Never thought I would say this but Well done the Daily Mail.
the NHS in wales is a bloody disaster and we have a muppet health minister who seems to think because he doesn't see a problem there is no problem.
If this was going on in England it would be on the news top story
calling 999 is a joke. waiting times are a farce the amount of cancelled appointments are just crazy but if a patient did that you would be off the list.
You can complain and it means nothing its now becoming more acceptable for Crap treatment to be expected. its become so bad we have to take mum private 3 failed operations on a prolapse they said wasn't even there and we had hell on earth trying to get someone to listen to us.
Ed can seriously give Carwyn jones a kick up the arse whenever he likes because they are making a right balls up down here.
Oh well that's a different issue; I would say that there's lots of scope for reductions in non-medical posts in the NHS. However, one factor that's often left out is that Wales is extremely unhealthy. If they adopted a more holistic outlook to treatment i.e. better health education to prevent people from getting sick, the costs would fall.
However, some areas of Wales are rife with poverty. Imagine that massive estate down the road where you've got loads of unemployed people and then clone that into swathes of towns and villages, and you get some idea of the problems in Wales. There's also a massive elderly population of people who retire to the coast, and that places a huge financial burden on local authorities and NHS.
"There has been a lot of EU money provided to help try and bring regeneration, but as far as I'm aware, a lot of it was allocated directly to local councils who used it to spruce up town centres with flowers and new paving slabs instead of taking a slightly more strategic outlook and working with Health & Education to funnel the money to where it actually needs to be."
Well this is the worrying bit, they receive money to try to help and it gets wasted on window dressing.
What they need a root and branch audit. Everyone goes on about waste but no one will allow a proper audit into the spending. Maybe if we can see how the money is channelled it may give an indication as to where they went wrong.
Labour try and improve healthcare for all, the Conservatives don't.
In so trying Labour some times get it wrong or makes mistakes.
To therefore suggest the way forward is the Conservative way of NHS destruction is frankly bizarre.
I don't see any posts saying the way forward is the Conservative way.
The question is why have Labour got it so monumentally wrong. Why have they left Wales NHS in this state and what audits/enquires/root and branch investigation have they instigated to find out how to rectify the mess they have made.
Quite honestly, if they cannot protect the NHS in Wales how on earth are they going to be trusted with it UK wide.
Labour has been accused of trying to cover up warnings over high death rates and lengthy waiting times at hospitals in Wales.
An email written by Sir Bruce Keogh, the medical director in England, said mortality rates at six sites were ‘persistently high’ and criticised ‘worrying’ waits for cancer tests.
But it has emerged that officials in the devolved government tried to suppress the message’s release because the information it contained would ‘prejudice the conduct of public affairs’.
Sir Bruce’s email to Dr Chris Jones, his counterpart in Wales, was only uncovered when it was released under Freedom of Information laws.
An email sent by the director of corporate and legal services at the Welsh Government, Joanna Jordan, to NHS England, argues that there is a risk the two medical directors might be too scared to communicate with each other in future.
The details were uncovered by Conservative MP Charlotte Leslie – again using Freedom of Information laws – who accused the devolved Labour Government in Wales of being ‘committed to cover-ups.’
It is absurd that the directors can behave like this, they should both be fired, as for the cover-ups, well Labour have form on that, Rotherham, how do we know this is not the first line of response with Labour? Whether it is war based on dodgy dossiers, cover ups for fear of race labels, now this, what is going to turn up next?
Surely the priority is putting this particular hospital (and any others like it) under emergency measures to ensure no more patients are being abused or mistreated? The politicians and their sycophants can point fingers at each other after that.
I do wish the politicians would adhere to that, it is a good plan.
Of course but the point to be made is Labour are making the NHS their main campaigning issue and in Wales it's proving they cannot be trusted.
Let's see how proudly they stand by their record in Wales during the GE15, and then let's see how Wales votes, if they vote Labour then good they have who they want, if they choose another party then good Labour get what they deserve.
Never thought I would say this but Well done the Daily Mail.
the NHS in wales is a bloody disaster and we have a muppet health minister who seems to think because he doesn't see a problem there is no problem.
If this was going on in England it would be on the news top story
calling 999 is a joke. waiting times are a farce the amount of cancelled appointments are just crazy but if a patient did that you would be off the list.
