They are hardly sensationalist. If you think that the authors of this report, which took 18 months of work, are lying then you should take it up with them.
Instead of trying to make excuses for disability hate crimes, maybe you could look at the evidence which proves that it exists, and then maybe you could condemn the people who carry out this abuse.
Nobody is saying that every disabled person is being abused, but there are far too many cases, and sadly they are increasing. Pretending that such abuse does not exist only serves to make things worse. Many cases have started with relatively trivial abuse, but this abuse escalated when it was simply dismissed at the outset.
And frankly all you are doing is blindly defending a politically motivated study that bases all its evidence on blindly counting words in articles. Sorry that methodology is bunk, and any conclusions that follow are simply questionable.
An embarrassing load of totally irrelevant claptrap. The facts and figures are there in the report. One Dutch bloke writing about something totally different has no bearing on the report that I quoted! The evidence in the report I quoted has come from a wide and representative cross-section of the media.
You have again come up with precisely nothing to contradict these facts. It quotes the actual number of occurences and compares it to the picture of a few years ago. I have read the report, something which you clearly have not done. Maybe you should actually read the report before you pass comment!
It is pretty disgusting that anyone could callously dismiss what is happening to many people with disabilities...if you bothered to look for the evidence then you would see it staring you in the face.
Look at all the comments after the Observer article. Look at all the comments about both that article and the Inclusion London report on various disability forums. That proves the accuracy of both! The fact that you blindly dismiss what is happening is your issue, but the decent people will continue the fight against prejudice.
"Facts" and figures in that report are about as "factual" as bible code. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bible_code Your bias is blinding you to just how extreme a jump it is to make far reaching conclusions on such junk data.
"Facts" and figures in that report are about as "factual" as bible code. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bible_code Your bias is blinding you to just how extreme a jump it is to make far reaching conclusions on such junk data.
Oh dear, it gets worse! I use actual factual figures taken from a very large study of media articles, the accounts of many hundreds of people from the Observer comments page and from disability forums and I am accused of bias! You use no evidence whatsoever and are of course totally impartial! Hilarious! Hostility and abuse towards people with disabilities clearly exists...that is beyond any doubt.
The evidence is clear that such hostility is increasing, and that the main source is the inaccurate stories in the media. You only have to look at stories like the 2 Daily Mail articles on Motability which were proven to be full of lies, lies which were repeated in the broadsheets, like the Telegraph. Then there was the Express story about 4 million families who were supposedly benefit scrounging, which was again proven to be a pack of lies. Then you have the numerous stories misrepresenting the "fit for work" figures. Then you have the numerous lies, repeated only yesterday in the Telegraph, about benefit fraud figures. Then you have the regular benefit fraud cases reported in the likes of the Mail, which give a totally false picture as even though there are tens of thousands more people on the wrong end of DLA/IB/ESA decisions who win their appeal, they have never reported on even one such case.
Now all that is bias, and that is the main, totally unacceptable, cause of the increase in hostility. That is why various submissions are being made to the Leveson enquiry by disability groups and why even the NUJ has warned their members to report accurately on disability articles. It is also why the Work and Pensions Committee condemned the inaccurate stories and pejorative language used in the media.
The huge amount of evidence clearly backs up what I have said. The fact that you have still offered no evidence whatsoever and the fact that you have still refused to acknowledge this overwhelming evidence and also have not condemned such hostility toward people with disabilities says it all. You have obviously not read the Inclusion London report and you have offered nothing to even try to prove that what was said in that thorough and factual report was incorrect. You have also clearly not read all the comments after the Observer article and have also clearly not read the posts on the various disability forums, or are you calling them all liars?
Feel free to live in denial, but that is the stance that helps to make the problem far worse. Don't worry though as there are many decent people who find hostility and abuse directed at people due to their disability to be totally unaceptable. They have acknowledged the facts and are working hard to highlight the causes, and to ensure suitable punishment for the cowardly bullies who carry out this vile abuse. Your stance of total denial is completely irrelevant as it totally contradicts the reality for many thousands of people.
They should have classes in school to teach people about these things before they develop predudices, not just on disabled people, but people of different races, people belonging to subcultures etc...
......... I use actual factual figures taken from a very large study of media articles,............
the main source is the inaccurate stories in the media. .................
I see ... any media articles which suit the FM's case are factual, any which don't support it are inaccurate.
