Seems a clear attempt to kill the child, so AM would be appropriate.
I grew up with some rough buggers, but even the worst of them would never try to harm a baby!.
You'd hope so but she's already been bailed and let out, no wonder the poor girl she did this to is terrified, you'd expect if someone did this they'd at least get put on remand.
I imagine she'll get done for ABH, maybe a 12 month sentence out in six max.
But imagine if someone had thrown a first folio of Shakespeare in front of the bus? They'd probably get sent down for eight years.
Obviously if someone can even think about doing that to a baby then they`re clearly not wired right. No doubt the blame will be on how they were brought up. that is no excuse though. This country really needs to change it`s criminal system. people are getting away with far too many serious crimes and not being punished severely enough. they`ll more than likely get 6 months young offenders and serve 3 because of another stupid idea where its halfed before they even get to prison.
Tough on crime Tough on the causes of crime, ring any bells. Biggest load of BS a politician has ever come out with, and what are Ant and Dec going to do about it. Time some real prison was dealt out to scum like this and no time off for good behaviour,you can come out when you've done your time if your good. Prisons over crowded tough dont want to do time dont do the crime
i've gotta say i agree. I'd like to think that even the lowest of the low wouldnt think "yeah, i'm gonna try and kill their baby".
but maybe i'm wrong?
I don't even think the actual thought process would happen like that. I don't think the bullies would have thought "we'll kill her kid". I think if you see something as completely disposable, you just don't think of anything else - the thing you see as disposable becomes just that. So in this case, I think, to the bullies, it would have just been seen as something their victim was clearly attached to, so they'll throw it in the road.
I don't even think the actual thought process would happen like that. I don't think the bullies would have thought "we'll kill her kid". I think if you see something as completely disposable, you just don't think of anything else - the thing you see as disposable becomes just that. So in this case, I think, to the bullies, it would have just been seen as something their victim was clearly attached to, so they'll throw it in the road.
It was a baby. Even if it was a pet of some kind I could buy into your explanation, but I don't think anyone could detach themselves to the extent that they wouldn't be aware of the consequences of throwing an human infant into oncoming traffic.
Tough on crime Tough on the causes of crime, ring any bells. Biggest load of BS a politician has ever come out with, and what are Ant and Dec going to do about it. Time some real prison was dealt out to scum like this and no time off for good behaviour,you can come out when you've done your time if your good. Prisons over crowded tough dont want to do time dont do the crime
What these two little bitches did was awful and disgusting, but I think sending young teenage girls to prison is worrying.
If and hopefully when they are convicted, they should go to some sort of secure unit, be forced to do community service and then be put on strict supervision orders, curfews, be made not to associate with each other, whatever.
I must say had the school sorted out the bullying in the first place, perhaps this would not have happened. I agree with JasonWatkins' post regarding this.
What these two little bitches did was awful and disgusting, but I think sending young teenage girls to prison is worrying.
If and hopefully when they are convicted, they should go to some sort of secure unit, be forced to do community service and then be put on strict supervision orders, curfews, be made not to associate with each other, whatever.
I must say had the school sorted out the bullying in the first place, perhaps this would not have happened. I agree with JasonWatkins' post regarding this.
I disagree. They did something that could reasonably have been expected to lead to the death of a seven month old child. I don't think it's a stretch to say that they (or at least one of them) tried to murder a baby. Community service simply should not cut it for that. What did you mean by a "secure unit" - not a prison I assume?
I disagree. They did something that could reasonably have been expected to lead to the death of a seven month old child. I don't think it's a stretch to say that they (or at least one of them) tried to murder a baby. Community service simply should not cut it for that. What did you mean by a "secure unit" - not a prison I assume?
Juveniles don't go to prisons. Thompson and Venables didn't and it's unlikely these two will either, if convicted.
I disagree. They did something that could reasonably have been expected to lead to the death of a seven month old child. I don't think it's a stretch to say that they (or at least one of them) tried to murder a baby. Community service simply should not cut it for that. What did you mean by a "secure unit" - not a prison I assume?
Do you have a charge similar to reckless endangerment?
If the baby had been killed, it's likely that the girl who threw it in the road would have claimed she was "only joking" or "only meant to scare her" because I really do believe she wouldn't have understood what she'd done.
And before the inevitable replies, it's not making excuses for the girl at all - it's stating a belief.
Unusually, I tend to agree with you.
Although I do believe the criminals concerned would have understood what they were doing, I think they are so utterly self-centred that they would feel it was within their rights to do so and that they do not deserve to be held responsible, or to be punished.
I disagree. They did something that could reasonably have been expected to lead to the death of a seven month old child. I don't think it's a stretch to say that they (or at least one of them) tried to murder a baby. Community service simply should not cut it for that. What did you mean by a "secure unit" - not a prison I assume?
I'm from a place that puts young teenagers in adult prisons and it is appalling and just a bad idea. So not an adult prison, but of course not community service. I think community service should be undertaken once they are out the secure unit. I suppose by secure unit I mean something like a YOI, I don't know how else to describe them.
You are right, I must concede. While I don't think they set out to kill a baby, they certainly didn't help by throwing him in the street. I honestly can't wrap my head around that.
Will this girl's behavior be monitored if she ever becomes a Mom herself?
I hadn't thought about that before you mentioned it.
It's a horrible thought that one day soon she may have a child of her own who relys solely on her for care
Girl should be locked up for a good few years. She's old enoough to understand the gravity of what she did, and old enough to be punished for it. You don't throw a baby in front of a bus on a whim, she's is either f'ed up or incredibly stupid and impulsive. Either way, that baby almost died and she is responsible.
