I think what they meant was, when they found she was missing, its considered that she 'discharged' herself, ie, she just left. Thats when they reported her missing to the police as it was unannounced, no proper discharge etc......
Yes this is interesting as i once went through a self discharge procedure at a Hospital. It's quite simple really and the Hospital just asked for my signature. 30 seconds later i was out.
That's true but according to the BBC report she had discharged herself yet the ward staff appear to have been unaware of that so she obviously hadn't communicated with them that she was leaving.
It's not really as easy as discharging yourself, they check you over, sign you off, arrange a time for the midwife to see you at home, the baby must have a car seat etc. I don't think she discharged herself and this was a misunderstanding.
This is a big hospital, the hospital on one born every minute (unless I'm mistaken) so I am sure they have a discharge policy in place.
Just a pity the Oncology ward there isn't and folk walk off with a post-op seriously ill child without informing the Hospital......much to the applause of a handful of people.
Getting fed up of hearing about people killing themselves and their children. Hope they burn in help.
Yes you are correct they need help.
Mental Heath issues are very real these poor people do not need condemnation,she come off her anti depressants so she could feed her child.
If she was high risk she should have had a better eye kept on her, the trust in my view should have involved an agency nurse at the very least to be with her one to one.
It happens from time to time in my trust,people needing one to one care.
Just a pity the Oncology ward there isn't and folk walk off with a post-op seriously ill child without informing the Hospital......much to the applause of a handful of people.
The parent's you're referring to had their child's best interests at heart and I'm sure it wasn't a decision that was taken lightly, but there's surely a thread about that case.
Seems to be a lot of judgemental comments bandied around nowadays when it comes to parenting, no surprise people crumble when the pressure mounts
It's not really as easy as discharging yourself, they check you over, sign you off, arrange a time for the midwife to see you at home, the baby must have a car seat etc. I don't think she discharged herself and this was a misunderstanding.
This is a big hospital, the hospital on one born every minute (unless I'm mistaken) so I am sure they have a discharge policy in place.
Yes i realise that. In my case it was just a broken arm and i went to another Hospital closer to home where they 'sorted it'.
Understandably Hospitals are fussy about new borns and their mums, though by comparison to the 70's when my son was born, it's virtually a conveyor belt job now....in one end, out the other! Back in the 70's it was one week!
I have four children and the last two times I have been in on post natal I have experienced new mums crying with frustration they cannot feed their baby themselves and that their baby is crying uncontrollably because they are hungry and because they can pick up on the tension from the mum... I have seen ward staff tut and roll their eyes at these new mums :( If a mum has mental health issues and things like this happen I would imagine this would spiral, I found it distressing that these 1st time mums were receiving very little support and would probably go home tired, exhausted and very emotional having not had a good experience on the ward.
This was my experience too. As soon as the Dads were kicked out our ward was basically filled with sobbing from various beds. Mine included.
The parent's you're referring to had their child's best interests at heart and I'm sure it wasn't a decision that was taken lightly, but there's surely a thread about that case.
Seems to be a lot of judgemental comments bandied around nowadays when it comes to parenting, no surprise people crumble when the pressure mounts
The point i was making was in reference to following procedural self discharge which i believe anyone with any sense would understand the reason for it.......unless of course you don't want the Hospital to know. And then the question would be 'why not'?
The point i was making was in reference to following procedural self discharge which i believe anyone with any sense would understand the reason for it.......unless of course you don't want the Hospital to know. And then the question would be 'why not'?
Even if you can't discharge yourself you can easily abscond
This was my experience too. As soon as the Dads were kicked out our ward was basically filled with sobbing from various beds. Mine included.
I'm so sorry to hear that
I had a lady in the bed next to me who sobbed continuously, her birth wasn't as she planned so she had ended up in emergency section, her baby wanted to be permanently latched on but she was struggling with this so tears from her and screams from the baby all day and all night, and all she got from the staff was "why are you crying for?" It played on my mind once I was discharged as I thought she would of been an absolute wreck once she was finally aloud home, and that was someone of sane mind
Getting fed up of hearing about people killing themselves and their children. Hope they burn in help.
Well poor you getting fed up hearing about people so desperate and distraught they think their only option is to end their life. How hard that must be on you. You clearly have no understanding of mental health issues at all so why bother commenting? I'm fed up of reading drivel like this from idiotic, uneducated buffoons who think it's right to judge and criticise something they have no comprehension of. Do you honestly think this poor girl wanted to feel the way she did, it was out of her control. No one wants to feel so low that permanently removing yourself from this earth is the only thing that will stop the feelings and torment.
Also, side note; I wonder if this story would make the people who criticised the notion of a "baby hatch" change their minds?
I think having baby hatches or something similar to America's Save Haven laws would be good, you have a certain amount of time after having a baby (I think 2-3 months) to leave the baby safely in a hospital, police station, fire station. As long the baby is unharmed the parents won't face any criminal charges and can remain nameless during court proceedings to make the baby a ward of the state.
