have to deal with people who have many issues, but its a very successful program. but about to loose funding while the big companies who run the government contracts hoover it all up and are no where near to the success rate I have.. anyway grumble grumble... Plan C time
bogus jobs aside, this is why the governments idea of company's both posting jobs, and using UJM as a way to let people apply for jobs, is idiotic and shows how out of touch they are. Most if not all big company's will use there own websites, even if its just to download a branded application form, those companys have no interest in using UJM as a way to apply.
On a similar level, you need to be careful with Indeed, alot of people swear by it, and it seems like a good website, BUT my employer did not know the job was advertised on indeed, and I would be very careful about applying for a job, via a website, if the employer does not themselves know its advertised on there.
It should go without saying, but when applying for a job always best to apply to the actual employer where possible, obviously with known agency's this is a different story, but application via some random job website with a generic name, is always going to be suspect to me.
Indeed is actually a search site, you don't actually apply for the job via Indeed. When you click on Apply it takes you to the original jobsearch website, such as Jobstoday, Jobserve, CWJobs, Monster, Fish4jobs etc.
1) What I teach people is not to ultimately rely on the job center the way to get a job these days is to go around talking to people, creating the networks, getting the contacts knocking on doors and creating the opportunities for yourself.
2)I had one job centre (birmingham in kings heath)telling people to put web links to wikipedia on your CV in your interests, to back that up.... What the fudge!!!!
1) this is the problem with UJM and DWP wanting it to be at the heart of the person jobsearch, it makes it harded for people to do those other things, and have it counted as proper jobsearch by DWP.
2) I would have laughed as hard at that, had someone told that to me. It really is a shambles.
What ive learnt from my current job is that personal specifications are a nightmare, and the only right way to fill it in, being how the employer decides the right way is, two similar documents would a very different response from two different employers, even if they contained basically the same information, and this is something the local Work Program just dont have a handle on.
Indeed is actually a search site, you don't actually apply for the job via Indeed. When you click on Apply it takes you to the original jobsearch website, such as Jobstoday, Jobserve, CWJobs, Monster, Fish4jobs etc.
there are some jobs on Indeed which you can apply for via Indeed.
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I always keep a list of which jobs I've applied for and which date I did it on. I think I'll also write down the job number as well.
Yes I do actually agree with that. Whilst I do really want a job, sometimes, despite what some may say, there are just not the jobs available in that two week period.
So yes, why risk losing money on a technicality when you can pad out and fill up on bogus jobs. In fact you can list the same job twice or more just as they are listed on UJM of different days but you can see it's the same bogus non-specified generic job. It's there, you have applied for it and used UJM.
But obviously it is a god-send to those who don't want a job as they can and do just cut and paste any old rubbish and that' that.
So they will have to do something about it as some are getting away with murder.
Well yes there is nothing to stop you writing it all out by hand. There is no law that says that it has to be printed.
With the unique job number it at least says that you have been on UJM and looked at that job or else you couldn't have seen to Job Number.
It is easy to fall for when desperate for a job , that is the only one i have heard of and i very nearly applied. They were offering pay higher than minimum wage , a great job considering. I feel relieved yet sickened by this news.
People actually trying to look for work exploited like that , that guy is raking in money while unemployed waste time applying for bogus jobs when they could apply for genuine ones. There are little jobs worth applying for that are entry level as it is.
Yet i don't see the government harassing these scum businesses , most unemployed are the victims (those putting in the effort) , applying for jobs isn't has simple when you've got dodgy jobs everywhere. This gets mixed in with real jobs , it makes real companies look bad as well.
It is not just this scam , there is obvious fake jobs anything self-employed basically commissions only , never risk signing off for a job where you will likely not even earn a £1. Same with bogus charity collecting. Job centres who try to force people to take anything is sickening , you cant pay the bills on £0 yep its one less unemployed to boost the figures but a week later when the reality of the fake job you got excited about getting hits home its back on benefits.
makes you question applying for anything in case there is the risk its a scam job when they are paying to have your information - things like an address. I wouldn't people like him knowing things like that.
