Is wine a drug? If it is, then yes, I admit to taking drugs
But to me, wine isnt a drug.
Cocaine IS a drug.
Yes it certainly is a drug, a mind altering dangerous substance, no question. Also if we aren't addicted then it's our good luck. People don't choose to be addicts. Rich or poor, parents or not.
Oh does anyone remember the twitter cat fight between peaches and lilly allen?
when she was accused of " pumping and dumping":
IMO, it was probably well known within private circles that she was still using.
it also adds weight to the comment from her former nanny that said " she almost made it.."? Made what I wonder?
Even pumping and dumping is putting a baby at risk FFS>:(
Yes it certainly is a drug, a mind altering dangerous substance, no question. Also if we aren't addicted then it's our good luck. People don't choose to be addicts. Rich or poor, parents or not.
But to have one or two glasses of wine a night isnt addicted!!!!
You said you didn't use drugs that's the point? Enjoying the effects of a couple of glasses of wine is no different to enjoying the effects of any mind altering substance.
Of course it is different. It takes a while to feel the effect of drinking, whereas the effects from drugs is instant.
Using a breast pump and disposing of the breast milk when a women has been drinking and there is doubt as to if the milk is clean (you are only meant to have one unit every two hours so if a woman drinks too much she will have to pump and disregard the the milk until the alcohol is out of her system)
Not sure how in Gods name it works with anything other than booze though!
Sorry, but I do not accept that wine vs heroin is the same.
Ridulous
I don't think anyone is saying they are the same.
I think it's merely making the point that there are some people (and I am not directing this at you per se) who will sneer at drug use and drug users whilst indulging in drug use themselves. For me that's hypocritical.
There are sound arguments that certain legal (and lest we forget, taxed) drugs can cause just as much or indeed more misery/ death than some illegal drugs.
There is of course a sliding scale of risk for each and the classification differences between class A drugs and class C for example are there for a reason.
Yes it certainly is a drug, a mind altering dangerous substance, no question. Also if we aren't addicted then it's our good luck. People don't choose to be addicts. Rich or poor, parents or not.
There are sound arguments that certain legal (and lest we forget, taxed) drugs can cause just as much or indeed more misery/ death than some illegal drugs..
No there aren't.
For a start one is legally supplied, the other is not so how can you compare the effect on the general population in that way?
Try thinking of the percentage of ALL alcohol USERS who suffer severe dependency and addiction vs the same for ALL heroin users.
The latter group suffer far more.
Thanks but I'll take the glass of wine and continue looking down my nose at heroin users.
It's only when things like this happen do I realise just how much misunderstanding of drugs and addiction there is about.
I don't know anything about the girl, I have sympathy only up to the amount I would have for any young woman who died and left children behind, for whatever reason.
But that part is not what I actually find most depressing.
Totally agree bex. I cant read any more of this thread.
No there aren't.
For a start one is legally supplied, the other is not so how can you compare the effect on the general population in that way?
Try thinking of the percentage of ALL alcohol USERS who suffer severe dependency and addiction vs the same for ALL heroin users.
The latter group suffer far more.
Thanks but I'll take the glass of wine and continue looking down my nose at heroin users.
I wonder what the consequences for this country would be if people could just go and buy heroin, crack, crystal meth or any other drug at the local supermarket.
Yes it certainly is a drug, a mind altering dangerous substance, no question. Also if we aren't addicted then it's our good luck. People don't choose to be addicts. Rich or poor, parents or not.
But people choose to take a drug and continue taking that drug until they become addicts.
Peaches did not become addicted to heroin after she chose to take her first hit.
It appears that she went through a partying/drug phase then grew out of it ( like most people) For whatever reason, she chose to take heroin again, despite the fact that she had sole care of young baby, and despite the fact, that she knew first hand the dangers of drugs and earned a pretty penny writing for a parenting magazine in which she harped on about how great of mother she was.
She had the resources both financial and social to help her when she was in self destruct mode or feeling tempted, She could have called someone either professional ( nanny) or social ( friends/family) to take Astala whilst she needed sometime.
She could got access to private psychological help, there are many options she could have taken. I don't see how anyone whilst having sole responsibility for a child could even contemplate taking drugs. Her husband was due home later that day.