All places that participate have a "Safe Haven" sign and a plastic cot just in side the doors. So any baby left is safe and warm until someone checks.
I think having baby hatches or something similar to America's Save Haven laws would be good, you have a certain amount of time after having a baby (I think 2-3 months) to leave the baby safely in a hospital, police station, fire station. As long the baby is unharmed the parents won't face any criminal charges and can remain nameless during court proceedings to make the baby a ward of the state.
All places that participate have a "Safe Haven" sign and a plastic cot just in side the doors. So any baby left is safe and warm until someone checks.
I think baby hatches are a good idea but that would not have saved this baby. I think this mum was severely depressed and wasnt thinking clearly, I dont think her behaviour was about not wanting the child, or worrying about caring for the child per se, she seems to have acted entirely illogically and was suicidal. It may have also been fairly impulsive too if she didnt seem to raise any concern half hour before when her partner was present, yet then just walks out, slippers and all, walks half a mile to a river gorge and throws herself off.
It is worrying regardless to the circumstances of the mum, that a newborn was able to just be taken out of the hospital, no alarms went off and their disappearance went unnoticed for 30 mins...
Would it be just as easy for example if mum went for a shower A visitor on the ward just up'd and left with a baby? Would they go unnoticed too?
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Southampton is aswell, or was 7 years ago when my eldest was transferred there.
Not sure if you're a troll but you need to understand how painful it is being in the throws of untreated post natal depression. >:(
It must be awful for you having to click on the thread and read such things
Makes logical sense due to duty of care etc.
It's not really as easy as discharging yourself, they check you over, sign you off, arrange a time for the midwife to see you at home, the baby must have a car seat etc. I don't think she discharged herself and this was a misunderstanding.
This is a big hospital, the hospital on one born every minute (unless I'm mistaken) so I am sure they have a discharge policy in place.
Yes you are correct they need help.
Mental Heath issues are very real these poor people do not need condemnation,she come off her anti depressants so she could feed her child.
If she was high risk she should have had a better eye kept on her, the trust in my view should have involved an agency nurse at the very least to be with her one to one.
It happens from time to time in my trust,people needing one to one care.
The parent's you're referring to had their child's best interests at heart and I'm sure it wasn't a decision that was taken lightly, but there's surely a thread about that case.
Seems to be a lot of judgemental comments bandied around nowadays when it comes to parenting, no surprise people crumble when the pressure mounts
Understandably Hospitals are fussy about new borns and their mums, though by comparison to the 70's when my son was born, it's virtually a conveyor belt job now....in one end, out the other! Back in the 70's it was one week!
This was my experience too. As soon as the Dads were kicked out our ward was basically filled with sobbing from various beds. Mine included.
My experience too. I understand that they're busy but that's no excuse for the attitude of "well you made the baby, now you deal with the baby"
Even if you can't discharge yourself you can easily abscond
Good excuse then
I'm so sorry to hear that
I had a lady in the bed next to me who sobbed continuously, her birth wasn't as she planned so she had ended up in emergency section, her baby wanted to be permanently latched on but she was struggling with this so tears from her and screams from the baby all day and all night, and all she got from the staff was "why are you crying for?" It played on my mind once I was discharged as I thought she would of been an absolute wreck once she was finally aloud home, and that was someone of sane mind
You must be trolling
Well poor you getting fed up hearing about people so desperate and distraught they think their only option is to end their life. How hard that must be on you. You clearly have no understanding of mental health issues at all so why bother commenting? I'm fed up of reading drivel like this from idiotic, uneducated buffoons who think it's right to judge and criticise something they have no comprehension of. Do you honestly think this poor girl wanted to feel the way she did, it was out of her control. No one wants to feel so low that permanently removing yourself from this earth is the only thing that will stop the feelings and torment.
I think having baby hatches or something similar to America's Save Haven laws would be good, you have a certain amount of time after having a baby (I think 2-3 months) to leave the baby safely in a hospital, police station, fire station. As long the baby is unharmed the parents won't face any criminal charges and can remain nameless during court proceedings to make the baby a ward of the state.
All places that participate have a "Safe Haven" sign and a plastic cot just in side the doors. So any baby left is safe and warm until someone checks.
Short of locking patients in, I'm not sure what can be done?
I think baby hatches are a good idea but that would not have saved this baby. I think this mum was severely depressed and wasnt thinking clearly, I dont think her behaviour was about not wanting the child, or worrying about caring for the child per se, she seems to have acted entirely illogically and was suicidal. It may have also been fairly impulsive too if she didnt seem to raise any concern half hour before when her partner was present, yet then just walks out, slippers and all, walks half a mile to a river gorge and throws herself off.
Would it be just as easy for example if mum went for a shower A visitor on the ward just up'd and left with a baby? Would they go unnoticed too?