These apologists just don't get it, or just rather can't or will not acknowledge it.
Groups of men from one ethnic group seek out and target vulnerable girls from another ethnic group.
I don't think are any "apologists" for what these men have done, or if there are I haven't seen any, I have seen many here who hold the same opinion/s as myself, and I have repeated them several times already, but there seems to be a very small but very vocal element, who have some sort of 'word blindness' a sort of filter or block on grasping what anyone who isn't joining them in their 'cyber lynch mob'
But, once again for those who will not hear/see what they don't wish to, I (as a 'leftie') wholeheartedly and without any reservations or hesitations condemn all of those who actually took part in the abuse of these girls, and unlike some I couldn't care less what their nationality is, or their religion, or the colour of their skin, or even what cars they drive, or anything else about them, I, as the law should have, see only people accused of a very serious crime, we can NEVER allow such things as racial or religious 'sensitivities' have any influence whatsoever when it come to investigating and prosecuting people for a crime,
I have seen interviews with people from 'the Muslim community' who are absolutely furious about these crimes, but they are also furious that the police and politicians have by being afraid of upsetting Muslims, have actually made a bad situation even worse, and now because of this it gives the racists amongst us free rein to spout their hatred.
and NO I repeat NO I am NOT FOR ONE SECOND saying that everyone who is angry and has expressed that anger is a racist, because I am bloody angry too,
But it can't be denied that there are a few people using this to score cheap political points,
I repeat every single person involved in these vile crimes should be brought before the courts and if found guilty they should be given the longest sentence that the law allows for these offences, and I say that without reservation. also those in authority in particular but anyone at all who knew about it and did nothing to either report it or investigate it should be dragged before the courts too, as THEY share the blame because if it was not for their inaction, than many of those girls would not have suffered the trauma that they have, so those who knew and did nowt are also to blame.
But what I point blank will NOT do, is blame an entire religion of over a billion people, or an entire nation for the behaviour of a bunch of degenerate criminal bastards, and calling me names and telling me I hate this country or accusing me of being an "apologist" for what these animals have done, will NOT change that, it wont change anything because I am proud to call myself British, and proud to defend everything that Britain is famous for and the principles and morality it has brought to many parts of the world, Democracy, the right to a fair trial, innocent until proven guilty in a court of law, tolerance of others, the freedom to worship who ever you like, the freedom to live your life how you wish and not how someone else thinks you should,
some here may think we can just rip those BRITISH values up, and become like the very thing they 'claim' to hate, but I won't give them up lightly and certainly not to the people who hold similar values to those held by the people my grandfather and many other peoples grandparents sacrificed so much to defend us from.
and yes I know, "a rant" "can't be bothered to read it" "I have you on ignore" etc etc, and quite possibly a few personal insults incoming.
"Pakistan's Hidden Shame", C4 documentary last night. They're basically doing with young girls here what they do with young boys back in the home country. And the Labour councilors were more than happy to turn a blind eye.
I don't think are any "apologists" for what these men have done, or if there are I haven't seen any, I have seen many here who hold the same opinion/s as myself, and I have repeated them several times already, but there seems to be a very small but very vocal element, who have some sort of 'word blindness' a sort of filter or block on grasping what anyone who isn't joining them in their 'cyber lynch mob'
But, once again for those who will not hear/see what they don't wish to, I (as a 'leftie') wholeheartedly and without any reservations or hesitations condemn all of those who actually took part in the abuse of these girls, and unlike some I couldn't care less what their nationality is, or their religion, or the colour of their skin, or even what cars they drive, or anything else about them, I, as the law should have, see only people accused of a very serious crime, we can NEVER allow such things as racial or religious 'sensitivities' have any influence whatsoever when it come to investigating and prosecuting people for a crime,
I have seen interviews with people from 'the Muslim community' who are absolutely furious about these crimes, but they are also furious that the police and politicians have by being afraid of upsetting Muslims, have actually made a bad situation even worse, and now because of this it gives the racists amongst us free rein to spout their hatred.
and NO I repeat NO I am NOT FOR ONE SECOND saying that everyone who is angry and has expressed that anger is a racist, because I am bloody angry too,
But it can't be denied that there are a few people using this to score cheap political points,
I repeat every single person involved in these vile crimes should be brought before the courts and if found guilty they should be given the longest sentence that the law allows for these offences, and I say that without reservation. also those in authority in particular but anyone at all who knew about it and did nothing to either report it or investigate it should be dragged before the courts too, as THEY share the blame because if it was not for their inaction, than many of those girls would not have suffered the trauma that they have, so those who knew and did nowt are also to blame.
