As a non-book reader (mostly) then I'm still a bit patchy on how the various houses interact. I'm expecting house Martell to go crazy after the death of their prince. I don't know if Oberyn had brothers or sisters but I doubt his death will just be forgotten. It could well be the nail in the coffin of the Lannisters.
Oberyn's Relations mentioned so far.
Doran Martell Older Brother, the Ruler of Dorne (has at least one Son who is betrothed to Myrcella Baratheon)
Sister Elia Targeryan (had two children) all killed by the Mountain.
His 8 Daughters.
Doran Martell Older Brother, the Ruler of Dorne (has at least one Son who is betrothed to Myrcella Baratheon)
Sister Elia Targeryan (had two children) all killed by the Mountain.
His 8 Daughters.
I really like Sansa's development in this series and especially in the last two episodes. Petyr is a very complex character so I am really looking forward to how this progresses.
Doran Martell Older Brother, the Ruler of Dorne (has at least one Son who is betrothed to Myrcella Baratheon)
Sister Elia Targeryan (had two children) all killed by the Mountain.
His 8 Daughters.
Yep. Oberyn's older brother has been mentioned a few times this season. In the first episode, the guy on the horse*, said he had been ill recently when he spoke to Tyrion, Bronn, and Podrick. *Checked on a TV-paced website - his name is Lord Blackmont.
Question ... does anyone know if the next episode is solely about Castle Black? Like Blackwater, S2 E9. Feel free to put the answer in tags. Thanks
Dorne didn't have a confession from the Mountain before episode #8 though. Now they do.
No they don't. The Mountain confessed to the killings, but left out the part about doing so under orders from Tywin, which is what Oberyn wanted to hear.
Question ... does anyone know if the next episode is solely about Castle Black? Like Blackwater, S2 E9. Feel free to put the answer in tags. Thanks
Most Likely. There may be the odd scene elsewhere as someone not in the Castle Black storyline mentioned in an interview about working with Neil Marshal the episode's director and it's the only episode he has done this season.
Most Likely. There may be the odd scene elsewhere as someone not in the Castle Black storyline mentioned in an interview about working with Neil Marshal the episode's director and it's the only episode he has done this season.
Doran Martell Older Brother, the Ruler of Dorne (has at least one Son who is betrothed to Myrcella Baratheon)
Sister Elia Targeryan (had two children) all killed by the Mountain.
His 8 Daughters.
I guess we'll be meeting his bro at some point then.
Yes, I'm getting sick of it, too. I've sworn off this topic many times, but I like to discuss the recent episode like everyone else (helps me purge emotions from when something horrible happens on an episode...like last night).
All the "ahhh remember this, it's important later", and the gently nudges of "ahh just think about it, this and this, and this shows what happens next". Some **** ruined who was going to fight episodes before we should know, something that was the focus of the nearly then entire of the next week's episode, with their gently nudging, and "wink, wink". they didn't directly say so it wasn't a spoiler, but for anyone that can add 2+2 it was made plain obvious. Book spoilers people just get the hell out of the topic!
Agree with this,I'm glad i only got into game of thrones a couple of months ago in a way.i have caught up now and everything has been a surprise.The thing is even though you shouldnt have to,its best to stay away from these threads until the season ends.you never know what is a spoiler or a genuine speculation.
i learned that the hard way on the walking dead thread,where people are always pretending to be clever with their hints.that just happen to come to fruition even though no signs pointed towards it.
Having watched the episode again, I think it does look like the Mountain probably died at the end, too. Not only does he keel over, but final wound Oberyn inflicts on him has him spitting blood. That's not a wound anyone in that sort of world is recovering from.
So if both Oberyn and the Mountain perish in combat, does Tywin really have a leg to stand on when condemning Tyrion? It might not be enough to set him free, but it would surely be enough to say the trial must continue - either as a standard trial or a new trial-by-combat.
@Hellbore Oberyn specifically mentions the Mountain dying so I think with both champions dead the 'gods' have not decided either way! However I expect that the law is not in favour of the accused, the stalemate is likely to be catered for if Tywin is so confident of the verdict.
