Do you ever get the feeling that these people might change their mind when presented with alternatives?
Interested to see the percentage of those supportive of the license fee had gone UP in the later poll - perhaps as people begin to get some education, to counterbalance Mail and Murdoch anti-BBC propaganda.
I'll watch The Shadow Line (tonight) and the recent Exile and let you know if they match The Accused, The Crimson Petal and the White, Fantabulosa and Torchwood Children of Earth. Maybe BBC drama is not crap.
ha was waiting for u to bite.. Thing is you'd say a turd is a masterpiece if it had anything to do with the bbc!
ha was waiting for u to bite.. Thing is you'd say a turd is a masterpiece if it had anything to do with the bbc!
And have Sky CREATED anything like the amount - and quality - of British drama that the BBC has? (despite having more money and costing more to watch).
Come on, he has a point, and this is coming from someone who works for Sky!
Do you ever get the feeling that these people might change their mind when presented with alternatives?
Interested to see the percentage of those supportive of the license fee had gone UP in the later poll - perhaps as people begin to get some education, to counterbalance Mail and Murdoch anti-BBC propaganda.
The second poll didn't have advertising as a means of paying for the BBC as one of its choices, it was either license fee or subscription. 37% chose the former, 41% said the latter.
Pardon? Do you have a point to make that is at all relevant to the thread?
Thing is you'd say a turd is a masterpiece if it had anything to do with the bbc!
That is just nonsense.
Maybe you should watch those dramas rather than just trolling for a reaction. That way you could sensibly add to the discussion rather than appearing to be on a wind-up mission (and adding a big fat zero to the thread into the bargain).
The second poll didn't have advertising as a means of paying for the BBC as one of its choices, it was either license fee or subscription. 37% chose the former, 41% said the latter.
Do you think they'd think the same if they actually new that funding it by commercial means would lead to more commercial programmes?
After all, some already said the BBC was too close the commercial broadcasters!
But if BBC drama had wider appeal for an adult audience and was more inspiring and less dreary then fewer people would feel the need to pay subscriptions to Sky etc.
That is self evident.
i think your first mistake there is thinking that people subscribe to Sky as an alternative, rather than addition, to the BBC / ITV etc.
if the BBC has such narrow appeal, and Sky Atlantic has mass appeal, it is a bit of a mystery why the BBC typically has significantly larger audiences.
And have Sky CREATED anything like the amount - and quality - of British drama that the BBC has? (despite having more money and costing more to watch).
Come on, he has a point, and this is coming from someone who works for Sky!
more money? how do u work that out then?
budgets for sky1 and sky atlantic V's bbc1 and bbc2
budgets for sky1 and sky atlantic V's bbc1 and bbc2
Oh come on! Sky have more money than the BBC, everyone knows that.
And the key question again (which this WHOLE THREAD is base on) :
And have Sky CREATED anything like the amount - and quality - of British drama that the BBC has? (despite having more money and costing more to watch).
Oh come on! Sky have more money than the BBC, everyone knows that.
And the key question again (which this WHOLE THREAD is base on) :
yes they might have but what has that got to do with drama? do the bbc show PL football? nope why not? becasue it costs £1.5 billion a year to the money grabbing PL!!!!!
so like i say whats the budgets of those two channels and then lets compare
I recently read that Sky TV has seen a sharp increase in subscriptions in recent years.
I wonder if this is down to the dreary state of BBC drama, which is pretty depressing.
In the meantime Sky have launched Sky Atlantic which showcases some of the best of HBO which seems to be leaving the BBC in the slow lane.
There is a sense of negativity which runs throughout the BBC like a disease.
Lets be honest, a great deal of the current BBC output is uninspiring at best.
If the BBC made a wider range of drama programmes which appealed to more of the British public, then more people wouldn't feel obliged to pay for subscripion TV.
In many respects the BBC is failing the public it is meant to serve.
Couldn't agree more, Sky are really beginning to come into their own with their own home grown drama. I understand they now have now have their own drama/film unit, Sky Pictures? The final episode of the Runaway last night, rounded off an exceptional series; a brilliantly realised period piece and amazing performances all round, Alan Cumming at his finest hour!
yes they might have but what has that got to do with drama? do the bbc show PL football? nope why not? becasue it costs £1.5 billion a year to the money grabbing PL!!!!!
so like i say whats the budgets of those two channels and then lets compare
even after you take off that £1.5bn, that still leaves Sky with a healthy sounding £3bn a year....