You can complain and it means nothing its now becoming more acceptable for Crap treatment to be expected. its become so bad we have to take mum private 3 failed operations on a prolapse they said wasn't even there and we had hell on earth trying to get someone to listen to us.
Ed can seriously give Carwyn jones a kick up the arse whenever he likes because they are making a right balls up down here.
Hi Jilly.
I just hope exposing the reality down here might try and get things moving.
its been bubbling away for some time now. first the ambulance targets being missed year 1 there was uproar by year 3 targets still being missed and just a very muted response.
I still believe crux of the matter they simply cant afford free prescriptions
Nick Ferrari has just been chatting to a women who has 'crossed the border' to get the treatment for her cancer. Apparently Welsh/English health tourism is on the increase.
Hi Jilly.
I just hope exposing the reality down here might try and get things moving.
its been bubbling away for some time now. first the ambulance targets being missed year 1 there was uproar by year 3 targets still being missed and just a very muted response.
I still believe crux of the matter they simply cant afford free prescriptions
Oh dear, it is so good to hear from someone with first hand experience and not just the usual Labour activist rubbish generalisations.
I hope this stays on mainstream media till there is some action for you all. NHS isn't always brilliant but from what I am reading this is sorrowful.
Hi Jilly.
I just hope exposing the reality down here might try and get things moving.
its been bubbling away for some time now. first the ambulance targets being missed year 1 there was uproar by year 3 targets still being missed and just a very muted response.
I still believe crux of the matter they simply cant afford free prescriptions
Hi Oathy
You know better than anybody on here, I admire your fight after what you have gone through. I want any party to be honest about the NHS.
Hi Jilly.
I just hope exposing the reality down here might try and get things moving.
its been bubbling away for some time now. first the ambulance targets being missed year 1 there was uproar by year 3 targets still being missed and just a very muted response.
I still believe crux of the matter they simply cant afford free prescriptions
NHS rules state critically ill patients should have an ambulance with them within eight minutes
But some suffering heart attacks and strokes are waiting around 30 minutes for an ambulance to arrive
Statistics show response times over the past three years have worsened
Well this is the worrying bit, they receive money to try to help and it gets wasted on window dressing.
What they need a root and branch audit. Everyone goes on about waste but no one will allow a proper audit into the spending. Maybe if we can see how the money is channelled it may give an indication as to where they went wrong.
eu money is given for specific uses ONLY ! as i said further up this thread ......
I think we need people to be honest whatever their politics are, we need to support the hard workers in the NHS and expose the bad decision makers.:)
I think the only way the NHS is ever going to be sorted out properly is by taking it out of the hands of government, parties of all colours.
If there was a way of having each hospital responsible for their own budgets and answerable to the Medical council or whatever it is that controls public health, I think we may find a more responsible, more efficient, more caring hospital, GP or whatever.
The problem with political parties is that they state they are the saviours then we find so much bureaucracy clouding the facts and we accept them but then things like this come out and political parties disappear off the airwaves.
Money gets pumped into the NHS and no one ever checks or runs an audit to find where the money went, then they find instead of money spent on frontline staff, that they have recruited another layer of managers to flog the frontline staff. It beggars belief.
I think the NHS is a toy for all political parties and needs to be taken away from them forever.
I think the only way the NHS is ever going to be sorted out properly is by taking it out of the hands of government, parties of all colours.
If there was a way of having each hospital responsible for their own budgets and answerable to the Medical council or whatever it is that controls public health, I think we may find a more responsible, more efficient, more caring hospital, GP or whatever.
The problem with political parties is that they state they are the saviours then we find so much bureaucracy clouding the facts and we accept them but then things like this come out and political parties disappear off the airwaves.
Money gets pumped into the NHS and no one ever checks or runs an audit to find where the money went, then they find instead of money spent on frontline staff, that they have recruited another layer of managers to flog the frontline staff. It beggars belief.
I think the NHS is a toy for all political parties and needs to be taken away from them forever.
The amount of audits which go on in the NHS you wouldn't believe....everything is audited and I mean everything. Somebody knows what is going on and it's not the frontline staff because we see few benefits.
Every hospital responsible for their own budgets could become a bureaucratic nightmare - with even more form filling than occurs today....
eu money is given for specific uses ONLY ! as i said further up this thread ......
