Also i'm hearing EE is starting to install 800 masts for the first time out with London.. Mainly the double speed cities. For example already seeing evidence in Edinburgh of 800 coming to Edinburgh shortly..
Also i'm hearing EE is starting to install 800 masts for the first time out with London.. Mainly the double speed cities. For example already seeing evidence in Edinburgh of 800 coming to Edinburgh shortly..
Would be nice to see decent voice and data of any kind in my home postcode first.
Ideally 800Mhz in rural areas would require VoLTE to be fully stable and working, if there's an issue in a city then CSFB should be able to be used while it beds in.
This whole "double speed" thing just needs knocking on the head and let everyone access 4G equally
It was always going to be this way.. I stated it ages before they launch that it was going to follow the DT tarrifs. However if you wanted everyone getting full speed.. Are you willing for everyone's tarrifs going up and the overal speed received going down (due to more receiving full whack) ?
They are the only ones offering it (although in many cases the other 3 networks are not far off speed wise in some cases) so it was always going to be a premium
Product. As will 300 etc.
I'm told there is 800 going into rural soon but I have not received any details of where or how widespread it will be, not that EE requires it at this stage. The 1800 GSM does an ok job coverage wise at the moment no?
It was always going to be this way.. I stated it ages before they launch that it was going to follow the DT tarrifs. However if you wanted everyone getting full speed.. Are you willing for everyone's tarrifs going up and the overal speed received going down (due to more receiving full whack) ?
They are the only ones offering it (although in many cases the other 3 networks are not far off speed wise in some cases) so it was always going to be a premium
Product. As will 300 etc.
I wonder if Vodafone will price LTE-A at a premium once they start rolling it out properly.
I wonder if Vodafone will price LTE-A at a premium once they start rolling it out properly.
Well, in an ideal world there'd be competition and maybe O2 and Vodafone would decide to start a price war etc.
In reality, you know they'll all agree to charge more and not rock the boat.
Three, of course, might rock the boat - except I think it is beginning to grow up and think more like the big boys (or wants to).
To be fair, if you can offer speeds of up to 300Mbps, which is way beyond what most people can get in their home, you probably can easily justify charging a premium.
It was always going to be this way.. I stated it ages before they launch that it was going to follow the DT tarrifs. However if you wanted everyone getting full speed.. Are you willing for everyone's tarrifs going up and the overal speed received going down (due to more receiving full whack) ?
They are the only ones offering it (although in many cases the other 3 networks are not far off speed wise in some cases) so it was always going to be a premium
Product. As will 300 etc.
I'm told there is 800 going into rural soon but I have not received any details of where or how widespread it will be, not that EE requires it at this stage. The 1800 GSM does an ok job coverage wise at the moment no?
It does mostly but 800 would be lovely in some places down here.
Can you answer this. They are running 1800 LTE at a lower power to ensure at least some sort of 2G to fall back to in a weak signal area.
Ok I can sort of see this except that since both 2G and 4G are on the same frequency, surely they will both be identical in given location?
What happens when they roll out 800 then? How does that work??
Are they going to run 800 at 50% power so it doesn't go further then the 2G?
Obviously they aren't as that would totally negate using 800 in the first place.
Or... are they only going to roll out 800 with VoLTE and most 800 capable handsets can do VoLTE so it won't be a problem??
All the benefits of 800MHz really need VoLTE as the whole idea is that it can offer a good service in rural areas. If 2G coverage isn't up to the job as fallback, it will have to be limited and then, what's the point?
But I assume that once VoLTE is set up, modifying the sites to up the power is pretty quick and easy? Thus, people will suddenly get a good 4G service even when they might have a poor, or no, 2G or 3G service.
Even in a city, 800MHz could mean 4G getting into basements and other areas where there's no signal so it will probably be restricted for a while and just used to add capacity.
We need to remember that post VoLTE for 4G to be effective there must be the same/stronger 3G service in the areas, so when VoLTE is a (stable) reality then in theory 4G will mirror 2G in most areas and also have some 4G only areas (800)
We need to remember that post VoLTE for 4G to be effective there must be the same/stronger 3G service in the areas, so when VoLTE is a (stable) reality then in theory 4G will mirror 2G in most areas and also have some 4G only areas (800)
Did you mean 2G there?
It does beg the question - when VoLTE is established and working satisfactorily across the country, what will be the point of carrying on with 3G? I can see that 2G will have to remain for a while as it is embedded in so many functions (smart meters etc) but once VoLTE is working, 3G will have been functionally superceded. How long I wonder, until 2100 spectrum gets reallocated to LTE?
Good question. You could perhaps aim to do it over the next 5-10 years, giving plenty of time for people to upgrade their devices. It certainly wouldn't be quick, if the analogue switch off was anything to go by (TV, not mobile).
In any case, anyone with a 3G phone will be able to use 2G.
2G provides a perfectly adequate means of communication by voice and text, so 3G seems like the one to get rid of by refarming the spectrum to LTE.
It does beg the question - when VoLTE is established and working satisfactorily across the country, what will be the point of carrying on with 3G? I can see that 2G will have to remain for a while as it is embedded in so many functions (smart meters etc) but once VoLTE is working, 3G will have been functionally superceded. How long I wonder, until 2100 spectrum gets reallocated to LTE?
Nope, 3G
3G is the network required/used for CSFB with EE.
The only reason I can see 3G staying is for 3G handsets (requiring fast data)
We need to remember that post VoLTE for 4G to be effective there must be the same/stronger 3G service in the areas, so when VoLTE is a (stable) reality then in theory 4G will mirror 2G in most areas and also have some 4G only areas (800)
Post VoLTE.. we don't need 2G nor 3G. (apart from those pesky old tech contracts <luckily not many with EE> and those using non VoLTE handsets)
But I assume that once VoLTE is set up, modifying the sites to up the power is pretty quick and easy? Thus, people will suddenly get a good 4G service even when they might have a poor, or no, 2G or 3G service.
