Trevor McDonald was on BBC Breakfast and he said he had kept in touch with Stanford and sends him books.
He obviously had an impact on Trev. I wonder if he keeps in touch with anyone else he met on there. I wouldn't mind getting a chance to do what Trev did - although I wonder if they'd let a female reporter have access in the same way?
Also, what happens when someone commits violence inside the prison like beating someone up? Does their ridiculously long sentence get further increased? Would there be another trial for this crime? Do they just get their privileges taken away?
I agree the british justice system is a joke. If it wasn't for the possible miscarriage of justice then id be in favour of the death penalty being reinstated. You could argue that the death penalty an easy way out for criminals, but it means they can never inflict pain or terror on anyone again which IMO overrides that downside.
The death penalty is just a form of revenge in my view, it doesn't reduce violent crime, which is the most important thing to most people. For a country that doesn't have the death penalty, our violent crime rate is lower than most countries that do have the death penalty - so we must be doing something right elsewhere.
And let's not worry about the mental health of those asked to be executioners on a regular basis, let's not worry about the number of executioners who have turned to alcohol over the centuries or even committed suicide. If soldiers on a battlefield can face mental health issues from killing in self-defence, it's no wonder killing someone in cold blood - regardless of who that person is - can have the same effects.
The man who executed Ruth Ellis? - the last woman to be executed in the UK - didn't feel comfortable about doing it, though admittedly she wasn't a seriel killer but a jealous and drunk mess.
Yes I'm not sure this is good for the cats; also something which worries me is if a couple of prisoners have an argument, then one might kill the other's cat to get revenge.:eek:
A very interesting programme and I was surprised to learn that two of the prisoners were allowed to keep cats, but what's to stop the cats escaping from the cell, surely they could get through the bars
I've always felt sorry for Aileen. She never stood a chance in life from the minute she was conceived.
I've always, also wanted to know what happened to Tyler, I'd love to hear what she has got to say these days, she stitched Aileen up good and proper to save her own skin..
One thing that puzzled me, was that the program implied that a large number of the inmates were guitly of murder, but there only seemed to be about a dozen or so on death row.
In states which have the death penalty what determines whether a convicted murderer receives the death penalty rather than life imprisonment?
The guy who killed the mother and daughter had obviously done something particularly evil but it implied that the other death row inmates hadn't commmitted murders quite as bad. But presumably they were still worse than the other murderers who "only" got life in jail?
That's not true, there is a section of media who pedal such a theory and it's become something of a modern myth.
It does happen that people get fairly light sentances for what appears to be a severe crime, but many people are in jail for a very long time and some are never getting out.
MAYBE if you were the relative of a murder victim you would have a different view!!! :mad::mad:
This article makes me think there was a lot of Baer's interview that was cut out - when he described the gory details of his murder. Trevor also said he didn't actually like any of the prisoners.
Jill Dando was murdered in April 1999 not in the seventies easy enough to look it up.
Which just shows despite all the blabbing about how we can now prove beyond all doubt because of scientific advancements.....we can still 'cock it up'.
Luckily for Barry George we don't have the death penalty in this country otherwise we'd have killed the wrong man. :rolleyes:
There was another 'cock up' regarding a murder on Hampstead Heath where the Police used entrapment to try and get a conviction. That also turned out to be 'the wrong bloke'!
One thing that puzzled me, was that the program implied that a large number of the inmates were guitly of murder, but there only seemed to be about a dozen or so on death row.
In states which have the death penalty what determines whether a convicted murderer receives the death penalty rather than life imprisonment?
The guy who killed the mother and daughter had obviously done something particularly evil but it implied that the other death row inmates hadn't commmitted murders quite as bad. But presumably they were still worse than the other murderers who "only" got life in jail?
Yes that puzzled me too.
Some of the murderers had got a 50 year sentence and a few were on death row - I wonder why and what differentiates the ones with a long sentence and the ones on death row?
Which just shows despite all the blabbing about how we can now prove beyond all doubt because of scientific advancements.....we can still 'cock it up'.
Luckily for Barry George we don't have the death penalty in this country otherwise we'd have killed the wrong man. :rolleyes:
There was another 'cock up' regarding a murder on Hampstead Heath where the Police used entrapment to try and get a conviction. That also turned out to be 'the wrong bloke'!
One thing that puzzled me, was that the program implied that a large number of the inmates were guitly of murder, but there only seemed to be about a dozen or so on death row.
In states which have the death penalty what determines whether a convicted murderer receives the death penalty rather than life imprisonment?
The guy who killed the mother and daughter had obviously done something particularly evil but it implied that the other death row inmates hadn't commmitted murders quite as bad. But presumably they were still worse than the other murderers who "only" got life in jail?
I would guess that all those on Death Row have committed particularly heinous crimes; be it in their nature or down to numbers.
