Does anyone know if the slot could be still used or has it been lost. I thought under FRND EPG rules it had to be reactivated within 30 days, certainly to retain the same LCN?
It returned on 8th September but was removed again on 29th September.
I thought it had made another comeback since. Strathclyde will be the best man in the know if, under Sky's EPG allocation code, if this LCN can be re-sold or if once 30 days has expired then it's gone forever?
I don't see any reason why it should not be FTA there are no rights issues involved and it is available worldwide online. Putting it on the UK EPG would go down well with Irish expats in GB, allowing live viewing of RTE news bulletins and Prime Time etc.
Are there any rights invo;ved with content they buy in from agencies such as Reuters and others?
I thought it had made another comeback since. Strathclyde will be the best man in the know if, under Sky's EPG allocation code, if this LCN can be re-sold or if once 30 days has expired then it's gone forever?
Sky is pretty strict in enforcing their rule that if a channel is off-air, the EPG agreement is suspended, then after 30 days it is terminated. The slot is lost, and cannot be sold/reused. There are however a few "exceptional circumstances" where the off-air period might be extended.
What can also happen is that while the lapsing agreement is suspended, it can be transferred to ("bought by") a new owner. The 'new' channel might belong in a different genre, so the replacement channel could well appear, under the old EPG Agreement, in another genre (at the end of that genre). An EPG agreement relates to a channel, not to a specific EPG slot.
Sky DOES enforce very strictly the FRND rule that if a new owner takes over the EPG agreement, it will only get to use the existing slot if (of course) it belongs in the same genre. If the slot is thus vacated as above, the empty slot cannot be filled , and the slot is "lost" forever, until the next genre reshuffle, and the gaps are squeezed up.
Sky is pretty strict in enforcing their rule that if a channel is off-air, the EPG agreement is suspended, then after 30 days it is terminated. The slot is lost, and cannot be sold/reused. There are however a few "exceptional circumstances" where the off-air period might be extended.
What can also happen is that while the lapsing agreement is suspended, it can be transferred to ("bought by") a new owner. The 'new' channel might belong in a different genre, so the replacement channel could well appear, under the old EPG Agreement, in another genre (at the end of that genre). An EPG agreement relates to a channel, not to a specific EPG slot.
Sky DOES enforce very strictly the FRND rule that if a new owner takes over the EPG agreement, it will only get to use the existing slot if (of course) it belongs in the same genre. If the slot is thus vacated as above, the empty slot cannot be filled , and the slot is "lost" forever, until the next genre reshuffle, and the gaps are squeezed up.
Many thanks Strathclyde for that explanation. It was the 30 day rule I was interested in clarifying. If indeed Africa Channel is gone for good then I'd assume (they'd be daft not to) sell that slot to recoup any losses rather than let it go.
I'm aware of one pending channel launch before Christmas, not in the Entertainment genre so maybe they've purchased the slot to go at end of the appropriate genre.
Many thanks Strathclyde for that explanation. It was the 30 day rule I was interested in clarifying. If indeed Africa Channel is gone for good then I'd assume (they'd be daft not to) sell that slot to recoup any losses rather than let it go.
I'm aware of one pending channel launch before Christmas, not in the Entertainment genre so maybe they've purchased the slot to go at end of the appropriate genre.
Transferring an EPG slot from a company which is dire financial straits is high risk (for the buyer), as a lot can go wrong.. If the company is already in administration, it's even more risky.
Chapter and verse on the Sky rules is in the "Method for allocating listings in Sky's EPG" document, hidden away on the Sky Corporate website at http://corporate.sky.com/regulatory - select the regulatory dropdown, and it's the first item.
The document takes some understanding, and has also to be read in conjunction with Sky's standard "EPG Listing Agreement" which is the contract with the Broadcaster - but they don't publish the standard form of that.
Transferring an EPG slot from a company which is dire financial straits is high risk (for the buyer), as a lot can go wrong.. If the company is already in administration, it's even more risky.
Chapter and verse on the Sky rules is in the "Method for allocating listings in Sky's EPG" document, hidden away on the Sky Corporate website at http://corporate.sky.com/regulatory - select the regulatory dropdown, and it's the first item.
The document takes some understanding, and has also to be read in conjunction with Sky's standard "EPG Listing Agreement" which is the contract with the Broadcaster - but they don't publish the standard form of that.
Cheers, I'll have a read through that at some point. I thought if a company was in administration then the administrators would be wanting to sell the EPG slot to recoup other money for creditors, especially with it being a valuable asset dependant on its placement within the relevant genre?
British Eurosport & British Eurosport HD now showing on the EPG as Eurosport 1 & Eurosport 1 HD
They've had an on screen re-fresh too looking now. New logos and dropped "British". Although I haven't looked in a while so this may have already happened.
Cheers, I'll have a read through that at some point. I thought if a company was in administration then the administrators would be wanting to sell the EPG slot to recoup other money for creditors, especially with it being a valuable asset dependant on its placement within the relevant genre?
