This is easily my most anticipated big budget movie of 2013 so my primary concern is that it doesn't manage to live up to my expectations.
However, as Guillermo Del Toro has been pretty reliable up to now I'll be pretty surprised if this movie isn't at least on par quality wise with something like Hellboy II.
I will admit that I haven't got a clue whether or not this will be a success at the box office but if the majority of cinema goers view it as something made to cater for the stereotypical tastes of teenage boys & dismiss it accordingly then it could be in trouble...
It just seems that people are waiting for the first flop of the summer.Most people thought it would be World War Z but that proved to be wrong so now everybody is saying its Pacific Rim or The Lone Ranger.I find it very strange that people are desporate for films to fail before they have even seen them!
It just seems that people are waiting for the first flop of the summer.Most people thought it would be World War Z but that proved to be wrong so now everybody is saying its Pacific Rim or The Lone Ranger.I find it very strange that people are desporate for films to fail before they have even seen them!
I hate that people do that. The dweebs were desperate for Man of Steel to be a flop and now they've just shifted all that crap on to another movie...
Got to be honest, the more I see of it on tv etc, the more bored of it I am.
It will really need to be more than monsters beating each other up, I need more than that. I need The Avengers, not Transformers.
Am waiting the reviews eagerly.
Neither The Lone Ranger or Pacific Rim can be any worse than the dreadfully overrated 'The Avengers' - now THAT is a prime example of a boring action film.
I hate that people do that. The dweebs were desperate for Man of Steel to be a flop and now they've just shifted all that crap on to another movie...
Go into the Man of Steel thread, i was having discussion with someone in there yesterday who still thinks it's a disappointment and can't be classed as a blockbuster despite making nearly half a billion dollars in three weeks...:rolleyes:
I think the major flop of the summer will be either After Earth (although it's been making up for the weak domestic takings with an okay international take) or White House Down which opened pretty badly this weekend in the US, making just $26 million on opening weekend from a budget of $150 million, it couldn't even top Olympus Has Fallen and that had arguably less star power and an R rating.
I watched Olympus Has Fallen this morning. Damn good action flick. Had no idea it had done so poorly at the box office. It had no advertising over here that I saw of, but it should've done much better than $160m worldwide.
Go into the Man of Steel thread, i was having discussion with someone in there yesterday who still thinks it's a disappointment and can't be classed as a blockbuster despite making nearly half a billion dollars in three weeks...:rolleyes:
Thats quite the amusing argument.
But I don't consider something a blockbuster based on the money it takes in. Hard to explain but I would consider a film a blockbuster based on the hype it generates before it comes out. And MoS certainly created hype and is doing just nicely at the box office. Summer Blockbuster - Yes.
As for Pacific Rim, I don't think its been well marketed. I don't get to the cinema near as much as I did last year. I think I've only been 4 or 5 times this year. And I think I've only seen the trailer twice. Saying that it does look pretty cool. Another big robot film, but Hollywood can only pump out so many shit robot films before they stumble across a winner. Pacific Rim could well be it.
Movies should make a impact before there release most people I asked about it havent heard of it and one of them is a top movie reviewer!
'Top movie reviewer' = I have a blog.
As for Pacific Rim's performance, it should do okay in the US but I think will do much better business internationally.
Same applies to The Lone Ranger. Westerns are a tough sell abroad (True Grit did poorly compared to its US take), but Depp, Hammer and the Pirates connection could push it into profit.
I doubt either will flop, but one may underperform next to expectations.
Question is: are these franchise starters? As surely they are intended to be.
btw - Summer flop? RIPD looks like the film no-one asked for, and Two Guns looks far better. Will RIPD prove DOA?
But I don't consider something a blockbuster based on the money it takes in. Hard to explain but I would consider a film a blockbuster based on the hype it generates before it comes out. And MoS certainly created hype and is doing just nicely at the box office. Summer Blockbuster - Yes.