I didn't mean the EU. I was talking money given full stop, it doesn't matter where the money comes from there needs to be a full audit produced of expenditure.
As an example, if a company did not have a full audit every so often, in fact never, how would that company know where they are productive and where not?
If the company are buying twenty thousand ink cartridges every year, without an audit which could show that only 10 were used in that year, how would they know that they need only buy 10 per annum, meanwhile they are wasting money on 19,990 cartridges a year.
The amount of audits which go on in the NHS you wouldn't believe....everything is audited and I mean everything. Somebody knows what is going on and it's not the frontline staff because we see few benefits.
Every hospital responsible for their own budgets could become a bureaucratic nightmare - with even more form filling than occurs today....
Well, something is wrong there, why are they not published?
The amount of audits which go on in the NHS you wouldn't believe....everything is audited and I mean everything. Somebody knows what is going on and it's not the frontline staff because we see few benefits.
Every hospital responsible for their own budgets could become a bureaucratic nightmare - with even more form filling than occurs today....
I think you have a point there. However, I would be interested in what king of auditing they do?
Bureaucracy in hospitals today appears to be what France was like in the 90's when I was setting up a company there. At the time I was flabbergasted at the paperwork and the amount of people walking about with scraps of paper looking important and worse, trying to look busy. It wasn't until the accountant went with me that things became clear, for every piece of paper there was a layer of bureaucracy, almost every form needed three people to overlook and sign off, that went on to another level of staff who went through what the first layer had gone through and eventually you would get a stamped paper ready for the Notary.
What in England would have taken a couple of weeks, took three months and I have no idea how many people had to check, check and double check. The amount of people they employed was crazy, I remember the accountant saying if they reduced the staff to 15% of what it was it would be more efficient but people would baulk at losing their jobs even though they did little of value there. It was ridiculous and I thought that could never happen in England but now I fear the socialist practices of France have taken hold of us, never to let go.
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The only one I saw defending Miliband yesterday was Andy Burnham who will be forever tainted by the Staffordshire scandal.
the NHS in wales is a bloody disaster and we have a muppet health minister who seems to think because he doesn't see a problem there is no problem.
If this was going on in England it would be on the news top story
calling 999 is a joke. waiting times are a farce the amount of cancelled appointments are just crazy but if a patient did that you would be off the list.
You can complain and it means nothing its now becoming more acceptable for Crap treatment to be expected. its become so bad we have to take mum private 3 failed operations on a prolapse they said wasn't even there and we had hell on earth trying to get someone to listen to us.
Ed can seriously give Carwyn jones a kick up the arse whenever he likes because they are making a right balls up down here.
Evidence please.
In this instance it is a clear indication that it is under Labour's watch these things are happening.
Why has there not been an audit to see when the money for the NHS has been funnelled to? How what they received was spent? What was prioritised?
Surely, we have to look at how the people suffering ill health are not getting the treatments they need because of Labour's governance?
But of course political point scoring is so easy, deflect attention, poo poo the findings and generalise wherever possible.
It still is not helping those who are suffering in Wales through no fault of their own.
Well this is the worrying bit, they receive money to try to help and it gets wasted on window dressing.
What they need a root and branch audit. Everyone goes on about waste but no one will allow a proper audit into the spending. Maybe if we can see how the money is channelled it may give an indication as to where they went wrong.
I don't see any posts saying the way forward is the Conservative way.
The question is why have Labour got it so monumentally wrong. Why have they left Wales NHS in this state and what audits/enquires/root and branch investigation have they instigated to find out how to rectify the mess they have made.
Quite honestly, if they cannot protect the NHS in Wales how on earth are they going to be trusted with it UK wide.
It is absurd that the directors can behave like this, they should both be fired, as for the cover-ups, well Labour have form on that, Rotherham, how do we know this is not the first line of response with Labour? Whether it is war based on dodgy dossiers, cover ups for fear of race labels, now this, what is going to turn up next?
I do wish the politicians would adhere to that, it is a good plan.
Let's see how proudly they stand by their record in Wales during the GE15, and then let's see how Wales votes, if they vote Labour then good they have who they want, if they choose another party then good Labour get what they deserve.
I thought you might have a comment:)
Hi Jilly.
