Who has actually won one of these contests, due to being the best vocally?
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I for one think that the only person who can really claim to have been the best vocally in "their year" is Leona Lewis.
Which I suppose is why Simon Cowell now calls it a popularity contest, rather than a singing contest.
it is therefore no surprise to me that Leona has had more success than any other contestant.
Let me list a few:
Will Young: would never have got into the finals of pop idol, if he hadn't stood up against Cowell, I mean before then he never was even on the radar. If in that one instant he had not have said those things. Gareth Gates would have strolled it. Now I like Will and he has done well. In the end he may have won because of his vocals, but he would never have been in that position.
Michelle Mcmanus: Won because she was a big girl, she was never the best singer that year. Sunk without a trace.
Shayne Ward: got the teeny bopper vote, there were two or three better vocally in that year. He just did his bee gees bit with his high notes EVERY week. Also some shameless flirting with Sharon did him a few favours. Where is he now?
Leon Jackson: Nowhere near as vocally talented as Rhydiann, I personally didn't like Rhydian, but he was a better singer. Leon won on looks for me. He has kind of had little success.
Its obvious to me that this year vocally Alex is definately the winner, if anybody else wins, then singing has lost at the end of the day.
If we look at the American Idol final, the best singer almost every year wins. If it was an Archuletta vs Cook final here. Archuletta would win hands down, hes cuter.
Are we happy that it is now about popularity, or do we want it back to pure old singing? Lets face it half the time I cant even hear Eughan sing (if that how you spell it) as he has a troop of backing singers and dancers. Id prefer it to be just about the singers.
If the most popular win most years why do they almost always sink without trace. Leona was the best singer and she has flourished. Its no surprise to me.
Which I suppose is why Simon Cowell now calls it a popularity contest, rather than a singing contest.
it is therefore no surprise to me that Leona has had more success than any other contestant.
Let me list a few:
Will Young: would never have got into the finals of pop idol, if he hadn't stood up against Cowell, I mean before then he never was even on the radar. If in that one instant he had not have said those things. Gareth Gates would have strolled it. Now I like Will and he has done well. In the end he may have won because of his vocals, but he would never have been in that position.
Michelle Mcmanus: Won because she was a big girl, she was never the best singer that year. Sunk without a trace.
Shayne Ward: got the teeny bopper vote, there were two or three better vocally in that year. He just did his bee gees bit with his high notes EVERY week. Also some shameless flirting with Sharon did him a few favours. Where is he now?
Leon Jackson: Nowhere near as vocally talented as Rhydiann, I personally didn't like Rhydian, but he was a better singer. Leon won on looks for me. He has kind of had little success.
Its obvious to me that this year vocally Alex is definately the winner, if anybody else wins, then singing has lost at the end of the day.
If we look at the American Idol final, the best singer almost every year wins. If it was an Archuletta vs Cook final here. Archuletta would win hands down, hes cuter.
Are we happy that it is now about popularity, or do we want it back to pure old singing? Lets face it half the time I cant even hear Eughan sing (if that how you spell it) as he has a troop of backing singers and dancers. Id prefer it to be just about the singers.
If the most popular win most years why do they almost always sink without trace. Leona was the best singer and she has flourished. Its no surprise to me.
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Will and Leona won because of their vocal talent I'm sure of it. Gareth Gates was prettier and his voice was sugery-sweet but Will was far stronger than he or Darius.
Leona, being a girl, was at first unlikely winner, but he talent shone through.
Michelle McMannus won because of the Scottish vote, and the back up of the Scottish media.
Leon - same as above.
Different country but easily the best vocalist. And at the moment actually the best vocalist to ever come out of one of these shows.
I totally agree about will, however I dont think he would have been in the final 10, had he not taken on Cowell.
Exactly the American public care about the best. We care about who we fancy or like or who is the underdog. Hence why America has that winning attitude and we most of the time fail, when up against them.
Having the best voice doesn't equate to having the x-factor
it asks about any contest,not just the x factor
My point about the x-factor still stands.
Out of the rest
Will Young won Pop Idol
Congrat only 2nd post in the thread and that old chestnut the mythical Scottish vote theory rears its head again.
If the theory is correct explain why its only worked in these 2 cases and did not work in more than 2 others.
If your theory is correct then every year a Scot entered they would win - in fact the McDonald brothers should have beaten Leona based on your theory.
Surely though it should be a singing contest? I dont like the huge amount of backing singers and dancers they have now.
And if as you say the winners have the x factor, why do almost 90% of winners fail in this country?
Yet the best singer, who maybe didnt have a great persona on stage, is conquering the US, which is extremely hard to do.
The more and more I see this kind of comment, the more I think that 'Scottishness' is working against the acts, not for them.
So has every Idol winner been the best vocally I doubt that everyone will agree with that.
the x factor is still a talent competition,yet the public seem to more want those they fancy to win
Im not convinced it was the Scottish vote. I still dont think they were the best singers in their year though. With Leon people liked his looks, and he did have a voice although not as strong as a few of the others. I think people felt sorry for Mcmanus, and wanted one in the eye for Simon Cowell.
The World Idol event was without much background knowledge - waived factors like likeability etc etc.
Kurt is not an attractive man and he won that show with a landslide. One of the very best vocalists to emerge from a show like this.
Oh and I agree about Kelly C - fabulous singer.
As for Leon....sure, sure....he's a good looking kid....but has a gorgeous tone to his voice and I still adore it. That's the only reason I voted for him.
I hear what you're saying but Simon championed Michelle that year.
Only when he knew people were voting for her though.
Jennifer Hudson came in at about 8th place. I can't think of any of our contestants who sing better than her. Her voice is insane.
Take American Idol's Anwar for example, he was a rousing original singer, the one to watch, then he was outed for having a gay online profile and he was voted off the next week. There's been a number of other examples where any hint of scandal means you're dead meat on American Idol the next week or week after. This is why the contestants all smile and try their best to look and sound like squeaky clean Coca Cola children. It's like Idol is a Mormon festival.
If Alex was in American Idol and it was revealed she had made a porn video with an ex she would not win. In Britain 2008 we tend to be more accomodating. We might not like their hair, their nose, but if they shag consenting dogs of a weekend it's entirely their own business.
Neither side of the Atlantic can lay claim to having winners who are necessarily the best singers. It's all a popularity contest, and always has been.
Well, even before then really. I remember when they were arguing about who to put through to the first sets of elimination rounds (when 2 went through each week) before the live shows. Simon argued and argued for Michelle.....while Pete was not for having her.
JH is fabulous....I love her.
Hmmmm...I know tons and tons pf people agree with you but I just could not stand Shayne Ward. In any way at all. :eek: