exactly.... ie 'fake' (or karaoke) she sounds right (vocal tone), but doesnt express soul. soul isnt so much a style of singing but an expression put into it.
I agree with this. She's a bit like soul music by numbers imo. She makes the right noises and hits the right notes but there isn't really anything more about her vocals.
Soul isn't just about the voice and hitting the notes, it's about emotion, passion, bringing something from deep within to the songs and she just doesn't have enough of that for me.
You see old footage of Otis Redding live and he puts so much passion into his performances, that he is almost collapsing by the end of the song. Ok, people with THAT much soul are rare but there has to be some passion or it isn't soul for me.
And, for the record, I don't see Adele as soul either. She's too 'meh' for me. Amy I think had it though.
Amy had the lifestyle to make her music believable, which Joss Stone doesn't. Also the material isn't really that great in my eyes, the soul sessions are covers so I don't really include them.
Amy had the lifestyle to make her music believable, which Joss Stone doesn't. Also the material isn't really that great in my eyes, the soul sessions are covers so I don't really include them.
It was definitely the Brit Award thing. I was never really a huge fan so I didn't follow her career when she went over to the states. The night of the Brit Awards was the first I had seen of her in ages and when she came out I remember thinking THIS is Joss Stone?? Wtf? I think a lot of people agreed and there was a lot of backlash. Same with Jessie J.
I agree with this. She's a bit like soul music by numbers imo. She makes the right noises and hits the right notes but there isn't really anything more about her vocals.
Soul isn't just about the voice and hitting the notes, it's about emotion, passion, bringing something from deep within to the songs and she just doesn't have enough of that for me.
You see old footage of Otis Redding live and he puts so much passion into his performances, that he is almost collapsing by the end of the song. Ok, people with THAT much soul are rare but there has to be some passion or it isn't soul for me.
And, for the record, I don't see Adele as soul either. She's too 'meh' for me. Amy I think had it though.
Otis Redding was Otis Redding this is not only a Soul thing. The same did Jacques Brel and he did sing Chanson.
Amy had the lifestyle to make her music believable, which Joss Stone doesn't. Also the material isn't really that great in my eyes, the soul sessions are covers so I don't really include them.
Yep, I suspect that a lot of people got into Joss after hearing her on The Soul Sessions, but then weren't too impressed with her original material and so lost interest in her music.
I never liked her there was something unlikeable about her and her oversinging at the end of Band Aid 20 really annoyed me off ... she was too much.
Her singing on the Band Aid 20 was embarrassing to watch and it just sums up everything I hate about about "good" singers who feel that they have to sing five notes where there is only one.
Her singing on the Band Aid 20 was embarrassing to watch and it just sums up everything I hate about about "good" singers who feel that they have to sing five notes where there is only one.
Dusty Springfield had an authentic soul voice. She was a white middle class singer from West Hampstead and Buckinghamshire and her father was a tax accountant. So I don't think your background counts an awful lot. She also went to live in the US, in the 70's, and adopted a tarns-Atlantic accent. It happens. It didn't mean she was in anyway less 'real'.
The only thing that really matters is how singers sound on record. No-one could beat Dusty.
Dusty Springfield had an authentic soul voice. She was a white middle class singer from West Hampstead and Buckinghamshire and her father was a tax accountant. So I don't think your background counts an awful lot. She also went to live in the US, in the 70's, and adopted a tarns-Atlantic accent. It happens. It didn't mean she was in anyway less 'real'.
The only thing that really matters is how singers sound on record. No-one could beat Dusty.
the difference between dusty and joss is that dusty understood soul, she had a passion for it, she could sing in a soulful way, she had more then just a vocal tone... so whilst she was a white middle class girl, the same as joss, her passion for black music gave her an insight as to what soul was about. so ok, class/ethnicity/background might not be necessary as a rule...but it helps and id suggest that dusty is an exception.
I think there are a few factors which led to her becoming less popular.
1) When she left EMI, she no longer had the support of a major record label to promote her.
2) The Brit Awards incident
3) Sadly, people in the UK love seeing someone become a star very quickly but equally they love to pull them down and dissect them at the height of their fame. To name just a few, the same happened with Cheryl Cole (I'm not comparing her talent to Joss'!), Craig David, and is now happening, to a degree, with Leona Lewis.
the difference between dusty and joss is that dusty understood soul, she had a passion for it, she could sing in a soulful way, she had more then just a vocal tone... so whilst she was a white middle class girl, the same as joss, her passion for black music gave her an insight as to what soul was about. so ok, class/ethnicity/background might not be necessary as a rule...but it helps and id suggest that dusty is an exception.
agreed, no one could beat dusty.