But what I point blank will NOT do, is blame an entire religion of over a billion people, or an entire nation for the behaviour of a bunch of degenerate criminal bastards, and calling me names and telling me I hate this country or accusing me of being an "apologist" for what these animals have done, will NOT change that, it wont change anything because I am proud to call myself British, and proud to defend everything that Britain is famous for and the principles and morality it has brought to many parts of the world, Democracy, the right to a fair trial, innocent until proven guilty in a court of law, tolerance of others, the freedom to worship who ever you like, the freedom to live your life how you wish and not how someone else thinks you should,
some here may think we can just rip those BRITISH values up, and become like the very thing they 'claim' to hate, but I won't give them up lightly and certainly not to the people who hold similar values to those held by the people my grandfather and many other peoples grandparents sacrificed so much to defend us from.
and yes I know, "a rant" "can't be bothered to read it" "I have you on ignore" etc etc, and quite possibly a few personal insults incoming.
says more about them than me.
Once again no one is blaming an entire religion and no one is blaming an entire nation however there appears to be a specific problem within that religious community and there appears to be a specific problem within a nation. That is a problem that needs researching and addressing. That is what has been asked for for many years now yet still we get the likes of Styker who does not say it may not be they just say it is not. The truth is we do not know but the evidence on the ground is very strong that there may be. Let's find out and deal with it that may be uncomfortable for either of the groups but it is clear carrying on as we have done is not an option.
Once again no one is blaming an entire religion and no one is blaming an entire nation however there appears to be a specific problem within that religious community and there appears to be a specific problem within a nation. That is a problem that needs researching and addressing. That is what has been asked for for many years now yet still we get the likes of Styker who does not say it may not be they just say it is not. The truth is we do not know but the evidence on the ground is very strong that there may be. Let's find out and deal with it that may be uncomfortable for either of the groups but it is clear carrying on as we have done is not an option.
This isn't the only case of an organized Pakistani Muslim rape gang abusing children though , there have also been convictions in Derby Rochdale Oxford and Telford , its not an isolated incident and who know where else the authorities have turned a blind eye
These apologists just don't get it, or just rather can't or will not acknowledge it.
Groups of men from one ethnic group seek out and target vulnerable girls from another ethnic group.
I can't see any apologists on this thread.
Take me for example:
I have condemned dozens (maybe it is hundreds?) of Asian men doing exactly what you have just described.
And, in post #864, I have condemned hundreds of thousands of British Men for doing exactly what you have just described.
He quite rightly attacks the management culture of the Childrens' Services department but you can't ignore his remarks about the local community either
" Some are poor men from rural Kashmiri communities, or second- or third-generation Kashmiris or Pakistanis who have developed or inherited an openly violent misogyny. I visited one abuser in prison – he’d attacked a female prostitute with a hammer and was clearly mentally ill. I asked the family about his wife, who’d come over from Kashmir two years before and spoke no English, only to be told that she knew he was in prison but wasn’t aware of the crimes he’d committed.
I’ve also had family members come to my surgery asking me to make representations on behalf of brothers who have been found guilty of child sex abuse. When I refuse, I frequently receive a tirade of abuse. “These girls are prostitutes,” one man shouted at me, and warned that I would pay a heavy price for not supporting him. He’d get thousands of people not to vote for me".
The fact that this is being discussed in mainstream media outlets shows how much these revelations have changed the public mindset. How anyone can say there is not a serious problem in these "pakistani heritage communities" defies belief. The mosques and islamic schools also have some explaining to do....
