Who writes their own music now

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  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 118
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    pink ;)
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    Sex wrote: »
    Lana del Rey....:o
    kadylou wrote: »
    pink ;)

    Neither of them do. Lana wrote the majority of her first album by herself, but her second is completely co-written. As for pink, I can't think of a single song she has written by herself, but guessing by the wink, you already knew that.
  • marcusgvmarcusgv Posts: 135
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    Co-writing snobbery is peculiar. That term covers two extremes; people who contribute nothing substantial and people who create essentially everything, so you have to engage a bit of common sense and look at the bigger picture when judging someones songwriting ability. Not just dismiss them because there are two or more names in the credits.

    I don't think this 'snobbery' is entirely out of place.
    I've grown up listening to Bob Dylan, Van Morrison, Leonard Cohen, Lou Reed, Bruce Springsteen, Joni Mitchell and many others. They are all singer-songwriters, commentators on their life and times and provide a worthy depth to their work. It's difficult to say that about most modern artists.

    Calvin Harris is a talented musician and producer but most of his work is pretty shallow. Amy Winehouse and Eminem are worth a listen and a study and Taylor Swift has a great sense of humour and irony. But it is the personal involvement in their output that makes it worth listening to.

    In the end it's whether you see pop stars as artists or craftspersons.
  • cashloot147cashloot147 Posts: 609
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    As much as I dislike her music, Taylor Swift writes alot of her own material.
  • marcusgvmarcusgv Posts: 135
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    To be fair, the Beatles had four people to co-write their songs. That's not really comparable to a solo artist.

    A bit misleading to suggest that The Beatles wrote as a foursome..very, very rarely was that the case. Harrison wrote almost all of his stuff on his own, as did Lennon and McCartney after '62.

    Bands can be more of a creative force than a solo artist but I wouldn't say that to Dylan, Springsteen and Wonder.
    Smudged wrote: »
    Discussing the most popular stuff is fair enough I suppose. What's weird to me is how some people seem to think it's representative of the way music is made in general.

    It is a fair point but there was a time when more creative artists did actually dominate the charts. The fragmentation of the listening audience amongst other things has contributed to the changes.
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    marcusgv wrote: »
    It is a fair point but there was a time when more creative artists did actually dominate the charts. The fragmentation of the listening audience amongst other things has contributed to the changes.
    I was going to criticise you for cherry picking the best artists from the past to make your point but seeing as you do recognise how much the music landscape has changed since then I'll let you off :p:).
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    marcusgv wrote: »
    I don't think this 'snobbery' is entirely out of place.
    I've grown up listening to Bob Dylan, Van Morrison, Leonard Cohen, Lou Reed, Bruce Springsteen, Joni Mitchell and many others. They are all singer-songwriters, commentators on their life and times and provide a worthy depth to their work. It's difficult to say that about most modern artists.

    Calvin Harris is a talented musician and producer but most of his work is pretty shallow. Amy Winehouse and Eminem are worth a listen and a study and Taylor Swift has a great sense of humour and irony. But it is the personal involvement in their output that makes it worth listening to.

    In the end it's whether you see pop stars as artists or craftspersons.

    Co-writing doesn't inherently prevent a personal output, though. Obviously it makes it easier for your music to be personal if you have more involvement, but as I stated...co-writing credit =/= minimal creative input.

    Calvin Harris makes party music in the '10s. He's clearly not aiming for emotional depth or beautifully crafted lyrics, rather crafting a melody that will get people singing along in unison and a beat that will make them move. He's not storytelling in a conventional singer/songwriter manner, he's setting a scene and creating a mood.

    You can flip it and say Bob Dylan would be shit at making a room feel euphoric and want to dance. Different artists have different goals, neither one is better or more respectable by default.
  • marcusgvmarcusgv Posts: 135
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    Calvin Harris makes party music in the '10s. He's clearly not aiming for emotional depth or beautifully crafted lyrics, rather crafting a melody that will get people singing along in unison and a beat that will make them move. He's not storytelling in a conventional singer/songwriter manner, he's setting a scene and creating a mood.

    You can flip it and say Bob Dylan would be shit at making a room feel euphoric and want to dance. Different artists have different goals, neither one is better or more respectable by default.

    There are so many artists in the past who could get you to dance and think at the same time (Stevie Wonder, Marvin, Marley, Jackson, Roxy...) that the Calvin Harris point just doesn't stand up to analysis. There's just so little to that music.

    The Bob Dylan thing is fair enough, although he has tried.
  • Eric_BlobEric_Blob Posts: 7,756
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    I agree about Calvin Harris. A lot of his songs recently have been quite poor. And some of his songs aren't even that good for dancing to anyway. There's much better songs out there that make you want to dance, even though they're a slower tempo. R.I.P. by Rita Ora, is also pretty meaningless to be fair, but it's 70 beats per minute, and still fantastic for dancing to. It gets you moving your hips, which Calvin's songs don't do.
  • Elphie_LivesElphie_Lives Posts: 4,455
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    I can only name one Amy Macdonald

    I can only think of one artist who writes all her own stuff - Amy Macdonald
    from other thread.