Even in a city, 800MHz could mean 4G getting into basements and other areas where there's no signal so it will probably be restricted for a while and just used to add capacity.
I'm already finding with 4G I have decent coverage in many places where there is no 2G and 3G reception. Presumably 4G has better error connection than 2G hence the better penetration even at lower power on the 1800MHz bands? The sooner VoLTE rolls out the better :cool:
We need to remember that post VoLTE for 4G to be effective there must be the same/stronger 3G service in the areas, so when VoLTE is a (stable) reality then in theory 4G will mirror 2G in most areas and also have some 4G only areas (800)
Of course. But it's very hard to prove, even when it's quite obvious (as in one company puts up charges, or introduces a fee for something previously free, and they all follow).
I'm not saying there are seedy meetings where everyone agrees to keep prices high, but more a case of networks realising that you don't do anything stupid in the name of competition.
Three, Virgin Mobile and others were once seen as the 'David' networks taking on Goliath, but as they've grown they've realised they're now more like Goliath.
EE have big dreams they think 97% of there customers will have 4G devices by end of 2018 can't see that happening honestly. Even now smartphone penetration is only 80~85% and a lot of them include 3G devices can't see it jumping to 97% in 4 years.
EE have big dreams they think 97% of there customers will have 4G devices by end of 2018 can't see that happening honestly. Even now smartphone penetration is only 80~85% and a lot of them include 3G devices can't see it jumping to 97% in 4 years.
Surely almost 100% of phones on EE is a 4G phone.
Or are they including Orange/T-Mobile customers in that figure?
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I've heard this as well.
Would be nice to see decent voice and data of any kind in my home postcode first.
Wait until EE starts to charge extra for Cat 6 LTE (300Mbps).
WTF????
From what I've heard it'll be in both rural areas and cities.
Ideally 800Mhz in rural areas would require VoLTE to be fully stable and working, if there's an issue in a city then CSFB should be able to be used while it beds in.
It was always going to be this way.. I stated it ages before they launch that it was going to follow the DT tarrifs. However if you wanted everyone getting full speed.. Are you willing for everyone's tarrifs going up and the overal speed received going down (due to more receiving full whack) ?
They are the only ones offering it (although in many cases the other 3 networks are not far off speed wise in some cases) so it was always going to be a premium
Product. As will 300 etc.
I'm told there is 800 going into rural soon but I have not received any details of where or how widespread it will be, not that EE requires it at this stage. The 1800 GSM does an ok job coverage wise at the moment no?
I wonder if Vodafone will price LTE-A at a premium once they start rolling it out properly.
Well, in an ideal world there'd be competition and maybe O2 and Vodafone would decide to start a price war etc.
In reality, you know they'll all agree to charge more and not rock the boat.
Three, of course, might rock the boat - except I think it is beginning to grow up and think more like the big boys (or wants to).
To be fair, if you can offer speeds of up to 300Mbps, which is way beyond what most people can get in their home, you probably can easily justify charging a premium.
It does mostly but 800 would be lovely in some places down here.
Can you answer this. They are running 1800 LTE at a lower power to ensure at least some sort of 2G to fall back to in a weak signal area.
Ok I can sort of see this except that since both 2G and 4G are on the same frequency, surely they will both be identical in given location?
What happens when they roll out 800 then? How does that work??
Are they going to run 800 at 50% power so it doesn't go further then the 2G?
Obviously they aren't as that would totally negate using 800 in the first place.
Or... are they only going to roll out 800 with VoLTE and most 800 capable handsets can do VoLTE so it won't be a problem??
But I assume that once VoLTE is set up, modifying the sites to up the power is pretty quick and easy? Thus, people will suddenly get a good 4G service even when they might have a poor, or no, 2G or 3G service.
Even in a city, 800MHz could mean 4G getting into basements and other areas where there's no signal so it will probably be restricted for a while and just used to add capacity.
Did you mean 2G there?
It does beg the question - when VoLTE is established and working satisfactorily across the country, what will be the point of carrying on with 3G? I can see that 2G will have to remain for a while as it is embedded in so many functions (smart meters etc) but once VoLTE is working, 3G will have been functionally superceded. How long I wonder, until 2100 spectrum gets reallocated to LTE?
In any case, anyone with a 3G phone will be able to use 2G.
2G provides a perfectly adequate means of communication by voice and text, so 3G seems like the one to get rid of by refarming the spectrum to LTE.
Nope, 3G
3G is the network required/used for CSFB with EE.
The only reason I can see 3G staying is for 3G handsets (requiring fast data)
Post VoLTE.. we don't need 2G nor 3G. (apart from those pesky old tech contracts <luckily not many with EE> and those using non VoLTE handsets)
To correct myself, i meant pre
exciting times
Of course. But it's very hard to prove, even when it's quite obvious (as in one company puts up charges, or introduces a fee for something previously free, and they all follow).
I'm not saying there are seedy meetings where everyone agrees to keep prices high, but more a case of networks realising that you don't do anything stupid in the name of competition.
Three, Virgin Mobile and others were once seen as the 'David' networks taking on Goliath, but as they've grown they've realised they're now more like Goliath.
Surely almost 100% of phones on EE is a 4G phone.
Or are they including Orange/T-Mobile customers in that figure?
Entire customer basis so yeah it would include Orange/T-Mobile customers sorry should of made that clear.
Imagine by 2018 Jabba T-Mobile/Orange brands will have fully gone anyway,