There is enough things to avoid and think about when applying for jobs without worrying about who to trust.
There are some decent staff in job centres , we have had a couple who do care and want to help. Once we were without money for at least a month because has usual the office staff who process claims messed up (they are the rubbish staff if anything & it has happened several times). We cried in fear thinking we would be homeless , we had no food either and no money to buy any. It took me being in tears at the job centre to this one kind staff member to help us. We got our back pay but we were close to losing everything. They forget with there mistakes and also sanctions that people who often do nothing wrong and are genuine job hunters could lose there homes. Some don't care & find it funny.
There are nasty jc staff , not all of them are without blame. I don't blame all of them though , some of them want to help and do there job how it should be done. Your nephew for instance did the right thing but i dont blame him for keepign quiet , hes lucky he has a job at all. It those higher up who should be sacked , heartless scum plain and simple.
What i don't get is why keep quiet about scam jobs , if there are no jobs at the end then they will still be on benefits. Surely it is a waste of time.
And some think we are all laughing it up on benefits. Most of us who know the reality would rather be working knowing we are safe than be fearing we could lose our money and be homeless. We all have rent , bills and food to pay. What does sanctioning solve , mostly sanctioning innocent people as some kind of sick game. Making people homeless , its fine thinking they better get a job then , its hard enough getting jobs knowing you are getting your benefit. Without the panic knowing you need it to survive.
They are the ones in the wrong 99% of the time. I'm on a joint claim and due to my partner in and out of shitty jobs we have signed on and off a few times. Our claims haven't been restarted properly. The office staff shouldn't have there jobs , they are incompetent , most of us unemployed should have their jobs. We had to survive on left over wages. Once we were without money owed for a month. We were close to filing a formal complaint , we had no food and were behind on the rent. I broke down in the job centre & someone took us seriously. Thankfully we got our back pay owed.
I agree about the rent , if the job centre mess up housing benefit is cancelled. It isn't right how they are linked , it happened to us once i think. They realized there mistake and got it fixed. It ended up delaying the payment for a week , none of that our fault.
Then we have the premium phone lines we have to phone when they mess up, we spent £30 that one time they messed up phoning , we actually wanted that refunded. Obviously people on benefits have no jobs and little money so why make them worse off , the government have no basic common sense.
Most of the time benefits has been hell , we were hardly better off when my partner was working. Without kids you have to be 25 for any help with working tax credits , i also find that sickening. But at least we knew he was getting paid every week.
And if you remove them, then Christ will it show the 3 actual jobs that have been added on a good day.
This way they are still talk down to the unemployed and act like as there are 1000s of jobs listed, it must be all their fault if they haven't got a job. So they can publicise this propaganda and be seen as doing right by sanctioning all these obvious scroungers.
It political bollocks with the unemployed being the only loser.
I will need to take my contact details off my cv then, god knows what they might do with them.
As a single parent, it is annoying they dont have an hours dont suit option. yeah the 5pm-10pm admin jobs..bah!
I like Indeed and use it a lot.
It's an aggregation site that searches the bigger, well know job sites and presents available jobs in an easy to use way. That is how UJM should have been designed in my opinion.
Just another example of the government being totally clueless, and being only worried about PR and stats, rather than actually finding people jobs.
They can mandate that you sign up to it, but they cannot force you to use it. Yes, I am unemployed, and have NEVER used UJM. Instead, I prefer to go directly to the recruiting sites/agencies myself (bookmarked over time of course)
Then I have set up an account with specific search criteria, and when a match/s come though, I get emailed the relevent details each day. Hence the jobs offers come to me !
I then print out the jobs I applied for, as well as write it out on their own sheet.
Yes, Im sure ive applied for plenty of bogus jobs, but not via UJM !
A CV without contact details?
Who does that work then?
At the moment if you are sanctioned you can apply for hardship payments. They are just another benefit of course, and once your sanction is up you go back onto JSA or ESA as long as you stick to the rules.
