Should all dogs be muzzled when children are present?

Chief_WahooChief_Wahoo Posts: 1,454
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Sadly,yet another child killed by as dog.When will it all end? Why does it keep happening? Perhaps leaving a child alone with a large dog should be considered neglect.Or even ban people from having small children and large dogs.Certainly muzzling would be an easy thing to do for anyone with any common sense.

But then there is always some complete idiot who thinks that their dog is incapable of doing anything sinister.That is CRAP.No matter how smart you think your dog is,it is still just an animal that doesn't know right from wrong.And kids have no idea how vicious they can turn.It might only be one dog amongst thousands who can just snap,but when there are millions of dogs,that is too many potential situations where the unthinkable can happen.

Seriously,could you leave your child alone with a large dog and not worry in the least that nothing horrific could happen? There is ALWAYS a chance,however small.But if everyone muzzled their dogs when in the prescence of small children,there need never be another case like this.
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  • MoonbeanMoonbean Posts: 1,848
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    No, I don't think all dogs should be muzzled around children. It should be up to dog owners to know their own dog well enough to make this decision for themselves. However, I do agree with you that a dog should never be left alone with a small child, as you never quite know what a dog (or a child) will do when unsupervised!
  • molliepopsmolliepops Posts: 26,828
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    No not all dogs should be muzzled in the presence of children however close supervision should be second nature if you have children and dogs.

    Brought 3 and on occasions 4 up here with numerous dogs, some biters too but never ever had a dog/child incident because we managed the situation.
  • PorcupinePorcupine Posts: 25,246
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    My dogs are as soft as treacle, but I would never leave a child in a room alone with them. I certainly wouldn't muzzle my dogs in their own home - why should I. But if people visit with children, my dogs are either put away in the kitchen or they are with me / husband in the lounge being monitored.
  • Deep PurpleDeep Purple Posts: 63,255
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    Leaving a dog near a child is always a risk. Usually nothing happens, but when it does. :(
  • Swanandduck2Swanandduck2 Posts: 5,502
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    No, I don't think they should always be muzzled. But I do think some dog owners need to be much much more careful and considerate around other people. Leaving a dog alone with a small child is highly irresponsible; and allowing dogs to run around off leash in public places and bound up to strangers is rude and ignorant.
  • swehsweh Posts: 13,665
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    That's a decision for the relevant dog owner and/or parent to make.

    Should children be present around dogs? Should dogs be allowed near children? Should children be muzzled in the presence of a dog?

    There's too many variables to adopt a single policy. One would expect people to take necessary precautions in their given situation and not rely upon others to think on their behalf.
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 11,471
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    I disagree. I think it is a question of adequate supervision as others have said.
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 11,471
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    el_bardos wrote: »
    Problem is, the sort of idiot who puts their kid at risk by leaving them with a dog isn't the sort of person who would bother with any requirement to muzzle them anyway, and it's ultimately unenforceable in most situations too - you can't exactly go wandering into people's homes checking all the time.

    Very good point. Also i would hazard a guess that the deaths of children are not down to dogs not being muzzled, but rather them being in the hands of irresponsible owners and then being left alone with a child.
  • claire2281claire2281 Posts: 17,283
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    A lot of the problems are caused by adults getting pets that they don't really understand how to handle properly. You see it too commonly with a lot of pets but obviously dogs have a greater ability to cause damage when things go wrong. The issue of irresponsible owners is a very difficult one to tackle. And it isn't always wilful irresponsibility - as I understand the dog in question was a malamute; beautiful dogs but need very strong training.

    Personally I would never choose to have a dog and a baby/small child in the same house. They're better suited for older children imo. Obviously though I can understand that you'd be left with an impossibly hard decision if you got pregnant and already had a well loved pet.
  • ElyanElyan Posts: 8,781
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    Most of these attacks are carried out by yard dogs - or dogs not socialised with people outside the household.

    If your dog is socialised properly you cut the risk of him attacking anyone to almost zero.

    If you keep a dog in the outside yard for 90+% of the time, then bring him inside and let him roam around a room full of kids, don't be surprised if he turns and attacks one of them.
  • Mel94Mel94 Posts: 6,569
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    I personally think that for certain breeds of dogs - e.g. pit bulls, alsatians, rottweilers, etc - the owner(s) should be made to go on a dog handling course so they know how to discipline the dog correctly to keep them under control. So many people get these kinds of dogs and let them go untrained and out of control and can't stop them if they turn aggressive.
  • dazbdazb Posts: 3,247
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    Proper training of the dog helps but saying that a dog is a wild animal at the end of the day so sadly its instinct is to defend itself. And leaving a baby near a dog is just wrong sadly a 6 day old baby has lost her life and now the parents will suffer the terrible grief that will bring. We dont know the circumstances except the dog was an Alasan malmute which is not on the dangerous dogs list but then again it didnt need to be.
  • welwynrosewelwynrose Posts: 33,666
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    Mel94 wrote: »
    I personally think that for certain breeds of dogs - e.g. pit bulls, alsatians, rottweilers, etc - the owner(s) should be made to go on a dog handling course so they know how to discipline the dog correctly to keep them under control. So many people get these kinds of dogs and let them go untrained and out of control and can't stop them if they turn aggressive.


