Melody Pond - Mels - etc. Questions .
Virgil Tracy
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ok , I need to clarify what we know/don't know .
1.melody is born then kidnapped , brainwashed by Kovorian (what's her gang called ?) .
2.Melody has regenerating abilities , we don't know how many years old she is by the time she becomes Mels .
3. anyway - she ends up in the astronaut suit (can we confirm that ?) then she regenerates in NY and then becomes Mels a young black girl , and then finds Amelia and becomes her best friend .
4. ok - does young Mels know amy and rory are her parents at this point ?
5. and she spends the next 10+ years hanging out with amelia in the hope of bumping into the doctor ... (?)
have I got that all correct so far ?
1.melody is born then kidnapped , brainwashed by Kovorian (what's her gang called ?) .
2.Melody has regenerating abilities , we don't know how many years old she is by the time she becomes Mels .
3. anyway - she ends up in the astronaut suit (can we confirm that ?) then she regenerates in NY and then becomes Mels a young black girl , and then finds Amelia and becomes her best friend .
4. ok - does young Mels know amy and rory are her parents at this point ?
5. and she spends the next 10+ years hanging out with amelia in the hope of bumping into the doctor ... (?)
have I got that all correct so far ?
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I think she does know who Amy and Rory are to her, hence she finds them and makes those comments when Amy finally realises who Rory likes
Assuming the regeneration at the end of 'Day of the Moon' was her last one, she said that she became a toddler then.
So, assuming that a toddler would be Three & taking the date of regeneration as 1970, she would be 22 when Amy was born, if she was ageing conventionally.
Did she age rapidly, travel to Leadworth & then regress her age to appear the same age as Amy?
If so, who brought her up there?
Who took the place of her Parent(s) when needed?
I realise Amy & Rory were shown as sort of fulfilling that role in the Montage sequence at the beginning, but I'm talking about more day-to-day things.
Where did she live?
Who brought her clothes & food?
Who got her the place at Leadworth Primary (or whatever it's called)?
After escaping from the Spacesuit, did Madam K's people find her again & do these things?
some good questions .
did Kavorian send her to live near amy or does she have some history notes to go on ?
also - she said she wasn't at the wedding , but what about since then ? Amy and Rory have had various periods on earth since then , has Mels not seen them at those times , when did amy tell her the doctor was real ?
i covered in spoiler alert just to be sure.
Cant be baby/little girl pond that does it surely?
If it was her - she would have no need to turn into Mels and join Amelia and Rory; then follow doctor into corn field etc.
Then turn into river song an kiss him with lipstick fatal?
And then converted into a goodie that saves him giving up her future regenerations etc.
Surely this means river cant kill doctor? At any point - or is that rubbish?
Am I going mental of does this sound right?
Please be gentle if I have made errors etc.
Newman
The Doctor was shot in 2011 - by then, Melody had regen'd into Mels so it couldn't be "the little girl" in Utah unless there was some reason to time-travel a kid and place her in that suit - which for the life of me makes no sense.
I'd say the suit contained one of the present cast - the obvious choices being River or the Doctor himself - but I wouldn't completely exclude Amy or Rory.
In fact, if it was Rory in the suit, maybe River's bullets did hit the mark - she kills a "good man" at some point and that would be an interesting twist.
River could still do it , it could be her in the spaceman suit , she might be doing it for some as yet unknown reason .
We don't know. We haven't been told yet.
I think it still will be River, but a grown up version. She may have saved The Doctor, but that doesn't mean she isn't completely good, or can't be re-brainwashed.
But as to the original point I think this adventures shows it can't be little Melody/River that kills The Doctor - otherwise she wouldn't be trying to do so again
cheers one and all.
newman
Well, she did kinda grow up alongside them so there's that...
I must admit this is one of the issues that wasn't really addressed - Amy would be so anxious about this , i'd expect her to be much more demanding of explanations , this is her child after all . same with Rory .
I have a feeling that story isn't over yet.
Madam K = River Song
Could Madam K be the first River?
Probably loads of reasons why she couldn't possibly be but frankly, my brain has not been working properly since LKH!
Exactly! Closure achieved.
A child she didn't know she was carrying until it was born, which was taken away soon after. It's not as though they'd had a chance to bond with the kid...
You can always expect the paternal viewpoint from you Tony:D
Well, I freely admit I'm no expert on that kind of thing, having avoided kids like the plague all my life, but at any rate I don't have an issue with the Ponds' attitude. They've just been spared 18 years of hassle and expense, right?:)
is this from "Parenting by Vicky Pollard " ?
As father of four,I can only agree:o
Well, yeah....but, no etc etc
If we'd never seen the photo (or vid) of River with an eye-patch, I don't believe anyone would have ever suggested that they might be the same person. (That was never suggested here or any other forum or blog I've seen before those trailers).
As far as I can see, it's all but impossible to fit that into River's time line - not least because she dies long before she becomes that old and she apparently can't regenerate so she's going to look exactly the same from now until she saves the Doctor in the library. That's without having to worry about inventing a new back-story that requires her to be good then bad then good then bad again.
Genuinely, I'd forgotten about that:o!
My guess is that she foretells something that causes Rory to die (hence her prison reaction) so she stops giving too much away from that point onwards.