It was a baby. Even if it was a pet of some kind I could buy into your explanation, but I don't think anyone could detach themselves to the extent that they wouldn't be aware of the consequences of throwing an human infant into oncoming traffic.
I just think people like this are evil, and choose to practice evil. Sometimes you have to draw a line and say past history environment and upbrining can never even fractionally excuse this. Plus I'm not really convinced that those factors play as great a part as a cimulative trend in society to excuse wrongdoing.
I'd like to see these people punished severely. I'd like the punishment to be unpleasant and make them regret every minute that led up to that incident.
I hadn't thought about that before you mentioned it.
It's a horrible thought that one day soon she may have a child of her own who relys solely on her for care
Girl should be locked up for a good few years. She's old enoough to understand the gravity of what she did, and old enough to be punished for it. You don't throw a baby in front of a bus on a whim, she's is either f'ed up or incredibly stupid and impulsive. Either way, that baby almost died and she is responsible.
I think it is that. Some girls that age are just stupid, for lack of a better term.
As for the future, well, we don't know. She could be utterly remorseful of what she has done, will do her punishment, be ashamed of herself in 10 years' time and go on to be a great mother. Or she won't. We can't exactly make a judgment based on how she will be based on something she did just now. I'd like to think that the BIB is what she is and she'll grow up, become rehabilitated and be horrified by what she did.
I repeat what I said earlier before a lot of comments got removed. This topical story is all too typical of ' British ' society and I think the way it will be handled will be all too predictable of UK justice now.
I'd lay money on it that she doesn't face the highest charges that she deserves and receives an inadequate sentence if any punishment at all.
One thing that I am surprised is the lack of hysterical media coverage from the likes of sky , sun and mail etc.
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It is in Surrey but it is still the London Borough of Croydon. Quite a bit of Surrey is technically in London.
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You'd hope so but she's already been bailed and let out, no wonder the poor girl she did this to is terrified, you'd expect if someone did this they'd at least get put on remand.
I imagine she'll get done for ABH, maybe a 12 month sentence out in six max.
But imagine if someone had thrown a first folio of Shakespeare in front of the bus? They'd probably get sent down for eight years.
Agreed - Give them a sense of discipline & routine and hopefully respect for other people & things.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/2330061.stm
It's part of Greater London and parts of the borough of Croydon are in in London and have London postcodes. Either is correct to be honest.
A failed system..........
I don't even think the actual thought process would happen like that. I don't think the bullies would have thought "we'll kill her kid". I think if you see something as completely disposable, you just don't think of anything else - the thing you see as disposable becomes just that. So in this case, I think, to the bullies, it would have just been seen as something their victim was clearly attached to, so they'll throw it in the road.
Excellent.
Oh, hang on a minute....
It was a baby. Even if it was a pet of some kind I could buy into your explanation, but I don't think anyone could detach themselves to the extent that they wouldn't be aware of the consequences of throwing an human infant into oncoming traffic.
What these two little bitches did was awful and disgusting, but I think sending young teenage girls to prison is worrying.
If and hopefully when they are convicted, they should go to some sort of secure unit, be forced to do community service and then be put on strict supervision orders, curfews, be made not to associate with each other, whatever.
I must say had the school sorted out the bullying in the first place, perhaps this would not have happened. I agree with JasonWatkins' post regarding this.
I disagree. They did something that could reasonably have been expected to lead to the death of a seven month old child. I don't think it's a stretch to say that they (or at least one of them) tried to murder a baby. Community service simply should not cut it for that. What did you mean by a "secure unit" - not a prison I assume?
Juveniles don't go to prisons. Thompson and Venables didn't and it's unlikely these two will either, if convicted.
Do you have a charge similar to reckless endangerment?
Unusually, I tend to agree with you.
Although I do believe the criminals concerned would have understood what they were doing, I think they are so utterly self-centred that they would feel it was within their rights to do so and that they do not deserve to be held responsible, or to be punished.
I'm from a place that puts young teenagers in adult prisons and it is appalling and just a bad idea. So not an adult prison, but of course not community service. I think community service should be undertaken once they are out the secure unit. I suppose by secure unit I mean something like a YOI, I don't know how else to describe them.
You are right, I must concede. While I don't think they set out to kill a baby, they certainly didn't help by throwing him in the street. I honestly can't wrap my head around that.
I hadn't thought about that before you mentioned it.
It's a horrible thought that one day soon she may have a child of her own who relys solely on her for care
Girl should be locked up for a good few years. She's old enoough to understand the gravity of what she did, and old enough to be punished for it. You don't throw a baby in front of a bus on a whim, she's is either f'ed up or incredibly stupid and impulsive. Either way, that baby almost died and she is responsible.
I just think people like this are evil, and choose to practice evil. Sometimes you have to draw a line and say past history environment and upbrining can never even fractionally excuse this. Plus I'm not really convinced that those factors play as great a part as a cimulative trend in society to excuse wrongdoing.
I'd like to see these people punished severely. I'd like the punishment to be unpleasant and make them regret every minute that led up to that incident.
I think it is that. Some girls that age are just stupid, for lack of a better term.
As for the future, well, we don't know. She could be utterly remorseful of what she has done, will do her punishment, be ashamed of herself in 10 years' time and go on to be a great mother. Or she won't. We can't exactly make a judgment based on how she will be based on something she did just now. I'd like to think that the BIB is what she is and she'll grow up, become rehabilitated and be horrified by what she did.
I'd lay money on it that she doesn't face the highest charges that she deserves and receives an inadequate sentence if any punishment at all.
One thing that I am surprised is the lack of hysterical media coverage from the likes of sky , sun and mail etc.