I'm no expert, but don't the US have a system, whereby if a person is sentenced to death a review is automatically held to determine if the trial was sound and the death penalty is appropriate' and about half fail this, so another sentence is given or a retrial.
I would also think that in many cases, the prosecutor doesn't ask for a death sentence at the start; for fear of a jury not liking the idea, and maybe causing a mistrial through not being able to agree or even acquitting the person.
In some states colour and/or social background probably pay a part.
I liked the contract killer's excuse when Sir Trevor asked him why he didn't just call the police when he was supposedly blackmailed into killing someone.
I liked the contract killer's excuse when Sir Trevor asked him why he didn't just call the police when he was supposedly blackmailed into killing someone.
"That....erm.....never occured to me"
Idiot.
You clealry have an unhealthy amount of faith in the police
Sir Trevor should have told the ginger murderer that he was offended that our princess' photos were in his cell, and should have asked the warden to immediately remove them, for the sake of Prince Harry and Prince William.
Sir Trevor should have told the ginger murderer that he was offended that our princess' photos were in his cell, and should have asked the warden to immediately remove them, for the sake of Prince Harry and Prince William.
UK needs the death penalty badly , our justice system is the laughing stock of the world .
i have absolutely no problem whatsoever with it being re-introduced , not that it ever will be , all the do-gooders have pretty much ruined any chance of offenders ever being properly punished for there crimes .
Sooner someone do good than do bad
We do not need the death penalty.
I do not know if you blinked and missed it but murder rates are tumbling at the moment. The lowest since 1978.
Yes that was the one.....Colin Stagg was arrested and charged with her murder after the Police used a female undercover officer as entrapment. Stagg spent 14 months held in custody before being acquitted at the Old Bailey.
He was the subject of a very good documentary a few years back. His life has been turned on its head and in tatters.
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People who like writing to prisoners - he did come across very articulate and a bit more "sane" than the others. It could have been an act though.
He obviously had an impact on Trev. I wonder if he keeps in touch with anyone else he met on there. I wouldn't mind getting a chance to do what Trev did - although I wonder if they'd let a female reporter have access in the same way?
Do you know what the theme music was that kept playing when they were showing walking shots etc.?
Highly unlkely they could receive itv!! Besides a lot of televisions in American prisons only show educational/or religious programmes
The death penalty is just a form of revenge in my view, it doesn't reduce violent crime, which is the most important thing to most people. For a country that doesn't have the death penalty, our violent crime rate is lower than most countries that do have the death penalty - so we must be doing something right elsewhere.
And let's not worry about the mental health of those asked to be executioners on a regular basis, let's not worry about the number of executioners who have turned to alcohol over the centuries or even committed suicide. If soldiers on a battlefield can face mental health issues from killing in self-defence, it's no wonder killing someone in cold blood - regardless of who that person is - can have the same effects.
The man who executed Ruth Ellis? - the last woman to be executed in the UK - didn't feel comfortable about doing it, though admittedly she wasn't a seriel killer but a jealous and drunk mess.
A very interesting programme and I was surprised to learn that two of the prisoners were allowed to keep cats, but what's to stop the cats escaping from the cell, surely they could get through the bars
I know what you mean.
It depends upon the judge I suppose.
MAYBE if you were the relative of a murder victim you would have a different view!!! :mad::mad:
Pity Trevor McDonald doesn't stay in touch with the victims by regularly sending them wreaths.
Luckily for Barry George we don't have the death penalty in this country otherwise we'd have killed the wrong man. :rolleyes:
There was another 'cock up' regarding a murder on Hampstead Heath where the Police used entrapment to try and get a conviction. That also turned out to be 'the wrong bloke'!
Yes that puzzled me too.
Some of the murderers had got a 50 year sentence and a few were on death row - I wonder why and what differentiates the ones with a long sentence and the ones on death row?
Indeed.
Do you mean Wimbledon Common (Rachel NIckell)?
I would guess that all those on Death Row have committed particularly heinous crimes; be it in their nature or down to numbers.
I'm no expert, but don't the US have a system, whereby if a person is sentenced to death a review is automatically held to determine if the trial was sound and the death penalty is appropriate' and about half fail this, so another sentence is given or a retrial.
I would also think that in many cases, the prosecutor doesn't ask for a death sentence at the start; for fear of a jury not liking the idea, and maybe causing a mistrial through not being able to agree or even acquitting the person.
In some states colour and/or social background probably pay a part.
I don't even like cats but I felt sorry for them being caged up.
"That....erm.....never occured to me"
Idiot.
You clealry have an unhealthy amount of faith in the police
He's got to have something to masturbate over.
Sooner someone do good than do bad
We do not need the death penalty.
I do not know if you blinked and missed it but murder rates are tumbling at the moment. The lowest since 1978.
shades1 would see that as collateral damage.
He was the subject of a very good documentary a few years back. His life has been turned on its head and in tatters.