Well that was pretty gruesome. I knew it was coming but didn't expect it to be quite so graphic! Good old GoT, always makes your jaw drop.
Elsewhere some good stuff - Dany's dismissal of Jorah, Sansa finally playing the Game, Arya's brilliant reaction on hearing of her aunt's death (!).
On the minus side, really not interested in any romance between Grey Worm and Missandei, the Theon / Ramsay plot is a yawn and I'm really not feeling any sense of peril at all at the Wall because in spite of the "100,000" coming at them we've seen nothing but a handful of wildlings slaughtering unarmed civilians in the local area. Presumably in episode 9 or 10 we'll finally get a reveal of Mance's army north of the Wall and maybe then we'll actually think "oh sh**, how are they going to get out of this one?"
ETA: Also on the minus side, it looks like Aiden Gillen has completely given up attempting an English accent.
On the royal pardon - I think the seal was a Red Hand so I suppose that's The Hand Of The King, made to look like the previous Hand but more likely Tywin a lot more recently than made out. That's how I took it. They made a deal out of Tywin writing something at one of the councils (I remember him asking the useless Martell to fetch him his quill or something like that) so it's likely to be this.
Either that or Jorah was working for N. Irish paramiltary groups!
The Sopranos has always been the best thing i've ever watched but not once, ever, did i watch that and have any WTF moments but i can think of 5 off the top of my head since i started watching GoT and that episode was the biggest WTF so far!
Every week this series throws at us out of the blue at least one totally memorable and wholly unexpected moment at you. This week's ep had at least 4. OMG. It is superb. Thank goodness I have not read the books or even 90% of the threads on here. I often don't see the plot twists coming.
I am so disappointed, I thought Oberyn was going to kill the mountain. Why why why did he have to mess around and get himself killed at the last minute? aaaahhhh it's maddening , I was more upset that he got himself killed than about how bloody it was. >:(
I thought the Daenerys stuff was better this week it had been getting repetitive, but the twist with Jorah was unexpected . I always thought he was her only true friend .
Having watched the episode again, I think it does look like the Mountain probably died at the end, too. Not only does he keel over, but final wound Oberyn inflicts on him has him spitting blood. That's not a wound anyone in that sort of world is recovering from.
So if both Oberyn and the Mountain perish in combat, does Tywin really have a leg to stand on when condemning Tyrion? It might not be enough to set him free, but it would surely be enough to say the trial must continue - either as a standard trial or a new trial-by-combat.
Oberyn was definitely killed first though, so even if the Mountain died seconds later he still won the fight by taking his opponent out first. Because of that the trial by combat did succeed.
I watched the show, knew it was the kind of thing I liked, so read the books so that I didnt get spoiled
Books are better and having read the books actually makes the show more enjoyable too. It's getting a lot more divergent as it goes on....the last couple of episodes were about 20% from the books, 80% entirely new scenes and dialogue. It's getting to the same place, but on a different road.
Fully agree, although I am not sure that the books are better. I also read the books after seeing season one, and I find that I enjoy the shows more as a result. They are indeed two different products
I have found the divergence between the books and the TV show fascinating, and feel that the TV show is superior in a number of respects - faster paced, and some of the battle/ fight scenes such as the Blackwater, Red Wedding and this weeks fight (ugh), are better on screen that in print.
I am so disappointed, I thought Oberyn was going to kill the mountain. Why why why did he have to mess around and get himself killed at the last minute? aaaahhhh it's maddening , I was more upset that he got himself killed than about how bloody it was. >:(
Tyrion had already been saved once via trial by combat, plus GRR Martin likes nothing more than to surprise his audience, even if it means killing off a popular character.
I thought the Daenerys stuff was better this week it had been getting repetitive, but the twist with Jorah was unexpected . I always thought he was her only true friend .
I'm glad the Jorah storyline is progressing, it hasn't really changed in the past two or three seasons. He fancies her, she's not interested, he dutifully follows her around as she captures cities. Repeat. At least now there's something new happening, wonder if we'll see him again? Presumably we will.