This isn't the only case of an organized Pakistani Muslim rape gang abusing children though , there have also been convictions in Derby Rochdale Oxford and Telford , its not an isolated incident and who know where else the authorities have turned a blind eye
Don't know about the other gangs, but the one in Oxford of those prosecuted, five were Pakistani ethnic origin, two were Eritrea ethnic origin, all were Muslim. Systematic failure by social services was also blamed in that case. Sexual expolitation and abuse of underage girls in Oxford has not however been restricted to muslims preying on vulnerable UK girls. A previous case before that one involved under age girls trafficked from eastern europe for sexual exploitation as prostitutes, escorts, with the underage girls held in a state of fear and coerced by the threat and use of violence.
A councillor warns about problems in child protection. Then a week later all 23 labour councillors resign. Maybe it's connected maybe not. Maybe they jumped before they were pushed maybe they didn't. One to keep an eye on
I have condemned dozens (maybe it is hundreds?) of Asian men doing exactly what you have just described.
And, in post #864, I have condemned hundreds of thousands of British Men for doing exactly what you have just described.
Maybe you will do the same?
With respect, the numbers run into the tens of 1000s over Britain, when 1400 were abused in one town, Rotherham. There does seem to be a specific significant problem in the Muslim community of men grooming young, underage overwhelmingly white girls to be child prostitutes, the numbers are much higher in the Muslim community of this behaviour as a % than in the white Cultural Christian community that carry out these acts.
I have condemned dozens (maybe it is hundreds?) of Asian men doing exactly what you have just described.
And, in post #864, I have condemned hundreds of thousands of British Men for doing exactly what you have just described.
Maybe you will do the same?
Now that is interesting, the Asian men are mostly 'British'. The British men you seem to refer to generally are abusing those from their same ethnic group, the Asian men generally are not. So that is one specific difference. That difference raises the question is it a race crime? They also seem to be abusing those who are non-Muslim so is it a religious crime. Why are so many fearful of asking these questions and seeking answers to them. If the answers are no it is not a race crime and no it is not a religious crime then so be it, but the questions have not been researched and only now have they been allowed to be asked without the condemnation of a host of commentators.
This isn't the only case of an organized Pakistani Muslim rape gang abusing children though , there have also been convictions in Derby Rochdale Oxford and Telford , its not an isolated incident and who know where else the authorities have turned a blind eye
Of course it is not the only incidence which makes the necessity to find out definitively why critical.
Now that is interesting, the Asian men are mostly 'British'. The British men you seem to refer to generally are abusing those from their same ethnic group, the Asian men generally are not. So that is one specific difference. That difference raises the question is it a race crime? They also seem to be abusing those who are non-Muslim so is it a religious crime. Why are so many fearful of asking these questions and seeking answers to them. If the answers are no it is not a race crime and no it is not a religious crime then so be it, but the questions have not been researched and only now have they been allowed to be asked without the condemnation of a host of commentators.
Those who could do what you're asking would be scared of investigating aspects of race, religion and culture and even more scared of publishing the results. I think you could put it under the heading of "being pc".
Those who could do what you're asking would be scared of investigating aspects of race, religion and culture and even more scared of publishing the results. I think you could put it under the heading of "being pc".
Is that not where we started and because of that we are now in a new 'no stone unturned' era? That seems to be the tenor of the BBC, the police and the social services. Of course it remains to be seen but apparently nothing is now standing in the way of a proper investigation into who, how and why?
"Pakistan's Hidden Shame", C4 documentary last night. They're basically doing with young girls here what they do with young boys back in the home country. ...
This documentary illustrated an endemic culture of rape among taxi and lorry drivers.
Oh surprise ... Pakistani taxi drivers were the core of the rapist gangs in Rotheram (and a dozen other towns).
Do something!
The government and councils are actively stopping police from doing something : those scum in office must be locked up so we can get back to a more decent society and not let evil run rampant.
Muslims were abused also. It seems more a case of "availability" rather than than religion or race.
As far as we know to a much lesser extent, I've only seen two or three cases of abuse reported vs 1400 in Rotherham. It seems pretty undeniable that there is a specific problem of white underage girls being groomed & trafficked as child prostitutes around Britain amongst Muslim men. And the exact same thing is happening on the continent amongst Turkish & North African men.
Muslims were abused also. It seems more a case of "availability" rather than than religion or race.
