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Budget Wednesday 18th March 2015

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    StykerStyker Posts: 50,096
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    The Conservatives had a 5 year rolling plan to get rid of the deficit. This is because of what. In what Harold Macmillian is supposed to have said 'Events dear boy events' - that can derail any plan.

    All things being equal had Labour won then they would not have been halfway.



    Well we did not go into recession. While cuts would have had some effect, since Government actions are included in GDP - we also had a sovereign debt crisis.



    Well given all other issues in the last 5 years including a reassessment of the depth and length of the last recession are you surprised?

    The Tories made out that cuts would lead to growth in every single quarter from when they got in and they were wrong. They never caveated that by saying "oh it depends if the Eurozone stays in recovery too" and when Labour blamed America for causing the 2008 crash the Tories never accepted it.
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    LostFoolLostFool Posts: 90,670
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    Spot wrote: »
    It's £1,000 in interest so with present low interest rates the amount of savings could be pretty significant.

    It means having £80-100,000 in cash savings so I can't see the limit affecting many people.

    The big saving with this measure is that banks won't have to deduct interest on most savings accounts. This is a reduction in admin for the banks and HMRC.
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    paulschapmanpaulschapman Posts: 35,536
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    Styker wrote: »
    The Tories made out that cuts would lead to growth in every single quarter from when they got in and they were wrong. They never caveated that by saying "oh it depends if the Eurozone stays in recovery too" and when Labour blamed America for causing the 2008 crash the Tories never accepted it.

    Well Gordon Brown claimed to have led the world from the abyss - nobody including Labour knew that there was a sovereign debt crisis brewing in Europe so nobody's predictions from 2010 of what they would do included it.

    And while America had it's problems the largest Financial Market in the world was under the auspices of one Gordon Brown (i.e. the UK) and the way that was managed and regulated has nothing to do with America or the Federal Bank.

    Just as Osbourne would have to admit that cuts would hit GDP - that would not account for the total amount of the post 2010 election drop (although even Labour admitted that a hike in NI would)
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    StykerStyker Posts: 50,096
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    Well Gordon Brown claimed to have led the world from the abyss - nobody including Labour knew that there was a sovereign debt crisis brewing in Europe so nobody's predictions from 2010 of what they would do included it.

    And while America had it's problems the largest Financial Market in the world was under the auspices of one Gordon Brown (i.e. the UK) and the way that was managed and regulated has nothing to do with America or the Federal Bank.

    Just as Osbourne would have to admit that cuts would hit GDP - that would not account for the total amount of the post 2010 election drop (although even Labour admitted that a hike in NI would)

    Don't revise things. Brown blamed the US banks for causing the world wide crash and the Tories wouldn't accept it but they expect us to accept that its all becuase of the Eurozone countries going back into recession that we had a flatlined economy from 2010-2013!

    On Brown's comments about "saving the world...", he was going to say that they had saved the worlds banking system after the G20 Meeting in London in 2009 but the Tory MP's jeered/laughed as soon as he uttered the first few words and then the speaker got up to interupt and bring things to order. Brown should have repeated and completed the point though.
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    mungobrushmungobrush Posts: 9,332
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    rusty123 wrote: »
    Not this again !!

    The collapse of the American banking system was not a choice made by the Labour government. You are 100% bang on the money, nail on the head correct about that.

    BUT, running a deficit during a boom WAS a choice made by the Labour government, and it was a choice they made against a backdrop of growing concerns about growing national and personal debt pricking the bubble hence my use of the Costa Concordia analogy with how their risky strategy exposed us to the tsunami of sh!t that headed our way when things went t!ts up.

    If austerity has been a choice why is it that it was the only game in town being preached by all parties 5 years ago?

    The top 5 people responsible for the financial crisis were (in order)
    1. Alan Greenspan Chairman of the US Federal Reserve
    2. Mervyn King Governor of the Bank of England
    3. Bill Clinton
    4. Gordon Brown
    5. George W Bush
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    David TeeDavid Tee Posts: 22,833
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    mungobrush wrote: »
    The top 5 people responsible for the financial crisis were (in order)
    1. Alan Greenspan Chairman of the US Federal Reserve
    2. Mervyn King Governor of the Bank of England
    3. Bill Clinton
    4. Gordon Brown
    5. George W Bush

    Interesting.

    Who decided the order?
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    mungobrushmungobrush Posts: 9,332
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    David Tee wrote: »
    Interesting.

    Who decided the order?

    It was an article in the Guardian a couple of years ago
    It listed the top 25 people responsible for the crash
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    Bingo_Bingo_ Posts: 1,077
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    mungobrush wrote: »
    The top 5 people responsible for the financial crisis were (in order)
    1. Alan Greenspan Chairman of the US Federal Reserve
    2. Mervyn King Governor of the Bank of England
    3. Bill Clinton
    4. Gordon Brown
    5. George W Bush

    You cannot seriously believe that?

    A global financial crash brought on by irresponsible lending of major banks and yet none of the 'top 5' are banks?