I didn't really get why it has taken as long as it has for the pardon signed by Robert to reach him - does any know how long in story time has it been since the pardon was issued? And having traveled all that way, why would such an important document just be handed off by some kid to, as it turned out, the wrong recipient?
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Oberyn's Relations mentioned so far.
Doran Martell Older Brother, the Ruler of Dorne (has at least one Son who is betrothed to Myrcella Baratheon)
Sister Elia Targeryan (had two children) all killed by the Mountain.
His 8 Daughters.
So I guess his sister was Danys' sister in law.
Yeah.
Though Dany would never have met her.
That was a brilliant reaction video! You could see who did and who didnt know what was going to happen. I want to go watch it at that bar!
Yep. Oberyn's older brother has been mentioned a few times this season. In the first episode, the guy on the horse*, said he had been ill recently when he spoke to Tyrion, Bronn, and Podrick. *Checked on a TV-paced website - his name is Lord Blackmont.
Question ... does anyone know if the next episode is solely about Castle Black? Like Blackwater, S2 E9. Feel free to put the answer in tags. Thanks
Part of the deal was that Tyrion would confess to murdering Joffrey and he refused.
No they don't. The Mountain confessed to the killings, but left out the part about doing so under orders from Tywin, which is what Oberyn wanted to hear.
Thanks Corwin
I guess we'll be meeting his bro at some point then.
Agree with this,I'm glad i only got into game of thrones a couple of months ago in a way.i have caught up now and everything has been a surprise.The thing is even though you shouldnt have to,its best to stay away from these threads until the season ends.you never know what is a spoiler or a genuine speculation.
i learned that the hard way on the walking dead thread,where people are always pretending to be clever with their hints.that just happen to come to fruition even though no signs pointed towards it.
So if both Oberyn and the Mountain perish in combat, does Tywin really have a leg to stand on when condemning Tyrion? It might not be enough to set him free, but it would surely be enough to say the trial must continue - either as a standard trial or a new trial-by-combat.
Elsewhere some good stuff - Dany's dismissal of Jorah, Sansa finally playing the Game, Arya's brilliant reaction on hearing of her aunt's death (!).
On the minus side, really not interested in any romance between Grey Worm and Missandei, the Theon / Ramsay plot is a yawn and I'm really not feeling any sense of peril at all at the Wall because in spite of the "100,000" coming at them we've seen nothing but a handful of wildlings slaughtering unarmed civilians in the local area. Presumably in episode 9 or 10 we'll finally get a reveal of Mance's army north of the Wall and maybe then we'll actually think "oh sh**, how are they going to get out of this one?"
ETA: Also on the minus side, it looks like Aiden Gillen has completely given up attempting an English accent.
Either that or Jorah was working for N. Irish paramiltary groups!
I thought the Daenerys stuff was better this week it had been getting repetitive, but the twist with Jorah was unexpected . I always thought he was her only true friend .
A spoiler death in this French preview for next week.
Oberyn was definitely killed first though, so even if the Mountain died seconds later he still won the fight by taking his opponent out first. Because of that the trial by combat did succeed.
Fully agree, although I am not sure that the books are better. I also read the books after seeing season one, and I find that I enjoy the shows more as a result. They are indeed two different products
I have found the divergence between the books and the TV show fascinating, and feel that the TV show is superior in a number of respects - faster paced, and some of the battle/ fight scenes such as the Blackwater, Red Wedding and this weeks fight (ugh), are better on screen that in print.
Tyrion had already been saved once via trial by combat, plus GRR Martin likes nothing more than to surprise his audience, even if it means killing off a popular character.
I'm glad the Jorah storyline is progressing, it hasn't really changed in the past two or three seasons. He fancies her, she's not interested, he dutifully follows her around as she captures cities. Repeat. At least now there's something new happening, wonder if we'll see him again? Presumably we will.
I didn't really get why it has taken as long as it has for the pardon signed by Robert to reach him - does any know how long in story time has it been since the pardon was issued? And having traveled all that way, why would such an important document just be handed off by some kid to, as it turned out, the wrong recipient?
You do realise that telling people that a character is going to die is a spoiler in itself right? >:(