THEY WERE ABUSED AS INDIVIDUALS BY INDIVIDUALS. There was no gang element and certainly not the kind of treatment the non-muslims received, ie trafficked around, use of alcohol and drugs, threats of and actual violence.>:(
I don't see it as an "Asian" problem. I haven't heard about any Indians or indeed any Sikhs or Hindus involved.
No this is specifically a Pakistani Muslim problem....
and most of the terror plots, Jihadists also involve Pakistani Muslims.
They are a complete pain in the backside.
Rather than blame Pakistani Muslims the new just referred to it as an "Asian paedophile gang". The problem is that Asian Sikhs and Hindus could suffer because of it even though there wasn't Sikhs or Hindus involved.
Muslims were abused also. It seems more a case of "availability" rather than than religion or race.
As mentioned a tiny percentage of the 1400. For some reason you seem unable to accept or acknowledge that groups of British Men of Pakistani origin have deliberately targeted white girls because they are seem as lesser people, unworthy of the respect afforded to women/girls from their own community.
As mentioned a tiny percentage of the 1400. For some reason you seem unable to accept or acknowledge that groups of British Men of Pakistani origin have deliberately targeted white girls because they are seem as lesser people, unworthy of the respect afforded to women/girls from their own community.
Or white girls were more available than Asian girls. I've seen nothing that convinces me girls were targeted.
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I don't think are any "apologists" for what these men have done, or if there are I haven't seen any, I have seen many here who hold the same opinion/s as myself, and I have repeated them several times already, but there seems to be a very small but very vocal element, who have some sort of 'word blindness' a sort of filter or block on grasping what anyone who isn't joining them in their 'cyber lynch mob'
But, once again for those who will not hear/see what they don't wish to, I (as a 'leftie') wholeheartedly and without any reservations or hesitations condemn all of those who actually took part in the abuse of these girls, and unlike some I couldn't care less what their nationality is, or their religion, or the colour of their skin, or even what cars they drive, or anything else about them, I, as the law should have, see only people accused of a very serious crime, we can NEVER allow such things as racial or religious 'sensitivities' have any influence whatsoever when it come to investigating and prosecuting people for a crime,
I have seen interviews with people from 'the Muslim community' who are absolutely furious about these crimes, but they are also furious that the police and politicians have by being afraid of upsetting Muslims, have actually made a bad situation even worse, and now because of this it gives the racists amongst us free rein to spout their hatred.
and NO I repeat NO I am NOT FOR ONE SECOND saying that everyone who is angry and has expressed that anger is a racist, because I am bloody angry too,
But it can't be denied that there are a few people using this to score cheap political points,
I repeat every single person involved in these vile crimes should be brought before the courts and if found guilty they should be given the longest sentence that the law allows for these offences, and I say that without reservation. also those in authority in particular but anyone at all who knew about it and did nothing to either report it or investigate it should be dragged before the courts too, as THEY share the blame because if it was not for their inaction, than many of those girls would not have suffered the trauma that they have, so those who knew and did nowt are also to blame.
But what I point blank will NOT do, is blame an entire religion of over a billion people, or an entire nation for the behaviour of a bunch of degenerate criminal bastards, and calling me names and telling me I hate this country or accusing me of being an "apologist" for what these animals have done, will NOT change that, it wont change anything because I am proud to call myself British, and proud to defend everything that Britain is famous for and the principles and morality it has brought to many parts of the world, Democracy, the right to a fair trial, innocent until proven guilty in a court of law, tolerance of others, the freedom to worship who ever you like, the freedom to live your life how you wish and not how someone else thinks you should,
some here may think we can just rip those BRITISH values up, and become like the very thing they 'claim' to hate, but I won't give them up lightly and certainly not to the people who hold similar values to those held by the people my grandfather and many other peoples grandparents sacrificed so much to defend us from.
and yes I know, "a rant" "can't be bothered to read it" "I have you on ignore" etc etc, and quite possibly a few personal insults incoming.
says more about them than me.
They are broken, best just to let them post long rants and burn themselves out with self embellishment.
No one is broken, just amazed that some people don't get it.