However his latest plans are to treat hardship payments as a loan instead, which you will have to pay back from your ESA or JSA when you return to full benefits. So someone sanctioned who claims those hardship payments will end up in debt to the tune of several hundred pounds, and possibly several thousand if sanctioned for a full three years.
Given how easy it is to be sanctioned now that's going to drive a lot of people, some of whom will be deserving of a sanction, some of whom wont be and may have been sanctioned just to meet targets, even further into poverty.
It's also likely a good percentage simply wont claim hardship payments, as they will be afraid of getting themselves into debt if they do and don't want to end up stuck trying to pay it back for years to come.
The other problem of course is that anyone who does claim hardship payments will likely now have even less to live on once they go back on JSA. So in many cases they will have to pay some rent, some Council Tax and now a repayment of their Hardship loan. That's going to make it even more difficult to stick to the rules, jobsearch, afford broadband, pay for bus fares etc. etc. and so increases their chances of being sanctioned again, this time for a longer period.
I printed out an email I received from UJM because I'd had to contact them because my log in simply stopped working. They acknowledged there was a problem, suggested making a new account or waiting three weeks until they "purged the databases", utterly ridiculous situation. I took it with me and showed it to the JC advisor to demonstrate I was physically unable to use UJM because of their error!
I went to sign on yesterday for what I suspect will be the last time now I've got my new part time job (at £9 per hour so if I do the full 15 hours I'll be earning more than JSA) and trying to explain to them that a) I hadn't done any paid work yet as the first two weeks were a bedding in period of working out when my hours would be/what I'd be expected to do etc, and b) filling in a form for a company which is online based and for which I work from home so there isn't a company address/phone number or a gross annual salary (as it's not fixed hours), was a total joke.
I'm expecting to find out that when I sign off they're going to ask me to pay them back money from the last two weeks (when I haven't actually done any paid work) as it was impossible to fill out the form and point out I hadn't received any money for it!
I had a problem signing into my original UJM account and I emailed them about it but gave up waiting for a reply and just made a new one. When I tell my adviser about it next week she'll no doubt have something to say about that.
You just can't win with them sometimes.
So allowing them access would be pointless as there is nothing there for them to see.
On a similar level, you need to be careful with Indeed, alot of people swear by it, and it seems like a good website, BUT my employer did not know the job was advertised on indeed, and I would be very careful about applying for a job, via a website, if the employer does not themselves know its advertised on there.
It should go without saying, but when applying for a job always best to apply to the actual employer where possible, obviously with known agency's this is a different story, but application via some random job website with a generic name, is always going to be suspect to me.
What I teach people is not to ultimately rely on the job center the way to get a job these days is to go around talking to people, creating the networks, getting the contacts knocking on doors and creating the opportunities for yourself. This is a lot better then just forwarding a CV...
However on the other side the I see so many appalling CVs, even ones created by the job centre and other agencies. People still struggle with what a CV is, what you write on it, lay out, design, context an a lot more. I had one job centre (birmingham in kings heath)telling people to put web links to wikipedia on your CV in your interests, to back that up.... What the fudge!!!! Anyway, it goes both ways, you write a cv to fit a job start with a generic one and use the words in the job description to fit to the application, also do your home work on the company your applying to as well...
But then I run employment workshops for people with mental health issues, so tis a lot harder as i have to deal with people who have many issues, but its a very successful program. but about to loose funding while the big companies who run the government contracts hoover it all up and are no where near to the success rate I have.. anyway grumble grumble... Plan C time
Indeed is actually a search site, you don't actually apply for the job via Indeed. When you click on Apply it takes you to the original jobsearch website, such as Jobstoday, Jobserve, CWJobs, Monster, Fish4jobs etc.
1) this is the problem with UJM and DWP wanting it to be at the heart of the person jobsearch, it makes it harded for people to do those other things, and have it counted as proper jobsearch by DWP.
2) I would have laughed as hard at that, had someone told that to me. It really is a shambles.
What ive learnt from my current job is that personal specifications are a nightmare, and the only right way to fill it in, being how the employer decides the right way is, two similar documents would a very different response from two different employers, even if they contained basically the same information, and this is something the local Work Program just dont have a handle on.