Viewers are preferring it to FX. Atlantic is well outrating FX and it's in over three million less homes.
Don't know where you are getting your figures. In March and April Atlantic averaged 13,140 viewers live and 28,215 consolidated. FX in the same period averaged 24,363 live and 34,309 consolidated. Yes somen individual shows will average higher than an individual show on FX as they have a huge budget in comparisson, but overall FX is performing better.
Sky is always going to be a minority channel - look at these recent viewing figures for its most widely available channels. (W/E 24/04/11)
Sky 1 (Sky homes + VM + BT)
1 SPARTACUS: GODS OF THE ARENA (MON 2211) 1.023m
2 HAWAII FIVE-0/#KE KINOHI ( THE BEGINNING (SUN 2102 847k
3 MARTINA COLES THE RUNAWAY (THU 2059) 811k
4 HOUSE/#THE DIG (THU 2201) 659k
5 A LEAGUE OF THEIR OWN S1 (FRI 2130) 626k
BBC/ITV dramas/soaps/quizzes/news etc regularly rate 4-8 million viewers, and score 40% audience share for a very good reason. Even in Sky homes BBC/ITV beat Sky hands down.
I'd say it's more down to the amount of sport's rights Sky has than anything else.
Exactly, if Sky lost most of their Sports Rights, especially football, the current subscription model would collapse, taking channels like Sky Atlantic, Sky 1 etc... down with it.
Sky is always going to be a minority channel - look at these recent viewing figures for its most widely available channels. (W/E 24/04/11)
Sky 1 (Sky homes + VM + BT)
1 SPARTACUS: GODS OF THE ARENA (MON 2211) 1.023m
2 HAWAII FIVE-0/#KE KINOHI ( THE BEGINNING (SUN 2102 847k
3 MARTINA COLES THE RUNAWAY (THU 2059) 811k
4 HOUSE/#THE DIG (THU 2201) 659k
5 A LEAGUE OF THEIR OWN S1 (FRI 2130) 626k
BBC/ITV dramas/soaps/quizzes/news etc regularly rate 4-8 million viewers, and score 40% audience share for a very good reason.
I'm amazed that the diabolical Pick TV even gets ratings as high as this! I'm not convinced that the BBC and ITV have as big an audience share as the viewing figures would make us believe, I don't trust BARB's method of obtaining viewing figures.
Since becoming a Sky subscriber I barely ever watch anything on BBC, ITV, C4 or C5. I'm not interested in the crappy home grown soaps, sitcoms, talk shows and second rate drama serials that are mostly put out on them. I want to be properly entertained and stimulated and this means the fantastic range of documentaries, up to date movies, superior US imports and the increasing number of quality home grown shows available on Sky. Subscribing isn't cheap but weighed up against the alternative it is definitely worth it.
I'm amazed that the diabolical Pick TV even gets ratings as high as this! I'm not convinced that the BBC and ITV have as big an audience share as the viewing figures would make us believe, I don't trust BARB's method of obtaining viewing figures.
Since becoming a Sky subscriber I barely ever watch anything on BBC, ITV, C4 or C5. I'm not interested in the crappy home grown soaps, sitcoms, talk shows and second rate drama serials that are mostly put out on them. I want to be properly entertained and stimulated and this means the fantastic range of documentaries, up to date movies, superior US imports and the increasing number of quality home grown shows available on Sky. Subscribing isn't cheap but weighed up against the alternative it is definitely worth it.
It is a real shame that the BBC is failing to provide you and many others with the level and range of TV programmes you can get from Sky.
The BBC can no longer compete with Sky for sport and up to date movies, but it is a real disgrace that the drama output is so dreary that it fails to grab the attention of so many people.
Not everyone wants or can afford to subscribe elsewhere.
As I said there is a thread of negativity which runs through the BBC which makes watching and listening to much of its output a miserable experience.
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Viewers are preferring it to FX. Atlantic is well outrating FX and it's in over three million less homes.
The surveys are out of date by years. The amount Sky or Virgin charges has gone up yet they have added more customers.
This has probably been a big factor in Sky numbers rising, but then so can the alternatives (Virgin, FV, FS, etc) make the same claim!
Do you ever get the feeling that these people might change their mind when presented with alternatives?
Interested to see the percentage of those supportive of the license fee had gone UP in the later poll - perhaps as people begin to get some education, to counterbalance Mail and Murdoch anti-BBC propaganda.
ha was waiting for u to bite.. Thing is you'd say a turd is a masterpiece if it had anything to do with the bbc!