Hmm. Ultimately it is about the money - a film can prove itself a blockbuster by doing far better than expected. After all, the term refers to people queuing round the block, and it's them that decide.
But you have a point about hype and what it sets out to do. Regardless of how well MoS is going to perform ($850m+ I hear), the hype - and the film itself - did something ringing tills sometimes don't. And that's get people really talking about it. Warners/DC/Cavill etc are now right in the game, which was surely as important to the whole MoS campaign as the box-office results.
As for Pacific Rim's performance, it should do okay in the US but I think will do much better business internationally.
Same applies to The Lone Ranger. Westerns are a tough sell abroad (True Grit did poorly compared to its US take), but Depp, Hammer and the Pirates connection could push it into profit.
I doubt either will flop, but one may underperform next to expectations.
Question is: are these franchise starters? As surely they are intended to be.
btw - Summer flop? RIPD looks like the film no-one asked for, and Two Guns looks far better. Will RIPD prove DOA?
I agree with this. I feel it might be number 2 in box office in US and Grown Ups 2 will take a lead.
I will admit that I haven't got a clue whether or not this will be a success at the box office but if the majority of cinema goers view it as something made to cater for the stereotypical tastes of teenage boys & dismiss it accordingly then it could be in trouble...
This, very much this.
This is a boys film and it's pretty much being marketed as such.
I wouldn't be surprised if it flops, but because this is GDT i'm really hoping this is a LOT more than just robots fightng monsters.
They'll still call it a failure though...:rolleyes:
Yep. Its a total flop . Those "clever" boys on IMDB were saying the other day I needs to gross 848 million just to make its costs back as that, they had decided, was the total cost for the movie based on the money the studio made from ticket sales.
Yep. Its a total flop . Those "clever" boys on IMDB were saying the other day I needs to gross 848 million just to make its costs back as that, they had decided, was the total cost for the movie based on the money the studio made from ticket sales.
I'm just glad no one listens to these people.
Movies generally need triple their production budget to break even. But Man of Steel had a LOT of licensing deals, which would reduce that number...
Movies generally need triple their production budget to break even. But Man of Steel had a LOT of licensing deals, which would reduce that number...
Ahhh. That's interesting:)
Means it's on course to do very nicely for itself!
Hardly a flop at all... In fact, it's probably broken even already and the movie studio execs are rubbing their hands gleefully at the new cars they're going to buy.
Not to detrail the thread but I am sure WB would be hoping for a $700m-$800m+ performance at least for MoS but they should be happy with the numbers + the DVD will sell loads so overall a successful reboot (financially anyway)
Anyways back to Pacific Rim - I've no doubt this movie will be brilliant - Del Toro is very consistent with his movies however marketing this will be tricky to the average cinema-goer.
I have a lot of faith in GDT, but there are a number of strikes against the movie becoming a super-hit;
1) a dreadful title that means nothing to the general public,
2) a few recognisable faces, but no stars,
3) and it looks like another just Transformers movie from the trailers and posters.
I'd be wary of the "buzz" too - it could mean it'll be another Avengers, or it could be the next Snakes On A Plane or Scott Pilgrim...
It's virtually impossible for a blockbuster movie to actually lose money worldwide (especially with DVD & TV sales factored in), so "flop" is a relative term, but I think this could "underperform" without stellar word-of-mouth...
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However, as Guillermo Del Toro has been pretty reliable up to now I'll be pretty surprised if this movie isn't at least on par quality wise with something like Hellboy II.
I will admit that I haven't got a clue whether or not this will be a success at the box office but if the majority of cinema goers view it as something made to cater for the stereotypical tastes of teenage boys & dismiss it accordingly then it could be in trouble...
I'm not a teenage boy and I love these sort of films
I hate that people do that. The dweebs were desperate for Man of Steel to be a flop and now they've just shifted all that crap on to another movie...
It will really need to be more than monsters beating each other up, I need more than that. I need The Avengers, not Transformers.
Am waiting the reviews eagerly.