A lot of people do not have all the options that peaches did. Consider for example a single isolated mother with no money, and more importantly no social support. if she was feeling tempted/down, she has no one to call or take care of her child. She could not book a taxi to go anywhere, or plan for a mini break, or even just a day at a spa to unwind. She maybe on a long NHS list to get help. If the daily mail reported her death a lot more people would condemn her and I doubt many will be making excuses for her.
But to have one or two glasses of wine a night isnt addicted!!!!
Not speaking about you personally, but I know so many people that do this for a treat .
I really don't see the point of having one or two glasses of wine a night. It seems like a massive waste of calories and will have a poor effect of your skin. I drink wine with a meal ( if the wine complements the food ) but even then it is a few sips.
I think most women would be horrified if they calculated how much of their calorie allowance is wasted via a daily glass of wine or two.
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Yes it certainly is a drug, a mind altering dangerous substance, no question. Also if we aren't addicted then it's our good luck. People don't choose to be addicts. Rich or poor, parents or not.
Not crap, I assure you.:)
What dos that mean?
Ridulous
But to have one or two glasses of wine a night isnt addicted!!!!
Of course it is different. It takes a while to feel the effect of drinking, whereas the effects from drugs is instant.
Also one is banned the other isn't.
Sorry but I disagree. I'm also aware one is banned and one isn't.
http://www.theguardian.com/science/2009/nov/02/david-nutt-dangerous-drug-list
Using a breast pump and disposing of the breast milk when a women has been drinking and there is doubt as to if the milk is clean (you are only meant to have one unit every two hours so if a woman drinks too much she will have to pump and disregard the the milk until the alcohol is out of her system)
Not sure how in Gods name it works with anything other than booze though!
I don't think anyone is saying they are the same.
I think it's merely making the point that there are some people (and I am not directing this at you per se) who will sneer at drug use and drug users whilst indulging in drug use themselves. For me that's hypocritical.
There are sound arguments that certain legal (and lest we forget, taxed) drugs can cause just as much or indeed more misery/ death than some illegal drugs.
There is of course a sliding scale of risk for each and the classification differences between class A drugs and class C for example are there for a reason.
Indeed
Well done, you (and I) got lucky. No need to be smug about it though.
^^This
No there aren't.
For a start one is legally supplied, the other is not so how can you compare the effect on the general population in that way?
Try thinking of the percentage of ALL alcohol USERS who suffer severe dependency and addiction vs the same for ALL heroin users.
The latter group suffer far more.
Thanks but I'll take the glass of wine and continue looking down my nose at heroin users.
Totally agree bex. I cant read any more of this thread.
I wonder what the consequences for this country would be if people could just go and buy heroin, crack, crystal meth or any other drug at the local supermarket.
But people choose to take a drug and continue taking that drug until they become addicts.
Peaches did not become addicted to heroin after she chose to take her first hit.
It appears that she went through a partying/drug phase then grew out of it ( like most people) For whatever reason, she chose to take heroin again, despite the fact that she had sole care of young baby, and despite the fact, that she knew first hand the dangers of drugs and earned a pretty penny writing for a parenting magazine in which she harped on about how great of mother she was.
She had the resources both financial and social to help her when she was in self destruct mode or feeling tempted, She could have called someone either professional ( nanny) or social ( friends/family) to take Astala whilst she needed sometime.
She could got access to private psychological help, there are many options she could have taken. I don't see how anyone whilst having sole responsibility for a child could even contemplate taking drugs. Her husband was due home later that day.
A lot of people do not have all the options that peaches did. Consider for example a single isolated mother with no money, and more importantly no social support. if she was feeling tempted/down, she has no one to call or take care of her child. She could not book a taxi to go anywhere, or plan for a mini break, or even just a day at a spa to unwind. She maybe on a long NHS list to get help. If the daily mail reported her death a lot more people would condemn her and I doubt many will be making excuses for her.
Not speaking about you personally, but I know so many people that do this for a treat .
I really don't see the point of having one or two glasses of wine a night. It seems like a massive waste of calories and will have a poor effect of your skin. I drink wine with a meal ( if the wine complements the food ) but even then it is a few sips.
I think most women would be horrified if they calculated how much of their calorie allowance is wasted via a daily glass of wine or two.
It's her family and children who I feel sorry for.
Every night?