There were a lot of things going on in Dusty's personal life that may have been reflected in the quality of the music, perhaps a little like Amy.
Yes, but what was so embarrassing was that while the other singers were just singing Feed The World "straight" so to speak, she was doing all of her vocal acrobatics over the top of them.
Why are people saying "oh she lived in the US" as some sort of excuse for that ridiculous fake accent! She sounds extremely english now despite still living their so she blatantly put it on.
I still like her music, she has an incredible voice and i admire her for going it alone and going against the record label but i dont think anyone will take her seriously now.
Crazy how one public appearance can ruin a career!
Why are people saying "oh she lived in the US" as some sort of excuse for that ridiculous fake accent! She sounds extremely english now despite still living their so she blatantly put it on.
I still like her music, she has an incredible voice and i admire her for going it alone and going against the record label but i dont think anyone will take her seriously now.
Crazy how one public appearance can ruin a career!
She lives in Devon and has for a few years whereas at the time she had been living in the states off and on for some time. and anyway her accent sounded trans-atlantic like mark ronson it was more the mannerisms and hippy dippy persona that i was more like WTF has she taken
And i know i mean i thought it entirely impossible to upstage Russell brand and his ramblings and on she waltzs
Yes, but what was so embarrassing was that while the other singers were just singing Feed The World "straight" so to speak, she was doing all of her vocal acrobatics over the top of them.
Lol the 20th anniversary was really tame in singing opposite the original.
Not much of a fan of Joss but imo you exaggerating a lot for this song.
Yes, but what was so embarrassing was that while the other singers were just singing Feed The World "straight" so to speak, she was doing all of her vocal acrobatics over the top of them.
The whole song was a damp squib compared to the original IMO
well im not convinced by her at all...pity..i do like her voice, but for me shes more karaoke soul then the real thing.
I agree with you. To me there was always something missing with her, a soul singer but with all the edges taken off in order to appeal to the mass market. She has a good voice but nothing going on behind it, I can't explain it but I'm a massive blues fan, and with those singers you can hear the pain and emotion in here voice. This wasn't the case with Joss it was all very.....sterile if that makes sense?
Its a shame, while not a fan I wish she has more success then she does when you consider how successful other female singers with far less talent have been.
Crazy how one public appearance can ruin a career!
Well, aside from the fact that it didnt though.
Joss Stone is still rich, is now out of the label she didnt want to be in, in a group with Mick Jagger among others, the last three albums put out by her (Superheavy (with Jagger et al), LP1 and soul Sessions II have all been very good, LP1 especially) and she has her own label imprint which has a group called Yes Sir Boss (who while not my cup of tea seem at least talented).
She may not be in the mainstream as much as she was music wise, something I attribute more to her falling out with EMI rather than anything else. But everything you see from interviews and everything, even if her mainstream career is "over", she clearly doesnt care and is enjoying how she is.
I agree with you. To me there was always something missing with her, a soul singer but with all the edges taken off in order to appeal to the mass market. She has a good voice but nothing going on behind it, I can't explain it but I'm a massive blues fan, and with those singers you can hear the pain and emotion in here voice. This wasn't the case with Joss it was all very.....sterile if that makes sense?
Its a shame, while not a fan I wish she has more success then she does when you consider how successful other female singers with far less talent have been.
indeed it makes perfect sense...
i too am abit miffed tbh, because i too would like to like her.... i just dont (so far).
There were a lot of things going on in Dusty's personal life that may have been reflected in the quality of the music, perhaps a little like Amy.
I love Amy and Dusty, shows you need more then a good voice. They both knew how to project emotion in their songs. I can't imagine her singing love is a losing game with the same impact for example.
i think part of joss problem was the arrival of other female vocalists. When she first came out she didn't have that much competition, then when she artempted a comeback we were inundated and compared to them her material just didn't cut it.
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I agree with this. She's a bit like soul music by numbers imo. She makes the right noises and hits the right notes but there isn't really anything more about her vocals.