I just hope exposing the reality down here might try and get things moving.
its been bubbling away for some time now. first the ambulance targets being missed year 1 there was uproar by year 3 targets still being missed and just a very muted response.
I still believe crux of the matter they simply cant afford free prescriptions
Oh dear, it is so good to hear from someone with first hand experience and not just the usual Labour activist rubbish generalisations.
I hope this stays on mainstream media till there is some action for you all. NHS isn't always brilliant but from what I am reading this is sorrowful.
Hi Oathy
You know better than anybody on here, I admire your fight after what you have gone through. I want any party to be honest about the NHS.
These problems are not only happening in wales, http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CCMQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dailymail.co.uk%2Fnews%2Farticle-2673671%2FLives-heart-attack-stroke-victims-England-risk-30-minute-ambulance-delays-new-figures-reveal.html&ei=oAZFVNTkMuvW7Qbc64HABw&usg=AFQjCNFqnOv434_WszTo0I5yjgZ-U5aONQ&bvm=bv.77880786,d.ZGU Lives of heart attack and stroke victims in England being put at risk by 30-minute ambulance delays, new figures reveal
NHS rules state critically ill patients should have an ambulance with them within eight minutes
But some suffering heart attacks and strokes are waiting around 30 minutes for an ambulance to arrive
Statistics show response times over the past three years have worsened
I think we need people to be honest whatever their politics are, we need to support the hard workers in the NHS and expose the bad decision makers.:)
I agree, and if people really want to find out about how things are in the NHS go and ask the people working there.
eu money is given for specific uses ONLY ! as i said further up this thread ......
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/nhs-hospitals-spend-2m-on-gagging-orders-preventing-staff-speaking-out-8654716.html
Maybe not as easy you think it could be
I think the only way the NHS is ever going to be sorted out properly is by taking it out of the hands of government, parties of all colours.
If there was a way of having each hospital responsible for their own budgets and answerable to the Medical council or whatever it is that controls public health, I think we may find a more responsible, more efficient, more caring hospital, GP or whatever.
The problem with political parties is that they state they are the saviours then we find so much bureaucracy clouding the facts and we accept them but then things like this come out and political parties disappear off the airwaves.
Money gets pumped into the NHS and no one ever checks or runs an audit to find where the money went, then they find instead of money spent on frontline staff, that they have recruited another layer of managers to flog the frontline staff. It beggars belief.
I think the NHS is a toy for all political parties and needs to be taken away from them forever.
Usually the NHS is audited to extinction....but I am in England...so not sure
The amount of audits which go on in the NHS you wouldn't believe....everything is audited and I mean everything. Somebody knows what is going on and it's not the frontline staff because we see few benefits.
Every hospital responsible for their own budgets could become a bureaucratic nightmare - with even more form filling than occurs today....
I didn't mean the EU. I was talking money given full stop, it doesn't matter where the money comes from there needs to be a full audit produced of expenditure.
As an example, if a company did not have a full audit every so often, in fact never, how would that company know where they are productive and where not?
If the company are buying twenty thousand ink cartridges every year, without an audit which could show that only 10 were used in that year, how would they know that they need only buy 10 per annum, meanwhile they are wasting money on 19,990 cartridges a year.
Well, something is wrong there, why are they not published?
I think you have a point there. However, I would be interested in what king of auditing they do?
Bureaucracy in hospitals today appears to be what France was like in the 90's when I was setting up a company there. At the time I was flabbergasted at the paperwork and the amount of people walking about with scraps of paper looking important and worse, trying to look busy. It wasn't until the accountant went with me that things became clear, for every piece of paper there was a layer of bureaucracy, almost every form needed three people to overlook and sign off, that went on to another level of staff who went through what the first layer had gone through and eventually you would get a stamped paper ready for the Notary.
What in England would have taken a couple of weeks, took three months and I have no idea how many people had to check, check and double check. The amount of people they employed was crazy, I remember the accountant saying if they reduced the staff to 15% of what it was it would be more efficient but people would baulk at losing their jobs even though they did little of value there. It was ridiculous and I thought that could never happen in England but now I fear the socialist practices of France have taken hold of us, never to let go.
I am not sure if he is still doing this as the article was May last year.
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/health-secretary-jeremy-hunt-goes-on-the-wards-to-make-a-handson-diagnosis-of-the-nhs-8613072.html