    All dog owners should at least go to puppy training whatever the breed of dog
  • ElyanElyan Posts: 8,781
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    Mel94 wrote: »
    I personally think that for certain breeds of dogs - e.g. pit bulls, alsatians, rottweilers, etc - the owner(s) should be made to go on a dog handling course so they know how to discipline the dog correctly to keep them under control. So many people get these kinds of dogs and let them go untrained and out of control and can't stop them if they turn aggressive.

    How would you enforce such an order?

    Anyone who gets an animal of any sort has a responsibility to manage it correctly. In the cas eof dogs that includes training it or having it trained.
  • Mel94Mel94 Posts: 6,569
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    welwynrose wrote: »
    All dog owners should at least go to puppy training whatever the breed of dog

    True. But it's especially important for the type of breeds who are known to be more vicious when they attack.
  • Mel94Mel94 Posts: 6,569
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    Elyan wrote: »
    How would you enforce such an order?

    Anyone who gets an animal of any sort has a responsibility to manage it correctly. In the cas eof dogs that includes training it or having it trained.

    Make it a legal necessity for an interested buyer to present a completion certificate for a course before they can take the dog. Might seem like a hassle for the owner, but it can have an impact in how well the dog is brought up, meaning it may be less likely to attack/kill.
  • Raquelos.Raquelos. Posts: 7,734
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    I would support all dogs being muzzled in all public places personally. In the home I don't think it's practical, enforceable or fair on the dog. People just need to be better informed about the potential danger of leaving dogs unattended with children about and more responsible about preventing this type of incident.
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    Mel94 wrote: »
    Make it a legal necessity for an interested buyer to present a completion certificate for a course before they can take the dog. Might seem like a hassle for the owner, but it can have an impact in how well the dog is brought up, meaning it may be less likely to attack/kill.

    It is an excellent idea but I am not sure if it can be enforced, wouldn't people just go through other sources to get dogs?
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 11,471
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    claire2281 wrote: »
    A lot of the problems are caused by adults getting pets that they don't really understand how to handle properly.

    That is the real issue here. I am not making this up honestly, but a woman living in my boyfriends building had two Irish wolfhounds in a second floor flat. Also a friend knows someone who has a huskie, again in a flat and never takes it out. I am sure others here have plenty of anecdotal evidence of people having dogs without the foggiest idea of how to look after them
  • wear thefoxhatwear thefoxhat Posts: 3,753
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    What on earth is going on! I'm in my 40's and for the first 30 odd years of life the number of people killed in this country by a dog was miniscule yet suddenly we've had what can only be described as a massive, indeed unprecedented statistical spike in the number of dog related deaths, what has changed so much in the last few years to cause this :confused:
  • Mel94Mel94 Posts: 6,569
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    Never Nude wrote: »
    It is an excellent idea but I am not sure if it can be enforced, wouldn't people just go through other sources to get dogs?

    I guess :( They'd probably be the same ignorant people who wouldn't care about their dog's behaviour in the first place. When the recent dog attack news happened with the baby being attacked in her crib, several of the neighbours said that they were scared of the dog and were too worried to even go onto the property with it there. Just shows that the owners didn't try to teach it any discipline at all, which is a horrible shame for the baby that was attacked :(
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    Another baby killed by a large, powerfully-jawed dog so soon after the last one. :(

    As I keep saying every time these deaths occur: as long as this type of dog is legal to own as a family pet, these needless deaths will continue to happen.
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 11,471
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    Mel94 wrote: »
    I guess :( They'd probably be the same ignorant people who wouldn't care about their dog's behaviour in the first place. When the recent dog attack news happened with the baby being attacked in her crib, several of the neighbours said that they were scared of the dog and were too worried to even go onto the property with it there. Just shows that the owners didn't try to teach it any discipline at all, which is a horrible shame for the baby that was attacked :(

    I do think your idea is a good one, perhaps I am being too cynical. There always will be people who keep animals they are not equipped to deal with, look at those people in America who keep monkeys and dress them up like children for instance. My cousin has the same breed of dog and honestly is it the softest, most sociable dog you could imagine. Really friendly and would never hurt a fly. However she has had her since a pup and to get to this stage took a lot of effort and training, and i mean a lot. It shows it is not the breed of dog which is an issue but the owner

    It is horrible for everyone involved, I just hope reports like this make people think twice before getting a dog.
  • CroctacusCroctacus Posts: 18,293
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    Bit reactionary. We have no details of the latest incident. I won't call it an attack because we don't know that it was, a dog that size could easily have laid on the child.

    I'm not in favour of muzzling any dogs which have never shown Amy signs of aggression.
  • molliepopsmolliepops Posts: 26,828
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    What on earth is going on! I'm in my 40's and for the first 30 odd years of life the number of people killed in this country by a dog was miniscule yet suddenly we've had what can only be described as a massive, indeed unprecedented statistical spike in the number of dog related deaths, what has changed so much in the last few years to cause this :confused:

    I wonder if it's fashions changing I remember as a child we never saw bull breeds it was all labs and spaniels. Since then we have seen dallys become fashionable, hand bag dogs took off for a while and now it's macho bull breeds in pet homes.
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