Soul isn't just about the voice and hitting the notes, it's about emotion, passion, bringing something from deep within to the songs and she just doesn't have enough of that for me.
You see old footage of Otis Redding live and he puts so much passion into his performances, that he is almost collapsing by the end of the song. Ok, people with THAT much soul are rare but there has to be some passion or it isn't soul for me.
And, for the record, I don't see Adele as soul either. She's too 'meh' for me. Amy I think had it though.
Amy had the lifestyle to make her music believable, which Joss Stone doesn't. Also the material isn't really that great in my eyes, the soul sessions are covers so I don't really include them.
yep, completely agree
Otis Redding was Otis Redding this is not only a Soul thing. The same did Jacques Brel and he did sing Chanson.
It's the artist not the music style.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMzAmrNS164
Yep, I suspect that a lot of people got into Joss after hearing her on The Soul Sessions, but then weren't too impressed with her original material and so lost interest in her music.
Her singing on the Band Aid 20 was embarrassing to watch and it just sums up everything I hate about about "good" singers who feel that they have to sing five notes where there is only one.
Didn't she only sing in the Choir?
The only thing that really matters is how singers sound on record. No-one could beat Dusty.
the difference between dusty and joss is that dusty understood soul, she had a passion for it, she could sing in a soulful way, she had more then just a vocal tone... so whilst she was a white middle class girl, the same as joss, her passion for black music gave her an insight as to what soul was about. so ok, class/ethnicity/background might not be necessary as a rule...but it helps and id suggest that dusty is an exception.
agreed, no one could beat dusty.
1) When she left EMI, she no longer had the support of a major record label to promote her.
2) The Brit Awards incident
3) Sadly, people in the UK love seeing someone become a star very quickly but equally they love to pull them down and dissect them at the height of their fame. To name just a few, the same happened with Cheryl Cole (I'm not comparing her talent to Joss'!), Craig David, and is now happening, to a degree, with Leona Lewis.
There were a lot of things going on in Dusty's personal life that may have been reflected in the quality of the music, perhaps a little like Amy.
Yes, but what was so embarrassing was that while the other singers were just singing Feed The World "straight" so to speak, she was doing all of her vocal acrobatics over the top of them.
I still like her music, she has an incredible voice and i admire her for going it alone and going against the record label but i dont think anyone will take her seriously now.
Crazy how one public appearance can ruin a career!
She lives in Devon and has for a few years whereas at the time she had been living in the states off and on for some time. and anyway her accent sounded trans-atlantic like mark ronson it was more the mannerisms and hippy dippy persona that i was more like WTF has she taken
And i know i mean i thought it entirely impossible to upstage Russell brand and his ramblings and on she waltzs
Lol the 20th anniversary was really tame in singing opposite the original.
Not much of a fan of Joss but imo you exaggerating a lot for this song.
It seems a lot of poster here are exaggerating.
yeah, indeed, being a gay woman in the early 60's must have been a torment...
I agree with you. To me there was always something missing with her, a soul singer but with all the edges taken off in order to appeal to the mass market. She has a good voice but nothing going on behind it, I can't explain it but I'm a massive blues fan, and with those singers you can hear the pain and emotion in here voice. This wasn't the case with Joss it was all very.....sterile if that makes sense?
Its a shame, while not a fan I wish she has more success then she does when you consider how successful other female singers with far less talent have been.
Well, aside from the fact that it didnt though.
Joss Stone is still rich, is now out of the label she didnt want to be in, in a group with Mick Jagger among others, the last three albums put out by her (Superheavy (with Jagger et al), LP1 and soul Sessions II have all been very good, LP1 especially) and she has her own label imprint which has a group called Yes Sir Boss (who while not my cup of tea seem at least talented).
She may not be in the mainstream as much as she was music wise, something I attribute more to her falling out with EMI rather than anything else. But everything you see from interviews and everything, even if her mainstream career is "over", she clearly doesnt care and is enjoying how she is.
indeed it makes perfect sense...
i too am abit miffed tbh, because i too would like to like her.... i just dont (so far).
I love Amy and Dusty, shows you need more then a good voice. They both knew how to project emotion in their songs. I can't imagine her singing love is a losing game with the same impact for example.
i think part of joss problem was the arrival of other female vocalists. When she first came out she didn't have that much competition, then when she artempted a comeback we were inundated and compared to them her material just didn't cut it.
Even the original was terrible, hate that song.