    Amy is that you?
  • performingmonkperformingmonk Posts: 20,086
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    Just because Taylor Swift's 'thing' is that she writes all her songs about boys she's been with etc. doesn't mean that's the truth of it.
  • mimicolemimicole Posts: 50,973
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    Laura Marling.
  • BluesTrainRadioBluesTrainRadio Posts: 990
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    As has been mentioned, the vast majority of artists outside of the top 40 write their own music. I know most of the Digital Spy crowd like chart pop music but if they just opened their ears to other styles, they will find some wonderful music available out there.

    The OP saying that Amy MacDonald is the only one is so far wide of the mark to almost be laughable!
  • SummerShudderSummerShudder Posts: 1,170
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    Deftones, Jimmy Eat World, Silversun Pickups, Yellowcard, Blink 182. My Chemical Romance, Fiona Apple, Red Hot Chili Peppers, Alter Bridge, Paramore, Stone Sour, The Gaslight Anthem, Rise Against....need I go on?
  • bananashakebananashake Posts: 2,635
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    Marina Diamandis, lead singer of Marina & the Diamonds, wrote the whole of her first album on her own, and it was BRIT nominated! She wrote several songs on her second album on her own and co-wrote with some others.

    Florence Welch, from Florence & the Machine, writes all of her songs and co-writes on others while Example also writes his own material, again he co-writes songs to but also writes songs for other bands.

    Lana Del Rey writes all of her stuff to and writes for other people too!
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    Marina Diamandis, lead singer of Marina & the Diamonds, wrote the whole of her first album on her own, and it was BRIT nominated! She wrote several songs on her second album on her own and co-wrote with some others.

    Florence Welch, from Florence & the Machine, writes all of her songs and co-writes on others while Example also writes his own material, again he co-writes songs to but also writes songs for other bands.

    Lana Del Rey writes all of her stuff to and writes for other people too!

    I'm afraid your wrong, Lana Del Ray has co-writers. I'm sure anybody with talent wouldn't need Lana to write a song for them either.
  • Hav_mor91Hav_mor91 Posts: 17,183
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    Jessie Ware one of my favourite new talents wrote her entire debut album and was regularly regarded as one of the best albums of last year and has had her nominated for 2 Brits.
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    from other thread.

    Amy is that you?

    I came into this thread thinking it was the same one. I thought there couldn't be 2 threads about someone thinking Amy McDonald is the only singer who writes her own songs... how wrong I was.
    mimicole wrote: »
    Laura Marling.

    Love her :)
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    Hav_mor91 wrote: »
    Jessie Ware one of my favourite new talents wrote her entire debut album and was regularly regarded as one of the best albums of last year and has had her nominated for 2 Brits.

    Jessie Ware didn't write a single song on her album by herself.
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    Why do people keep naming people who use co-writers? Neither Marina Diamandis or Florence Welch wrote their albums alone. Writing a couple songs on your own is not the same as writing an album.
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    I can only name one Amy Macdonald

    Maybe I'm wrong but did The Who co-write ,The Beatles , Queen etc . I don't think so.

    Of our modern day artistes
    Adele , Emeli Sande , Jessie J - all co - writers

    There are countless modern day bands and artists who write their own material. You need to listen to XFM!
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  • boddismboddism Posts: 16,436
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    Co- writers is not a problem per se, esp if theres an established partnership- we dont look down on Elton John cos he wrote with Bernie Taupin or Robbie Williams teaming up with Guy Chambers.

    I think the issue is more when major artists have next to no writing credentials. OK, I get the Elvis argument that some people are more entertainers, but when it becomes ubiquitious & the music scene is awash with non writers, it makes you question how dedicated to the art of musicianship some music stars are.
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    boddism wrote: »
    Co- writers is not a problem per se, esp if theres an established partnership- we dont look down on Elton John cos he wrote with Bernie Taupin or Robbie Williams teaming up with Guy Chambers.

    I think the issue is more when major artists have next to no writing credentials. OK, I get the Elvis argument that some people are more entertainers, but when it becomes ubiquitious & the music scene is awash with non writers, it makes you question how dedicated to the art of musicianship some music stars are.
    Very well said :-)
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    sjp07 wrote: »
    Why do people keep naming people who use co-writers? Neither Marina Diamandis or Florence Welch wrote their albums alone. Writing a couple songs on your own is not the same as writing an album.

    Actually, on her first album, Marina wrote 8/13 tracks all by herslef, that means with no-one else, and the other 5 only had one or two other writers!

    Anyway, what's is wrong with co-writing a song? Florence writes most of the material anyway, as she has the first credit, and the only other writers are long term friend and collaboraor, Isabella Summers or Paul Epworth! Otherwise, she wrote the songs entirley on her own!
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