    Are you sure you're not trying to seem like you've got some idea by adding Gordon Brown and Alan Greenspan and then just randomly listing other people you've heard of?
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    MajlisMajlis Posts: 31,362
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    mungobrush wrote: »
    The top 5 people responsible for the financial crisis were (in order)
    1. Alan Greenspan Chairman of the US Federal Reserve
    2. Mervyn King Governor of the Bank of England
    3. Bill Clinton
    4. Gordon Brown
    5. George W Bush

    Not sure that Mervyn deserves his No2 slot - responsibility for regulating the banks was taken away from him by Gordon. I can see why the rest are there but feel that you should also include Jimmy Carter because he introduced the whole sorry scheme.
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    TheTruth1983TheTruth1983 Posts: 13,462
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    Spot wrote: »
    It's £1,000 in interest so with present low interest rates the amount of savings could be pretty significant.

    This will be a help to the vast majority of savers who could only dream of earning more than that in interest.

    Well done on that one George.
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    LandisLandis Posts: 14,894
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    A short extract from the Philip Collins piece in The Times this morning:


    "Mr Osborne understandably forgot
    to mention his failures on
    Wednesday so it is only fair that I
    make good the omission. Besides, he
    is a politician who is best understood
    by the story he strings together from
    his defeats. Mr Osborne did not say
    that, on his original plans, the deficit
    should have disappeared by now. He
    forgot to admit that he was
    reinstating a target he had
    abandoned because, now he had
    some assets to sell, he could see a
    way to hit it.

    Mr Osborne did not chant, as he
    incited his pantomime audience to
    sing along, two important facts about
    the meagre recovery: “Productivity
    Down! Immigration Up!” It must
    have slipped his mind that the deficit
    in the balance of payments is the
    worst in peace time since 1830.
    Cutting the data to suit himself, he
    failed to point out that the bottom
    40 per cent of the income scale has
    taken the same share of the burden
    of austerity as the top 60 per cent.

    Mr Osborne was the chancellor
    who believed in all manner of
    impossible things before breakfast.
    The sums Mr Osborne did in 2010
    added up only if each of the
    following three years saw the largest
    rise in business investment on record
    and the best year for export growth
    since the nightmare year of 1974.
    Instead, we got a recovery based on
    household debt, consumer spending
    and government schemes to
    stimulate the housing market, a glass
    menagerie of a recovery, both
    precious and fragile at the same time.
    Mr Osborne must be tempted to
    head to the Foreign Office after the
    election and let Sajid Javid clear up
    the mess that is accumulating.

    That’s the bitter fruit of victory.
    For the moment, through the smoke,
    a grinning Mr Osborne is visible in
    the mirrors. After declaring Alistair
    Darling’s plan for deficit reduction
    would turn London into Athens, Mr
    Osborne has actually carried it out
    by accident. Labour has been right
    on the deficit all along and Ed Balls
    is right now. The implied cuts to the
    police, defence and border control in
    Mr Osborne’s revised projections are
    too severe. Already, by the end of
    2015, they will have been cut by
    30 per cent. To try the same again
    will mark the outer limit of public
    acceptance of austerity and Mr
    Osborne, if he is still in situ, will
    revert once again to Labour
    spending plans. "
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    MattNMattN Posts: 2,537
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    Phillip Collins expects the Tories to win
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    MajlisMajlis Posts: 31,362
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    Landis wrote: »
    A short extract from the Philip Collins piece in The Times this morning:


    "Mr Osborne understandably forgot
    to mention his failures on
    Wednesday so it is only fair that I
    make good the omission. Besides, he
    is a politician who is best understood
    by the story he strings together from
    his defeats. Mr Osborne did not say
    that, on his original plans, the deficit
    should have disappeared by now. He
    forgot to admit that he was
    reinstating a target he had
    abandoned because, now he had
    some assets to sell, he could see a
    way to hit it.

    Mr Osborne did not chant, as he
    incited his pantomime audience to
    sing along, two important facts about
    the meagre recovery: “Productivity
    Down! Immigration Up!” It must
    have slipped his mind that the deficit
    in the balance of payments is the
    worst in peace time since 1830.
    Cutting the data to suit himself, he
    failed to point out that the bottom
    40 per cent of the income scale has
    taken the same share of the burden
    of austerity as the top 60 per cent.

    Mr Osborne was the chancellor
    who believed in all manner of
    impossible things before breakfast.
    The sums Mr Osborne did in 2010
    added up only if each of the
    following three years saw the largest
    rise in business investment on record
    and the best year for export growth
    since the nightmare year of 1974.
    Instead, we got a recovery based on
    household debt, consumer spending
    and government schemes to
    stimulate the housing market, a glass
    menagerie of a recovery, both
    precious and fragile at the same time.
    Mr Osborne must be tempted to
    head to the Foreign Office after the
    election and let Sajid Javid clear up
    the mess that is accumulating.

    That’s the bitter fruit of victory.
    For the moment, through the smoke,
    a grinning Mr Osborne is visible in
    the mirrors. After declaring Alistair
    Darling’s plan for deficit reduction
    would turn London into Athens, Mr
    Osborne has actually carried it out
    by accident. Labour has been right
    on the deficit all along and Ed Balls
    is right now. The implied cuts to the
    police, defence and border control in
    Mr Osborne’s revised projections are
    too severe. Already, by the end of
    2015, they will have been cut by
    30 per cent. To try the same again
    will mark the outer limit of public
    acceptance of austerity and Mr
    Osborne, if he is still in situ, will
    revert once again to Labour
    spending plans. "

    is that his comeback song? - its crap! :o
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