Well, the Directors of the company are no longer in charge once it's actually in Adminstration, and the Administrators aren't necessarily aware of concepts like realising cash from the trading of an EPG slot, and are unwilling to get into a complicated process. Plus, Sky will in any event want paying in full any outstanding debt due to them, before they will agree to a transfer.
I've rescued a few EPG slots from companies in Administration, but it's not for the faint-hearted.
Well, the Directors of the company are no longer in charge once it's actually in Adminstration, and the Administrators aren't necessarily aware of concepts like realising cash from the trading of an EPG slot, and are unwilling to get into a complicated process. Plus, Sky will in any event want paying in full any outstanding debt due to them, before they will agree to a transfer.
I've rescued a few EPG slots from companies in Administration, but it's not for the faint-hearted.
Do we know for sure that they have gone into administration? Their Facebook page is carrying on as though the removal of the UK Channel never happened!
Their website is still up, but the TV listings are now blank. They were previously being updated even when the channel was off air/the EPG.
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It returned on 8th September but was removed again on 29th September.
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'Ummah CH+1' has been relabelled as 'Muslim Ummah'.
I thought it had made another comeback since. Strathclyde will be the best man in the know if, under Sky's EPG allocation code, if this LCN can be re-sold or if once 30 days has expired then it's gone forever?
Are there any rights invo;ved with content they buy in from agencies such as Reuters and others?
Sky is pretty strict in enforcing their rule that if a channel is off-air, the EPG agreement is suspended, then after 30 days it is terminated. The slot is lost, and cannot be sold/reused. There are however a few "exceptional circumstances" where the off-air period might be extended.
What can also happen is that while the lapsing agreement is suspended, it can be transferred to ("bought by") a new owner. The 'new' channel might belong in a different genre, so the replacement channel could well appear, under the old EPG Agreement, in another genre (at the end of that genre). An EPG agreement relates to a channel, not to a specific EPG slot.
Sky DOES enforce very strictly the FRND rule that if a new owner takes over the EPG agreement, it will only get to use the existing slot if (of course) it belongs in the same genre. If the slot is thus vacated as above, the empty slot cannot be filled , and the slot is "lost" forever, until the next genre reshuffle, and the gaps are squeezed up.
I think it's been posted before, but it's from 6am on Wednesday 16 December 2015 to 6am on Wednesday 6 January 2016.
Thank you for that.
Usually not. Sometimes there may be a restriction on certain footage like "not to be used in China".
Many thanks Strathclyde for that explanation. It was the 30 day rule I was interested in clarifying. If indeed Africa Channel is gone for good then I'd assume (they'd be daft not to) sell that slot to recoup any losses rather than let it go.
I'm aware of one pending channel launch before Christmas, not in the Entertainment genre so maybe they've purchased the slot to go at end of the appropriate genre.
Transferring an EPG slot from a company which is dire financial straits is high risk (for the buyer), as a lot can go wrong.. If the company is already in administration, it's even more risky.
Chapter and verse on the Sky rules is in the "Method for allocating listings in Sky's EPG" document, hidden away on the Sky Corporate website at http://corporate.sky.com/regulatory - select the regulatory dropdown, and it's the first item.
The document takes some understanding, and has also to be read in conjunction with Sky's standard "EPG Listing Agreement" which is the contract with the Broadcaster - but they don't publish the standard form of that.
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Cheers, I'll have a read through that at some point. I thought if a company was in administration then the administrators would be wanting to sell the EPG slot to recoup other money for creditors, especially with it being a valuable asset dependant on its placement within the relevant genre?
They've had an on screen re-fresh too looking now. New logos and dropped "British". Although I haven't looked in a while so this may have already happened.
Well, the Directors of the company are no longer in charge once it's actually in Adminstration, and the Administrators aren't necessarily aware of concepts like realising cash from the trading of an EPG slot, and are unwilling to get into a complicated process. Plus, Sky will in any event want paying in full any outstanding debt due to them, before they will agree to a transfer.
I've rescued a few EPG slots from companies in Administration, but it's not for the faint-hearted.
Quick Question: whats 503 & 504 in the UK? Why I ask is I was thinking that RTÉ News Now & Oireachtas could be go onto 503 & 504 here in Ireland!
Sorry for any mistakes!!
502 is Bloomberg
503 is BBC News SD/HD
504 is BBC Parliament, so assuming that's not available in Ireland, wouldn't 503/504 be a likely position?
Yes in the Republic as they're not in use there but in Northern Ireland, no as they have BBC News & BBC Parliament on
Do we know for sure that they have gone into administration? Their Facebook page is carrying on as though the removal of the UK Channel never happened!
Their website is still up, but the TV listings are now blank. They were previously being updated even when the channel was off air/the EPG.
The thread will be changed still on a weekly basis, on Thursday this week
Week 47 will be posted around 19 November and will run for approx 1 week. Sky & Satellite Weekly News Thread week 46 can be found
Here