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4smiffy4smiffy Posts: 2,161
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Boy George has been to prison for violence against a lover. He is not a suitable role model for a prime time TV show like The Voice. I'm absolutely disgusted with the BBC over this. How come Ched Evans couldn't play football again, yet this man is welcomed into the arms of the BBC for a similar crime?

The BBC have a responsibility to its viewers, they have let us down badly over this.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 246
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    To be fair, it was a prostitute rather than a lover.
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    Bluebird69Bluebird69 Posts: 5,570
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    To be fair, it was a prostitute rather than a lover.

    And that makes it OK??? :confused:

    Just ... wow!
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    thmsthms Posts: 61,009
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    Is it a bbc production?
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    FlowesFlowes Posts: 6,987
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    4smiffy wrote: »
    Boy George has been to prison for violence against a lover. He is not a suitable role model for a prime time TV show like The Voice. I'm absolutely disgusted with the BBC over this. How come Ched Evans couldn't play football again, yet this man is welcomed into the arms of the BBC for a similar crime?

    The BBC have a responsibility to its viewers, they have let us down badly over this.

    Did Boy George admit to the crime he was accused of and serve time? Did Ched Evans admit to the crime he was accused of and serve time?

    I don't believe the crimes are similar. I do believe that the former has cleaned up his act and shouldn't continue to be penalised.

    Nor do I believe the BBC has let its viewers down badly:o
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    viva.espanaviva.espana Posts: 8,500
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    4smiffy wrote: »
    Boy George has been to prison for violence against a lover. He is not a suitable role model for a prime time TV show like The Voice. I'm absolutely disgusted with the BBC over this. How come Ched Evans couldn't play football again, yet this man is welcomed into the arms of the BBC for a similar crime?

    The BBC have a responsibility to its viewers, they have let us down badly over this.

    Oh for goodness sake. ^_^

    What is this role model nonsense? He's a judge on a music show, nothing more, nothing less. No one's asking you to accept him as a role model.
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    trevor tigertrevor tiger Posts: 37,996
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    I am actually surprised with this decision having read about the crime just now. I accept that his behaviour was a result of his drug taking and that he has now stopped taking drugs and personally I'd be happy with that, but if a male celebrity had treated a female in the same manner Boy George did another gay man and been jailed over it it's hard to believe that he'd ever be be employed again let alone on a prime time TV show on BBC 1.

    Maybe it says more about views on homosexuality or maybe escorts rather than a general tolerance of violent and disturbing behaviour :(
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    turquoiseblueturquoiseblue Posts: 2,431
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    I am actually surprised with this decision having read about the crime just now. I accept that his behaviour was a result of his drug taking and that he has now stopped taking drugs and personally I'd be happy with that, but if a male celebrity had treated a female in the same manner Boy George did another gay man and been jailed over it it's hard to believe that he'd ever be be employed again let alone on a prime time TV show on BBC 1.

    Maybe it says more about views on homosexuality or maybe escorts rather than a general tolerance of violent and disturbing behaviour :(

    Absolutely right! And yes sniffy is spot on with his role model comment.
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    fleetfleet Posts: 11,574
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    The BBC knows exactly what it is doing. It knows that Boy George will be an unpopular choice, as is axing Tom Jones. Ratings fall, programme axed, job done!
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    be more pacificbe more pacific Posts: 19,061
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    4smiffy wrote: »
    Boy George has been to prison for violence against a lover. He is not a suitable role model for a prime time TV show like The Voice. I'm absolutely disgusted with the BBC over this. How come Ched Evans couldn't play football again, yet this man is welcomed into the arms of the BBC for a similar crime?

    The BBC have a responsibility to its viewers, they have let us down badly over this.
    If people need "role models" from The Voice and similar shows, then society is really f***ed. I prefer to credit the public with a little intelligence.

    Also, if you don't understand why sex crimes make people more uncomfortable than other violent crimes, then you're in a tiny minority.
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    MrSuperMrSuper Posts: 18,545
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    I'm baffled as to why out of everyone they could have a judge why they chose Boy George! Is he relevant in 2015? You could make the same argument for Tom Jones but he's a legend in his own right. Boy George i just don't get. At all.

    The kids that watch the show, no one under the age of 18 will know who he is.
    fleet wrote: »
    The BBC knows exactly what it is doing. It knows that Boy George will be an unpopular choice, as is axing Tom Jones. Ratings fall, programme axed, job done!

    I fear you may actually be right!
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    Cestrian18Cestrian18 Posts: 6,860
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    I actually had no idea what he'd been in Prison for, but it's pretty heinous, I'm not going to stop watching (mainly because I do believe I'm rehabilitation) but on the BBCs second flagship entertainment show it's an understandably massively contraversial signing- He'll have to be good as a coach, because if he's not then the firing squad will be out for him and the beeb- I can't figure out if I'm impressed or not as it's a huge risk and one I would have associated with Big Brother and C5 than The Voice which is quite MPR really
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    gold2040gold2040 Posts: 3,049
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    who gives a crap

    who gives a toss

    no one
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    4smiffy4smiffy Posts: 2,161
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    If people need "role models" from The Voice and similar shows, then society is really f***ed. I prefer to credit the public with a little intelligence.

