Britain obviously did export it's culture around the world with empire. Invader or immigrant makes no difference.
No the difference is the advances.
Who on earth would put up with cultures invading that are more backward and less technologically advanced?
They'd probably lose for a start off.
Immigration asks for no such advancement, almost the opposite. In every country where large scale economic immigration is coming from, the more progressive, the better educated, the more able to contribute to society are staying put.
Because just like here, and in any society, those who have "made it" are doing well in comparison to emigrating.
I know people involved in bringing FGM to light in the UK and every single one of them is a lefty. All feminists.
As for the stuff about `black boys` that is simply delusional.
What has the left done about stopping it, that is the important question. It is some decades since awareness has been there of this happening in cultural enclaves in the UK. We have had New Labour in power for a heck of long time and in terms of being effective, they weren't.
Multiculturalism brings the cultures of other countries into our own.
Have you ever travelled abroad? To see other countries and to admire their architecture, engineering, art, food, entertainments, artisanship etc?
And when people from those countries settle here they bring with them some of those things and add to our cultural diversity. An event like the Notting Hill carnival has been sadly marred by a few unpleasant incidents over the years but most of the time it brings a lively mix of Caribbean culture with it, from food to clothing and costumes to music etc. and importantly it allows a cross-pollination of cultures which, during the punk era for example, created some of Britain's most innovative music of the time. You might not like the Clash or Public Image Ltd or Gang of Four or have even heard of them but thousands have.
So stop moaning about a group of Pakistani rapists and open your eyes.
I have travelled abroad extensively and experienced/admired all the things you describe above. What I have not done however, is emigrate to any of the countries I have visited and tried to change their culture to my own, thus rendering the point of visiting and experiencing other cultures senseless.
I have travelled abroad extensively and experienced/admired all the things you describe above. What I have not done however, is emigrate to any of the countries I have visited and tried to change their culture to my own, thus rendering the point of visiting and experiencing other cultures senseless.
Do the British people get told to respect other countries cultures when we go to them.
So why do we not ask the same of them?
Do the British people get told to respect other countries cultures when we go to them.
So why do we not ask the same of them?
Yeah the Brits that go to Magaluf are models of decency and good manners Don't you feel SO proud when you see these examples of modern Britain on the TV and in the press?
Yeah the Brits that go to Magaluf are models of decency and good manners Don't you feel SO proud when you see these examples of modern Britain on the TV and in the press?
1-2 weeks holidaying in country isn't going to change the social fabric of that country.
1-2 weeks holidaying in country isn't going to change the social fabric of that country.
But it is not just one or two weeks is it? Drunken Brits are there for most of the year and the point is that other people see this and who would blame them for keeping well away from the hordes of tattooed meatheads and slutty girls who give Britain such a poor reputation
We here of alot of people saying how good multiculturalism is for Britain. I personally think the government just wanted more people to increase our workforce but then spin us lies of how cuddly multiculturalism is. I see a Britain that has pockets of different cultures changing areas of Britain to one more similar to the original country.
So my question is other than take away shops what have multiple different communities brought to Britain that makes us better vs worse !
What original country?
Pre-historic tribes? All countries go through changes in culture.
Romans building a road network?
Jews helping fund the expansion of England's territory in the 12th Century?
Huguenots bringing silk weaving skills to England in the 18th Century?
I have travelled abroad extensively and experienced/admired all the things you describe above. What I have not done however, is emigrate to any of the countries I have visited and tried to change their culture to my own, thus rendering the point of visiting and experiencing other cultures senseless.
Well no but that's not multiculturalism is it? It works both ways. We have no right to insist that all immigrants conform exactly to our way of life (outside of respecting laws etc. etc.) and other cultures should not come here and impose their culture on an unwilling population, otherwise in both circumstances all you end up with is a monoculture.
The way multiculturalism works in principle is when other cultures come here and we voluntarily adopt their culture or cross-pollinate with it, as we have done with, say, cuisine or we allow them to retain their cultural values free of interference (as long as they remain lawful).
This continual argument about being "taken over" is not about multiculturalism. I wouldn't want to live under Sharia law any more than anyone else and I have already stated on here several times that I am in full agreement that violation of UK laws is completely unacceptable, regardless of the ethnic origin of the perpetrators.
The "failure" of multiculturalism as people see it is that we have failed to address a number of unlawful activities by some cultures (and I think we needn't be cagey in spelling out that this is largely Islamic culture) but these are not people who are interested in a multicultural Britain. They want an Islamic Britain.
As I said earlier we should stop tip-toeing around the issues and tackle them firmly
Yeah the Brits that go to Magaluf are models of decency and good manners Don't you feel SO proud when you see these examples of modern Britain on the TV and in the press?
My point is that this thread is littered with examples of poor behaviour by other people from a different culture and that they make no effort to involve themselves in British culture And who can blame them sometimes?