Once again no one is blaming an entire religion and no one is blaming an entire nation however there appears to be a specific problem within that religious community and there appears to be a specific problem within a nation. That is a problem that needs researching and addressing. That is what has been asked for for many years now yet still we get the likes of Styker who does not say it may not be they just say it is not. The truth is we do not know but the evidence on the ground is very strong that there may be. Let's find out and deal with it that may be uncomfortable for either of the groups but it is clear carrying on as we have done is not an option.
This isn't the only case of an organized Pakistani Muslim rape gang abusing children though , there have also been convictions in Derby Rochdale Oxford and Telford , its not an isolated incident and who know where else the authorities have turned a blind eye
I can't see any apologists on this thread.
Take me for example:
I have condemned dozens (maybe it is hundreds?) of Asian men doing exactly what you have just described.
And, in post #864, I have condemned hundreds of thousands of British Men for doing exactly what you have just described.
Maybe you will do the same?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/11066244/Rotherham-is-not-an-isolated-incident.html
He quite rightly attacks the management culture of the Childrens' Services department but you can't ignore his remarks about the local community either
" Some are poor men from rural Kashmiri communities, or second- or third-generation Kashmiris or Pakistanis who have developed or inherited an openly violent misogyny. I visited one abuser in prison – he’d attacked a female prostitute with a hammer and was clearly mentally ill. I asked the family about his wife, who’d come over from Kashmir two years before and spoke no English, only to be told that she knew he was in prison but wasn’t aware of the crimes he’d committed.
I’ve also had family members come to my surgery asking me to make representations on behalf of brothers who have been found guilty of child sex abuse. When I refuse, I frequently receive a tirade of abuse. “These girls are prostitutes,” one man shouted at me, and warned that I would pay a heavy price for not supporting him. He’d get thousands of people not to vote for me".
The fact that this is being discussed in mainstream media outlets shows how much these revelations have changed the public mindset. How anyone can say there is not a serious problem in these "pakistani heritage communities" defies belief. The mosques and islamic schools also have some explaining to do....
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-south-east-wales-29043248
A councillor warns about problems in child protection. Then a week later all 23 labour councillors resign. Maybe it's connected maybe not. Maybe they jumped before they were pushed maybe they didn't. One to keep an eye on
“The world will not be destroyed by those who do evil, but by those who watch them and do nothing”
- Albert Einstein
Now that is interesting, the Asian men are mostly 'British'. The British men you seem to refer to generally are abusing those from their same ethnic group, the Asian men generally are not. So that is one specific difference. That difference raises the question is it a race crime? They also seem to be abusing those who are non-Muslim so is it a religious crime. Why are so many fearful of asking these questions and seeking answers to them. If the answers are no it is not a race crime and no it is not a religious crime then so be it, but the questions have not been researched and only now have they been allowed to be asked without the condemnation of a host of commentators.
Of course it is not the only incidence which makes the necessity to find out definitively why critical.
That may be the case, so what is the problem with finding out.?
Those who could do what you're asking would be scared of investigating aspects of race, religion and culture and even more scared of publishing the results. I think you could put it under the heading of "being pc".
Is that not where we started and because of that we are now in a new 'no stone unturned' era? That seems to be the tenor of the BBC, the police and the social services. Of course it remains to be seen but apparently nothing is now standing in the way of a proper investigation into who, how and why?
Oh surprise ... Pakistani taxi drivers were the core of the rapist gangs in Rotheram (and a dozen other towns).
Do something!
The government and councils are actively stopping police from doing something : those scum in office must be locked up so we can get back to a more decent society and not let evil run rampant.
No this is specifically a Pakistani Muslim problem....
and most of the terror plots, Jihadists also involve Pakistani Muslims.
They are a complete pain in the backside.
Rather than blame Pakistani Muslims the new just referred to it as an "Asian paedophile gang". The problem is that Asian Sikhs and Hindus could suffer because of it even though there wasn't Sikhs or Hindus involved.
As mentioned a tiny percentage of the 1400. For some reason you seem unable to accept or acknowledge that groups of British Men of Pakistani origin have deliberately targeted white girls because they are seem as lesser people, unworthy of the respect afforded to women/girls from their own community.
Or white girls were more available than Asian girls. I've seen nothing that convinces me girls were targeted.