    Also, if you don't understand why sex crimes make people more uncomfortable than other violent crimes, then you're in a tiny minority.

    You clearly don't understand a couple of things. People don't need role models, or consciously choose them. Its a term used to describe an influence on human behaviour.

    Secondly, gay sex crimes are sex crimes. Is it somehow more acceptable to you because it was a rent boy he tied up and abused?
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    gottagogottago Posts: 14,094
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    4smiffy wrote: »
    Boy George has been to prison for violence against a lover. He is not a suitable role model for a prime time TV show like The Voice. I'm absolutely disgusted with the BBC over this. How come Ched Evans couldn't play football again, yet this man is welcomed into the arms of the BBC for a similar crime?

    The BBC have a responsibility to its viewers, they have let us down badly over this.
    Leslie Grantham is a convicted murderer but that didn't stop him playing Dirty Den.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 246
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    gottago wrote: »
    Leslie Grantham is a convicted murderer but that didn't stop him playing Dirty Den.

    No, dressing as Captain Hook and masturbating on cam to a journalist did though.

    Funny old world, eh?
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    MerityMerity Posts: 933
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    I'm actually quite shocked that the BBC have done this.
    I knew that Boy George had been in prison but not what for.
    Reading on google what happened etc - it seems pretty horrible.

    This article is very insightful about it.....

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2009/dec/24/boy-george-crime-big-brother

    Clearly lots of people are influenced by celebrities they see on the tv screen and it doesnt sit quite right somehow for the BBC to be promoting someone so controversial..... and there does seem to be double standards at the BBC with whom they champion and whom they dont...

    I dont know what to think about watching the programme - I love the show - but will it feel like condoning if I watch it or should everyone be given a second chance regardless of the crime.....it's a dilema. :confused:
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    be more pacificbe more pacific Posts: 19,061
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    4smiffy wrote: »
    You clearly don't understand a couple of things. People don't need role models, or consciously choose them. Its a term used to describe an influence on human behaviour.
    Yes, I remember how murders of taxi drivers suddenly shot up after EastEnders hired and re-hired Leslie Grantham. And I feel like racially abusing and savagely beating a Vietnamese person every time I see a film starring Mark Wahlberg.

    Such is the nefarious influence of role models.
    4smiffy wrote: »
    Secondly, gay sex crimes are sex crimes. Is it somehow more acceptable to you because it was a rent boy he tied up and abused?
    Boy George was convicted for assault and false imprisonment. Unlike rapist Ched Evans, he is not on the Sex Offenders Register.
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    donna255donna255 Posts: 10,177
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    this is actually the last season in the contract the BBC have paid for anyway. So they either have to up the bigger money to keep The Voice anyway.

    As for Role Model(I hate that f*cking term), old Tom Jones the perfect roll model.

    Oh yes, for years and years cheated on his wife, shagged round with models and beauty queens. Had children which he refused to acknowledge or pay towards. Oh one woman did take him to court and made him pay up. But he still has refused to acknowledge this child.

    As for Boy George and the crime with the male escort, boy you all must live under a rock. It was headline news in every newspaper. The guy went to the papers and sold his story even before the trial. I suppose at the end of the day perhaps he decided to give up doing that type of work and needed the money for a fresh start.
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    DandemDandem Posts: 13,365
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    Merity wrote: »

    I dont know what to think about watching the programme - I love the show - but will it feel like condoning if I watch it or should everyone be given a second chance regardless of the crime.....it's a dilema. :confused:

    Of course not. There's nothing wrong with enjoying a TV show, regardless of the people they choose to cast. I still enjoy the music of 'Lostprophets'. It doesn't mean I condone the twisted behaviour of their lead singer.

    Let's take Chris Brown as another example. He still has an extremely sucessful pop career in the works, despite the incident with Rihanna a few years ago.
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    mossy2103mossy2103 Posts: 84,308
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    donna255 wrote: »
    this is actually the last season in the contract the BBC have paid for anyway. So they either have to up the bigger money to keep The Voice anyway.
    And considering the rather high-profile way that The Voice was singled out by various members of the Government and the DCMS as something that the BBC should not be doing (prior to the Charter Review process), I would be very surprised if the BBC recommissioned it.
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    4smiffy4smiffy Posts: 2,161
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    Yes, I remember how murders of taxi drivers suddenly shot up after EastEnders hired and re-hired Leslie Grantham. And I feel like racially abusing and savagely beating a Vietnamese person every time I see a film starring Mark Wahlberg.

    Such is the nefarious influence of role models.

    Boy George was convicted for assault and false imprisonment. Unlike rapist Ched Evans, he is not on the Sex Offenders Register.

    Just, to explain further, as a child grows up powerful influences play a part in a child's development. Children are initially influenced by their parents and as they grow up they are influenced by their teachers and their peers. Culture and the media are also important influences.