But it is not just one or two weeks is it? Drunken Brits are there for most of the year and the point is that other people see this and who would blame them for keeping well away from the hordes of tattooed meatheads and slutty girls who give Britain such a poor reputation
Perhaps they're the reason so many people travel across the whole of Europe to seek asylum here.
My point is that this thread is littered with examples of poor behaviour by other people from a different culture and that they make no effort to involve themselves in British culture And who can blame them sometimes?
And, as has already been pointed out, the idiots who cause mayhem in holiday resorts are there for two weeks only. They have not emigrated and made no attempt to integrate. I have no idea why you think this is relevant.
And, as has already been pointed out, the idiots who cause mayhem in holiday resorts are there for two weeks only. They have not emigrated and made no attempt to integrate. I have no idea why you think this is relevant.
But their unsavoury actions don't stay overseas do they? The papers and TV were full of it a couple months ago and it just builds up an image here which is viewed by others
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I know people involved in bringing FGM to light in the UK and every single one of them is a lefty. All feminists.
As for the stuff about `black boys` that is simply delusional.
Britain obviously did export it's culture around the world with empire. Invader or immigrant makes no difference.
No the difference is the advances.
Who on earth would put up with cultures invading that are more backward and less technologically advanced?
They'd probably lose for a start off.
Immigration asks for no such advancement, almost the opposite. In every country where large scale economic immigration is coming from, the more progressive, the better educated, the more able to contribute to society are staying put.
Because just like here, and in any society, those who have "made it" are doing well in comparison to emigrating.
And you are going on ignore.
It's been a long time since I've seen a poster on these boards as objectionable as you but some of the things you have said are despicable.
Enjoy your time here luckily I won't have a clue what you say from now on.
What has the left done about stopping it, that is the important question. It is some decades since awareness has been there of this happening in cultural enclaves in the UK. We have had New Labour in power for a heck of long time and in terms of being effective, they weren't.
I have travelled abroad extensively and experienced/admired all the things you describe above. What I have not done however, is emigrate to any of the countries I have visited and tried to change their culture to my own, thus rendering the point of visiting and experiencing other cultures senseless.
Do the British people get told to respect other countries cultures when we go to them.
So why do we not ask the same of them?
Yeah the Brits that go to Magaluf are models of decency and good manners Don't you feel SO proud when you see these examples of modern Britain on the TV and in the press?
1-2 weeks holidaying in country isn't going to change the social fabric of that country.
But it is not just one or two weeks is it? Drunken Brits are there for most of the year and the point is that other people see this and who would blame them for keeping well away from the hordes of tattooed meatheads and slutty girls who give Britain such a poor reputation
What original country?
Pre-historic tribes? All countries go through changes in culture.
And more recently ..... ???
Well no but that's not multiculturalism is it? It works both ways. We have no right to insist that all immigrants conform exactly to our way of life (outside of respecting laws etc. etc.) and other cultures should not come here and impose their culture on an unwilling population, otherwise in both circumstances all you end up with is a monoculture.
The way multiculturalism works in principle is when other cultures come here and we voluntarily adopt their culture or cross-pollinate with it, as we have done with, say, cuisine or we allow them to retain their cultural values free of interference (as long as they remain lawful).
This continual argument about being "taken over" is not about multiculturalism. I wouldn't want to live under Sharia law any more than anyone else and I have already stated on here several times that I am in full agreement that violation of UK laws is completely unacceptable, regardless of the ethnic origin of the perpetrators.
The "failure" of multiculturalism as people see it is that we have failed to address a number of unlawful activities by some cultures (and I think we needn't be cagey in spelling out that this is largely Islamic culture) but these are not people who are interested in a multicultural Britain. They want an Islamic Britain.
As I said earlier we should stop tip-toeing around the issues and tackle them firmly
Obviously not. And your point is?
That would be the worst thing to happened to Britain or any western countries.
My point is that this thread is littered with examples of poor behaviour by other people from a different culture and that they make no effort to involve themselves in British culture And who can blame them sometimes?
Perhaps they're the reason so many people travel across the whole of Europe to seek asylum here.
You seem to be mixing up immigration with cultural differences which is what this thread is supposed to be about
And, as has already been pointed out, the idiots who cause mayhem in holiday resorts are there for two weeks only. They have not emigrated and made no attempt to integrate. I have no idea why you think this is relevant.
I wounded if ordinary muslims in Britain will now be attacked:(
I should imagine ( and hope) not. We are a civilised society, not barbarians.
But their unsavoury actions don't stay overseas do they? The papers and TV were full of it a couple months ago and it just builds up an image here which is viewed by others
remember after 9/11,7/7 and the killing of Lee Rigby attacks happened.
Immigrants generally leave their countries to escape poverty and sadness, not find it.