Personally, I find it hard to believe that anyone, other than a few morons, is offensive, in any way, to people with disbilities.
London isn't exactly noted for being stranger-friendly, yet whenever I've seen a disabled person get on a bus, everyone's gone out of their way to be accomodating. I've even seen women with children in buggies get off without argument, when the driver tells them the disabled person has priority.
Not what you'd call a scientific sample, but this is an area of London where I've only been in the houses of a couple of neighbours, despite living in mine for 34 years.
Of course, I'm omitting the arguments you can get into if you come out of a toilet suitable for use by the disabled, and there's a disabled person had to wait two minutes.
I see ... any media articles which suit the FM's case are factual, any which don't support it are inaccurate.
Personally, I find it hard to believe that anyone, other than a few morons, is offensive, in any way, to people with disbilities.
London isn't exactly noted for being stranger-friendly, yet whenever I've seen a disabled person get on a bus, everyone's gone out of their way to be accomodating. I've even seen women with children in buggies get off without argument, when the driver tells them the disabled person has priority.
Not what you'd call a scientific sample, but this is an area of London where I've only been in the houses of a couple of neighbours, despite living in mine for 34 years.
Of course, I'm omitting the arguments you can get into if you come out of a toilet suitable for use by the disabled, and there's a disabled person had to wait two minutes.
If you read what I have posted you will see that what I have said is that the Inclusion London report is factual because it has used a wide variety of actual articles from the media. What bit is not factual? Are you accusing them of lying? Have you read the report in full?
Quoting a Dutchman for falsifying figures in a report on a totally different subject clearly is inaccurate and irrelevant to this particular issue. That is basic common sense, not bias. The bias is coming from someone who refuses to acknowledge the actual evidence and offers nothing credible in return.
While the abuse and hostility is perpetrated by a minority, as I have already said, it is not just a "few morons"...it is a significant minority, one which has been growing due to the gross misrepresentation of people with disabilities in the media, as I have again already posted.
I am sure that most people will give up a spot meant for a wheelchair user, as they should, but again a minority do not do so. Also, there is a growing number of amateur doctors who question anybody with a hidden disability. Maybe you should read the accounts at the bottom of the Observer article and some of the disability forums as your view is somewhat naive.
I don't think it's about them being scapegoated as scroungers, some people are just bullying c*nts to those who are weaker than them.
This.
You always get people who love to kick others when they're already down, or who just enjoy seeing other people suffering because it makes them feel better about themselves.
You always get people who love to kick others when they're already down, or who just enjoy seeing other people suffering because it makes them feel better about themselves.
Yep, no different to the bullies at school. It just manifests itself in a different way as people get older.
Yep, no different to the bullies at school. It just manifests itself in a different way as people get older.
The worst is how people with "invisible" disabilities are treated. Especially anything relating to mental health. The ignorance, hostility and general attitude is still appalling even now.
If you read what I have posted you will see that what I have said is that the Inclusion London report is factual because it has used a wide variety of actual articles from the media. What bit is not factual? Are you accusing them of lying? Have you read the report in full?
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Are they an unbiased organisation? Or just another body after taxpayers' money? I suspect they may be being selective in what they quote.
Are they an unbiased organisation? Or just another body after taxpayers' money? I suspect they may be being selective in what they quote.
So you clearly have not even bothered to read the report and yet you accuse the authors of being biased and selective in what they quote!
And of course Inclusion London ordered the people who actually did the report (Strathclyde Centre for Disability Research and Glasgow Media Group), to be as biased and selective as possible, and of course they agreed? A truly laughable and highly ignorant assertion. I notice no such condemnation of all the instances of proven lies from the gutter press that I mentioned in post 57...I wonder why!! No bias there of course!!
Such prejudice merely adds more confirmation that the authors of the report are correct. You feel free to have your unfounded suspicions but I will continue to take the time to research the issue and back up what I say with credible evidence and hard facts. The only bias that has been shown here is by a few trolls who are slagging off something that they are too lazy to even read, let alone highlighting which bits are supposedly inaccurate. It is very sad to see such prejudice, but that is the reality being faced by more and more people with disabilities...as well as other "easy targets" for the bullyboys.
The ironic thing about many people/organisations that pretend to speak up for disabled is they actually use prejudice to make their point.
For a start you can't just lump all disabled people in together as if they are one big group, there are 1000s of disabilities and all of them are different, with different needs and different effects on the person who has it.
