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"Long" Sentences In England
BigAndy99
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20th April 2015
Do our mighty leaders know what a long sentence is?
Do they know how crime affects the "normal people"?
Please discuss.
A gang of five men and a teenager who subjected underage girls to sexual abuse in Oxfordshire after grooming them have been jailed.
The defendants attacked seven victims, aged 13 to 15, in cars, woods or at the defendants' homes in Banbury.
Oxford Crown Court heard they lured victims to parties organised on social media and were found guilty in March.
At the same court, each of the men were handed sentences of between three and nine years.
Ahmed Hassan-Sule, 21, of Glyndebourne Gardens, was sentenced to nine years imprisonment, with a further five years on licence; Mohamed Saleh, 22, of Orchard Way, was jailed for four years and nine months; Said Saleh, 20, of Orchard Way, was jailed for four years; Takudzwa Hova, 21, of Broughton Road, was sentenced to six years with a further four years on licence; and Kagiso Manase, 21, of Warwick Road, received five years.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-32332946
Do our mighty leaders know what a long sentence is?
Do they know how crime affects the "normal people"?
Please discuss.
A gang of five men and a teenager who subjected underage girls to sexual abuse in Oxfordshire after grooming them have been jailed.
The defendants attacked seven victims, aged 13 to 15, in cars, woods or at the defendants' homes in Banbury.
Oxford Crown Court heard they lured victims to parties organised on social media and were found guilty in March.
At the same court, each of the men were handed sentences of between three and nine years.
Ahmed Hassan-Sule, 21, of Glyndebourne Gardens, was sentenced to nine years imprisonment, with a further five years on licence; Mohamed Saleh, 22, of Orchard Way, was jailed for four years and nine months; Said Saleh, 20, of Orchard Way, was jailed for four years; Takudzwa Hova, 21, of Broughton Road, was sentenced to six years with a further four years on licence; and Kagiso Manase, 21, of Warwick Road, received five years.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-32332946
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'I would like to thank them for coming forward and giving evidence in this case. As in all trials without their testimony we would not be where we are today.
'As a result young people will be safeguarded while these men will have time to reflect upon their actions in prison.'
A total of 31 years between 6 men for an extremely long list of serious crimes?
HALVED, OF COURSE.
Are you saying left wingers don't like filthy criminals going to prison?
No different to the poster who uses the "centre" tags on everything he posts I suppose - some people feel they need a "quirk" to stand out.
Also, anyone can complain to the attorney general that a sentence is "unduly lenient". Not guaranteed to make a difference, but the procedure exists.
Absolutely right.
But do we think that sentences in England are long enough?
Are they only so short because of a shortage of prison places?
If so, shouldn't they be spending lots of money on more prisons?
If our population has increased by 20 million in the last 30 years, have the prisons kept pace or have the places reduced because our poor criminals need an en-suite?
That does seem to be a recurring impression that is given.
They are all reasonable questions. How to deal with those issues is debatable, obviously. More prison places makes sense if you are going to increase sentences.
Unfortunately some left wingers don't seem to think child abuse is a crime.
So if a judge rules that 'charlatan X must serve a minimum of 4 years in prison', charlatan X will do the whole 4 years plus additional time until the probation/psychiatrist reports ajudge him to be fit for release.
Under the old rules (pre-2005 or somewhere around then), felons convicted of sentences exceeding 4 years or more (excluding life/IPP) had to serve 2/3 of the sentence in jail; not sure why the more lenient 1/2 was set in.
And some people are different to you.
Welcome to the world
Well i believe that most people would like to see longer sentences handed out, or at least people serving their full sentences.
I'd like to see some figures for prison population 40 years ago.
I'd like to know if people are serving less of their sentence - if they are then i'm going to assume it is because we need the prison places.
I'd like to know what the prison capacity was 40 years ago.
I wouldn't be against that, because it makes things easier to understand.
That would indeed be pretty interesting to see.
I don't know about that. It's probably part of it though.
Some info on the prison population here, 1993-2012. Basically it's doubled in that time. Not sure about 40 years ago though.
https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/story-of-the-prison-population-1993-2012
Probably (definitely) - but surely the security of all of us is just as important as the NHS?
They are both life and death.
Also, i think the way our prison system panders to prisoners and their supporters makes it more costly than it should be?
The NHS is more important.
Why is that?
I'd rather die from natural causes and not being able to see a surgeon in time than at the hands of some scum bag who has been let off with suspended sentences, tags and fines for the past 20 years.
Criminals are always there, murders will always occur.
If we are short of money, only murders and sex offenders should be locked up. The NHS is more important, why should hard working people suffer to pay for people to be locked up.
The death penalty would be an solution to dispose of these murders and child abusers.
What's the difference between that and those who sign off their posts using either their forum name or real one?
It's not legally possible though, and never will be again, so you have to deal with the consequences of that.
Thanks for proving my point.
I know its not legel, but I suspect one day it will be again.
The consequences are well known, children are abused, people are murdered.
If I could press a button and kill every child abuser and murderer (providing they are guilty and there is clear evidence), I would.
The problem with the death penalty is innocent people get executed.