    Role model is a term invented by a sociologist called Robert K. Merton. He argued that individuals compare themselves with people who occupy the social role to which the individual aspires. An example being the way fans will idolise and imitate professional athletes or entertainment artists. Adolescents particularly, are not especially interested in whether the "role model" is a "good" influence and in fact "bad" boys will often be idolised during this time as adolescents are passing through the rebellious phase we all remember.

    For these reasons I believe those who occupy a status in our society have a great responsibility to set a good example. Boy George has been selected by the BBC to be a judge and mentor on a prime time culture show. Due to this man's very dubious pedigree I believe the BBC has made a serious error of judgement.

    Oh and whilst he isn't convicted of raping a woman, his crime was pretty nasty. You seem to be excusing it.
    Boy George was today sentenced to 15 months in jail for falsely imprisoning a male escort by handcuffing him to a wall and beating him with a metal chain.

    The judge told the 47-year-old former Culture Club front man, whose real name is George O'Dowd, he had left the escort "shocked, degraded and traumatised" by the ordeal.

    O'Dowd was found guilty last month of attacking the Norwegian model Audun Carlsen, 29, after he visited the singer's flat in London in April 2007.

    Passing sentence at Snaresbrook crown court, east London, Judge David Radford said the singer's offence was "so serious that only an immediate sentence of imprisonment can be justified".
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    be more pacificbe more pacific Posts: 19,061
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    4smiffy wrote: »
    Just, to explain further, as a child grows up powerful influences play a part in a child's development. Children are initially influenced by their parents and as they grow up they are influenced by their teachers and their peers. Culture and the media are also important influences.

    Role model is a term invented by a sociologist called Robert K. Merton. He argued that individuals compare themselves with people who occupy the social role to which the individual aspires. An example being the way fans will idolise and imitate professional athletes or entertainment artists. Adolescents particularly, are not especially interested in whether the "role model" is a "good" influence and in fact "bad" boys will often be idolised during this time as adolescents are passing through the rebellious phase we all remember.

    For these reasons I believe those who occupy a status in our society have a great responsibility to set a good example. Boy George has been selected by the BBC to be a judge and mentor on a prime time culture show. Due to this man's very dubious pedigree I believe the BBC has made a serious error of judgement.

    Oh and whilst he isn't convicted of raping a woman, his crime was pretty nasty. You seem to be excusing it.
    I'm not excusing Boy George's crime at all. I'm merely pointing out that violent crime - even murder in some circumstances - is treated very differently to sex crime by society. You seemed to be suggesting RAPIST Ched Evans is being treated unfairly in comparison to Boy George, as if the sexual nature of Evans' crime shouldn't make a difference.

    Do you think the BBC should boycott all Mark Wahlberg movies and refuse to invite him on chat shows? His crime was particularly vicious.
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    Del88Del88 Posts: 3
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    I for one am so pleased that Boy George is being let in from the wilderness. This man has been shunned by the music industry and media for so long and his talent completely ignored by too many. Yes he had a drug habit, yes he has done things that may not sit well with narrow minded, let's jump on that tardy headline mentality. But what makes me so livid is that the likes of many drug taking, bed hopping, media junkies is accepted. Half of you bemoaning Boy George have probably got many artists music in your collection that have lived far worse lifestyles.
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    4smiffy4smiffy Posts: 2,161
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    I'm not excusing Boy George's crime at all. I'm merely pointing out that violent crime - even murder in some circumstances - is treated very differently to sex crime by society. You seemed to be suggesting RAPIST Ched Evans is being treated unfairly in comparison to Boy George, as if the sexual nature of Evans' crime shouldn't make a difference.

    Do you think the BBC should boycott all Mark Wahlberg movies and refuse to invite him on chat shows? His crime was particularly vicious.

    I think that each crime was disgusting. As role models both O'Dowd and Evans are inappropriate. And yes, the BBC should boycott Wahlberg and his movies.
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    Gigi4Gigi4 Posts: 3,631
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    I'm not excusing Boy George's crime at all. I'm merely pointing out that violent crime - even murder in some circumstances - is treated very differently to sex crime by society. You seemed to be suggesting RAPIST Ched Evans is being treated unfairly in comparison to Boy George, as if the sexual nature of Evans' crime shouldn't make a difference.

    Do you think the BBC should boycott all Mark Wahlberg movies and refuse to invite him on chat shows? His crime was particularly vicious.

    But most sex crimes are violent crimes! So i don/t see the distinction. If you force someone to do something sexually against their will, you are using physical force most of the time.

    Also, Mark Wahlberg is playing characters in movies, he is not mentoring young people which I understand people on the Voice do.

    But perhaps George being sent to jail could work in his advantage as a mentor. People who have committed crimes and been sent to jail mentor young people all the time. They are in a good position to tell young people how to avoid making the mistakes they did. So to me it doesn't follow that someone who has been sent to jail can never be a mentor.
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