And have Sky CREATED anything like the amount - and quality - of British drama that the BBC has? (despite having more money and costing more to watch).
Come on, he has a point, and this is coming from someone who works for Sky!
The second poll didn't have advertising as a means of paying for the BBC as one of its choices, it was either license fee or subscription. 37% chose the former, 41% said the latter.
That is just nonsense.
Maybe you should watch those dramas rather than just trolling for a reaction. That way you could sensibly add to the discussion rather than appearing to be on a wind-up mission (and adding a big fat zero to the thread into the bargain).
Do you think they'd think the same if they actually new that funding it by commercial means would lead to more commercial programmes?
After all, some already said the BBC was too close the commercial broadcasters!
i think your first mistake there is thinking that people subscribe to Sky as an alternative, rather than addition, to the BBC / ITV etc.
if the BBC has such narrow appeal, and Sky Atlantic has mass appeal, it is a bit of a mystery why the BBC typically has significantly larger audiences.
Iain
more money? how do u work that out then?
budgets for sky1 and sky atlantic V's bbc1 and bbc2
Iain
25million house holds paying £140 a year
Oh come on! Sky have more money than the BBC, everyone knows that.
And the key question again (which this WHOLE THREAD is base on) :
yes they might have but what has that got to do with drama? do the bbc show PL football? nope why not? becasue it costs £1.5 billion a year to the money grabbing PL!!!!!
so like i say whats the budgets of those two channels and then lets compare
Couldn't agree more, Sky are really beginning to come into their own with their own home grown drama. I understand they now have now have their own drama/film unit, Sky Pictures? The final episode of the Runaway last night, rounded off an exceptional series; a brilliantly realised period piece and amazing performances all round, Alan Cumming at his finest hour!
is less than 10m households paying £360 a year. (and i was being generous, it was actually £468 per year in 2009.)
in which case, what was your point again?
Iain
even after you take off that £1.5bn, that still leaves Sky with a healthy sounding £3bn a year....
Iain
[The BBC accounts are a year older than the BSkyB ones, but the Licence Fee has been frozen, whilst BSkyB group revenue will probably increase]
Argument killer!:)
Don't know where you are getting your figures. In March and April Atlantic averaged 13,140 viewers live and 28,215 consolidated. FX in the same period averaged 24,363 live and 34,309 consolidated. Yes somen individual shows will average higher than an individual show on FX as they have a huge budget in comparisson, but overall FX is performing better.
Sky 1 (Sky homes + VM + BT)
1 SPARTACUS: GODS OF THE ARENA (MON 2211) 1.023m
2 HAWAII FIVE-0/#KE KINOHI ( THE BEGINNING (SUN 2102 847k
3 MARTINA COLES THE RUNAWAY (THU 2059) 811k
4 HOUSE/#THE DIG (THU 2201) 659k
5 A LEAGUE OF THEIR OWN S1 (FRI 2130) 626k
Pick TV (All digital homes)
1 NIGHT COPS 2 (TUE 2200) 327k
2 CUSTOMS UK S1 (FRI 2131) 294k
3 ROAD WARS S6 (WED 2301) 288k
4 ROAD WARS S6 (FRI 2202) 285k
5 ROAD WARS S6 (WED 2201) 278k
BBC/ITV dramas/soaps/quizzes/news etc regularly rate 4-8 million viewers, and score 40% audience share for a very good reason. Even in Sky homes BBC/ITV beat Sky hands down.
I'm amazed that the diabolical Pick TV even gets ratings as high as this! I'm not convinced that the BBC and ITV have as big an audience share as the viewing figures would make us believe, I don't trust BARB's method of obtaining viewing figures.
Since becoming a Sky subscriber I barely ever watch anything on BBC, ITV, C4 or C5. I'm not interested in the crappy home grown soaps, sitcoms, talk shows and second rate drama serials that are mostly put out on them. I want to be properly entertained and stimulated and this means the fantastic range of documentaries, up to date movies, superior US imports and the increasing number of quality home grown shows available on Sky. Subscribing isn't cheap but weighed up against the alternative it is definitely worth it.
It is a real shame that the BBC is failing to provide you and many others with the level and range of TV programmes you can get from Sky.
The BBC can no longer compete with Sky for sport and up to date movies, but it is a real disgrace that the drama output is so dreary that it fails to grab the attention of so many people.
Not everyone wants or can afford to subscribe elsewhere.
As I said there is a thread of negativity which runs through the BBC which makes watching and listening to much of its output a miserable experience.