The trouble with articles like these is they are in danger of over simplifying disability. I mean just look at the picture they've used a boy in a wheel chair stuck in a darkened room.
I am involved in a few disability groups, including the a disabilities staff association. We regularly get requests for someone with a disability for a photo. Of course they only want visible disabilities. One person actually asked for someone in a wheelchair. We were debating getting one of us with hidden disabilities to borrow a wheelchair and land up at the event wheeling themselves and then at the time to take the picture stand up and go "so where do you want me"
havent time to read this article...but assume it has something to do with the high profile case where a mother killed hersef and disabled daughter due to neighbourhood abuse.....
i find peoples attitudes to disability facinating. this labeling and making assumptions all the time just makes me laugh.....
im disabled. i hate every minute of my life. i have had a horrible life. and i wish i was dead every single minute of every single day. and a % of this depression is because im sick of the way people treated me in the past/ and are treating me now and you know what all the counselling in the world and anti depressants (which i am not on and will never be on), wont make the tiniest bit of difference to my life it will just create an illusion of happiness. i fake it everyday. i smile at people everyday. nobody knows the hell i go through everyday. i act and pretend all the time. but i have either been patronised or ignored or bullied by people my whole life and the assumptions people make about me every day facinates me. and i imagine every disabled person would say the same thing if they were being honest....and its irrelevant the level of disability you have everyone is labled the same. i have spend almost all of my life pretending i wasnt 'deformed' (i prefer this word than disabled), and it got me nowhere, i was/am just fooling myself.
Not every disabled person would say the same. We all have different experiences. I have had a lot of shite times and more down to the lack of accomodation for my conditions and the expectation and pressure to be "normal". I have also had great times where my environment has been conducive and my disabilities irrelevant. For me I don't really care how I am labelled (and care less and less as time goes on). It is when I am denyed opportunities etc that I mind.
I agree about the counselling in that seems to be about helping us to deal better with shite treatment as opposed to tackling the shite treatment.
Like anyone if our world and society is not fashioned to accomodate our needs we do not prosper. That is true for disabled and not yet disabled. It is just that that is more othen the reality if you have a disabiltiy.
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And frankly all you are doing is blindly defending a politically motivated study that bases all its evidence on blindly counting words in articles. Sorry that methodology is bunk, and any conclusions that follow are simply questionable.
"Facts" and figures in that report are about as "factual" as bible code. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bible_code Your bias is blinding you to just how extreme a jump it is to make far reaching conclusions on such junk data.
Oh dear, it gets worse! I use actual factual figures taken from a very large study of media articles, the accounts of many hundreds of people from the Observer comments page and from disability forums and I am accused of bias! You use no evidence whatsoever and are of course totally impartial! Hilarious! Hostility and abuse towards people with disabilities clearly exists...that is beyond any doubt.
The evidence is clear that such hostility is increasing, and that the main source is the inaccurate stories in the media. You only have to look at stories like the 2 Daily Mail articles on Motability which were proven to be full of lies, lies which were repeated in the broadsheets, like the Telegraph. Then there was the Express story about 4 million families who were supposedly benefit scrounging, which was again proven to be a pack of lies. Then you have the numerous stories misrepresenting the "fit for work" figures. Then you have the numerous lies, repeated only yesterday in the Telegraph, about benefit fraud figures. Then you have the regular benefit fraud cases reported in the likes of the Mail, which give a totally false picture as even though there are tens of thousands more people on the wrong end of DLA/IB/ESA decisions who win their appeal, they have never reported on even one such case.
Now all that is bias, and that is the main, totally unacceptable, cause of the increase in hostility. That is why various submissions are being made to the Leveson enquiry by disability groups and why even the NUJ has warned their members to report accurately on disability articles. It is also why the Work and Pensions Committee condemned the inaccurate stories and pejorative language used in the media.
The huge amount of evidence clearly backs up what I have said. The fact that you have still offered no evidence whatsoever and the fact that you have still refused to acknowledge this overwhelming evidence and also have not condemned such hostility toward people with disabilities says it all. You have obviously not read the Inclusion London report and you have offered nothing to even try to prove that what was said in that thorough and factual report was incorrect. You have also clearly not read all the comments after the Observer article and have also clearly not read the posts on the various disability forums, or are you calling them all liars?