Neither The Lone Ranger or Pacific Rim can be any worse than the dreadfully overrated 'The Avengers' - now THAT is a prime example of a boring action film.
Go into the Man of Steel thread, i was having discussion with someone in there yesterday who still thinks it's a disappointment and can't be classed as a blockbuster despite making nearly half a billion dollars in three weeks...:rolleyes:
I think the major flop of the summer will be either After Earth (although it's been making up for the weak domestic takings with an okay international take) or White House Down which opened pretty badly this weekend in the US, making just $26 million on opening weekend from a budget of $150 million, it couldn't even top Olympus Has Fallen and that had arguably less star power and an R rating.
Thats quite the amusing argument.
But I don't consider something a blockbuster based on the money it takes in. Hard to explain but I would consider a film a blockbuster based on the hype it generates before it comes out. And MoS certainly created hype and is doing just nicely at the box office. Summer Blockbuster - Yes.
As for Pacific Rim, I don't think its been well marketed. I don't get to the cinema near as much as I did last year. I think I've only been 4 or 5 times this year. And I think I've only seen the trailer twice. Saying that it does look pretty cool. Another big robot film, but Hollywood can only pump out so many shit robot films before they stumble across a winner. Pacific Rim could well be it.
As for Pacific Rim's performance, it should do okay in the US but I think will do much better business internationally.
Same applies to The Lone Ranger. Westerns are a tough sell abroad (True Grit did poorly compared to its US take), but Depp, Hammer and the Pirates connection could push it into profit.
I doubt either will flop, but one may underperform next to expectations.
Question is: are these franchise starters? As surely they are intended to be.
btw - Summer flop? RIPD looks like the film no-one asked for, and Two Guns looks far better. Will RIPD prove DOA?
But you have a point about hype and what it sets out to do. Regardless of how well MoS is going to perform ($850m+ I hear), the hype - and the film itself - did something ringing tills sometimes don't. And that's get people really talking about it. Warners/DC/Cavill etc are now right in the game, which was surely as important to the whole MoS campaign as the box-office results.
I agree with this. I feel it might be number 2 in box office in US and Grown Ups 2 will take a lead.
Now that is a film even Michael Bay would be embarrassed to be part of. Dreadful does not even come close.
This, very much this.
This is a boys film and it's pretty much being marketed as such.
I wouldn't be surprised if it flops, but because this is GDT i'm really hoping this is a LOT more than just robots fightng monsters.
He he he... That's probably so true.
Poor Man of Steel. I don't think I've ever seen a movie so horrifically ripped apart by the dweebs on IMDB. They're still declaring it a failure...
They should have a read of this:
http://www.deadline.com/2013/06/man-of-steel-passes-half-billion-global-mark/
They'll still call it a failure though...:rolleyes:
Yep. Its a total flop
I'm just glad no one listens to these people.
Movies generally need triple their production budget to break even. But Man of Steel had a LOT of licensing deals, which would reduce that number...
Ahhh. That's interesting:)
Means it's on course to do very nicely for itself!
Hardly a flop at all... In fact, it's probably broken even already and the movie studio execs are rubbing their hands gleefully at the new cars they're going to buy.
Anyways back to Pacific Rim - I've no doubt this movie will be brilliant - Del Toro is very consistent with his movies however marketing this will be tricky to the average cinema-goer.
Plus, that was the first time I've ever heard of the film or seen a trailer for it or even heard it's name. I'm totally uninterested.
1) a dreadful title that means nothing to the general public,
2) a few recognisable faces, but no stars,
3) and it looks like another just Transformers movie from the trailers and posters.
I'd be wary of the "buzz" too - it could mean it'll be another Avengers, or it could be the next Snakes On A Plane or Scott Pilgrim...
It's virtually impossible for a blockbuster movie to actually lose money worldwide (especially with DVD & TV sales factored in), so "flop" is a relative term, but I think this could "underperform" without stellar word-of-mouth...