Feel free to live in denial, but that is the stance that helps to make the problem far worse. Don't worry though as there are many decent people who find hostility and abuse directed at people due to their disability to be totally unaceptable. They have acknowledged the facts and are working hard to highlight the causes, and to ensure suitable punishment for the cowardly bullies who carry out this vile abuse. Your stance of total denial is completely irrelevant as it totally contradicts the reality for many thousands of people.
I see ... any media articles which suit the FM's case are factual, any which don't support it are inaccurate.
Personally, I find it hard to believe that anyone, other than a few morons, is offensive, in any way, to people with disbilities.
London isn't exactly noted for being stranger-friendly, yet whenever I've seen a disabled person get on a bus, everyone's gone out of their way to be accomodating. I've even seen women with children in buggies get off without argument, when the driver tells them the disabled person has priority.
Not what you'd call a scientific sample, but this is an area of London where I've only been in the houses of a couple of neighbours, despite living in mine for 34 years.
Of course, I'm omitting the arguments you can get into if you come out of a toilet suitable for use by the disabled, and there's a disabled person had to wait two minutes.
If you read what I have posted you will see that what I have said is that the Inclusion London report is factual because it has used a wide variety of actual articles from the media. What bit is not factual? Are you accusing them of lying? Have you read the report in full?
Quoting a Dutchman for falsifying figures in a report on a totally different subject clearly is inaccurate and irrelevant to this particular issue. That is basic common sense, not bias. The bias is coming from someone who refuses to acknowledge the actual evidence and offers nothing credible in return.
While the abuse and hostility is perpetrated by a minority, as I have already said, it is not just a "few morons"...it is a significant minority, one which has been growing due to the gross misrepresentation of people with disabilities in the media, as I have again already posted.
I am sure that most people will give up a spot meant for a wheelchair user, as they should, but again a minority do not do so. Also, there is a growing number of amateur doctors who question anybody with a hidden disability. Maybe you should read the accounts at the bottom of the Observer article and some of the disability forums as your view is somewhat naive.
This.
You always get people who love to kick others when they're already down, or who just enjoy seeing other people suffering because it makes them feel better about themselves.
Yep, no different to the bullies at school. It just manifests itself in a different way as people get older.
The worst is how people with "invisible" disabilities are treated. Especially anything relating to mental health. The ignorance, hostility and general attitude is still appalling even now.
Are they an unbiased organisation? Or just another body after taxpayers' money? I suspect they may be being selective in what they quote.
So you clearly have not even bothered to read the report and yet you accuse the authors of being biased and selective in what they quote!
And of course Inclusion London ordered the people who actually did the report (Strathclyde Centre for Disability Research and Glasgow Media Group), to be as biased and selective as possible, and of course they agreed? A truly laughable and highly ignorant assertion. I notice no such condemnation of all the instances of proven lies from the gutter press that I mentioned in post 57...I wonder why!! No bias there of course!!
Such prejudice merely adds more confirmation that the authors of the report are correct. You feel free to have your unfounded suspicions but I will continue to take the time to research the issue and back up what I say with credible evidence and hard facts. The only bias that has been shown here is by a few trolls who are slagging off something that they are too lazy to even read, let alone highlighting which bits are supposedly inaccurate. It is very sad to see such prejudice, but that is the reality being faced by more and more people with disabilities...as well as other "easy targets" for the bullyboys.
I am involved in a few disability groups, including the a disabilities staff association. We regularly get requests for someone with a disability for a photo. Of course they only want visible disabilities. One person actually asked for someone in a wheelchair. We were debating getting one of us with hidden disabilities to borrow a wheelchair and land up at the event wheeling themselves and then at the time to take the picture stand up and go "so where do you want me"
Not every disabled person would say the same. We all have different experiences. I have had a lot of shite times and more down to the lack of accomodation for my conditions and the expectation and pressure to be "normal". I have also had great times where my environment has been conducive and my disabilities irrelevant. For me I don't really care how I am labelled (and care less and less as time goes on). It is when I am denyed opportunities etc that I mind.
I agree about the counselling in that seems to be about helping us to deal better with shite treatment as opposed to tackling the shite treatment.
Like anyone if our world and society is not fashioned to accomodate our needs we do not prosper. That is true for disabled and not yet disabled. It is just that that is more othen the reality if you have a disabiltiy.
I hope that things look up for you