Labour have absolutely NO chance being elected. We are now in a completely different UK now. The SNP rule the roost up in scotland and thanks to the lib dems sleeping with the devil ,which they have paid for and the rise of the protest vote in UKIP here in england and wales we now have the prospect of a conservative government for the long haul
People are forgetting to factor in the 3 and a half million Labour voters who never actually went out and voted. Hoping they get their asses into gear next time things might be a little bit different.
Labour have absolutely NO chance being elected. We are now in a completely different UK now. The SNP rule the roost up in scotland and thanks to the lib dems sleeping with the devil ,which they have paid for and the rise of the protest vote in UKIP here in england and wales we now have the prospect of a conservative government for the long haul
Who are starting on a massive 12 seat majority... yep... they'll be in power forever.
People are forgetting to factor in the 3 and a half million Labour voters who never actually went out and voted. Hoping they get their asses into gear next time things might be a little bit different.
I doubt it OP. Both Labour and the Tories have been in opposition for long periods in the past and come back to Govern and Labour can do so again and will if they stop taking their core voters for granted and stop chasing the so called swing voters.
Its because Labour have alienated their core supporters since Blair was Labour leader is the primary reason why Labour have lost so much support over the years. Blair lost 4 Million votes for Labour from 1997-2005 and then they lost another Million votes in the 2010 election. In the election just gone, Labour's popular numbers rose by the best part of a Million but the media haven't mentioned that much. No surprise there. What is a surprise is that Labour MP's are not mentioning it.
Unite are not the party, they contribute and are affiliated with it. Not the same thing. It will be interesting to see how long it takes the Tories before they start stabbing each other in the back. They have form for it you know.
Is that it? Is that all you can see as a way back in for Labour?
The current Labour Party are too centrist for Scotland, and too left wing for England.
People are forgetting to factor in the 3 and a half million Labour voters who never actually went out and voted. Hoping they get their asses into gear next time things might be a little bit different.
Are you really suggesting 3.5 million voters weren't concerned about the "austerity" "cost of living crisis" and "zero hours contracts" which are trumpeted on here in every other post?
Rejected by the British public the Labour party now has two choices; choose a leader who the Unions would like or choose a leader who the public might like.
England is not going to vote for a Unite Lacky and Unite are not going to fund a New Labour leader.
It's as good as all over for Labour.
Ok then what happens?
Because Britain will never be a one party state, the Liberals were replaced by Labour, so which other party do you see coming to become the second party of Government?
BTW Labour secured 200,000 fewer votes than it took to secure a 66 seat majority in 2005. Labour have more seats in England than they did in 2010, or at any time in the 1980s and after 1992.
Oh and as someone whose just cancelled his Unite membership because of McCluskey and co. I say good luck to them. They are a shite union with shite leadership who couldn't give two hoots about their members. We are nothing more than cash cows to McCluskey's vanity and I suspect whatever short term harm losing Unite may do it will utlimately be beneficial to the Labour party.
Cameron and Osborne are sat in the centre ground. It is they who are sticking up for the workers.
What is a new centre labour leader going to offer the electorate? More tax cuts, an 8 day a week NHS, another ballot on Europe?
There is no centre ground for Labour to stand on!
Do you really believe Cam is on the centre ground? This govt. is the most right-wing govt. this country has ever seen. My conscience is clear. I didn't vote for them...and neither did the majority of the country.
Do you really believe Cam is on the centre ground? This govt. is the most right-wing govt. this country has ever seen. My conscience is clear. I didn't vote for them...and neither did the majority of the country.
You just don't get it do you?
The English public has moved dramatically to the right.
They don't want more immigrants
They don't like benefit scroungers
They don't want more taxes.
The last socialist labour government was elected in 1974. Since then they have had to keep moving to the right to get elected. Miliband stopped that shift and paid the price.
Rejected by the British public the Labour party now has two choices; choose a leader who the Unions would like or choose a leader who the public might like.
England is not going to vote for a Unite Lacky and Unite are not going to fund a New Labour leader.
It's as good as all over for Labour.
^^^ That is just unthinking partisan BS. In the 1997 general election, the Conservatives were left with 165 seats and they managed to recover from that situation so Labour can certainly recover from a baseline of 232 seats.
The English public has moved dramatically to the right.
They don't want more immigrants
They don't like benefit scroungers
They don't want more taxes.
The last socialist labour government was elected in 1974. Since then they have had to keep moving to the right to get elected. Miliband stopped that shift and paid the price.
The last time I looked, 37% was no-where near a majority! The tories only increased their share of the vote by less than 1% as did Labour.
No...the majority of the country understands that to pay for public services we value, we need higher taxes, we realise too that playing 'Little Englander' is no good and that the country is a net benefitter of immigration.
Ah the old Daily Mail 'benefit scrounges' line... remind us, of the £200 billion benefit bill, where does the majority go?
P.S. I thought the Tories were trying to get rid of the Nasty Party tag. I don't see much evidence of it working. We are a carying, compassionate, inclusive country who believes in equlity...that is the real UK.
That is because you are confusing being left wing and being socialist.
Socialism is only a form of left wing policies.
A better definition of left/right is ordinary people/establishment.
Capitalism in it's original incarnation was left wing!
It really doesn't matter because the contention was not about their politics but about their status as a party. In any case the business about Unite withdrawing support is debunked her:
^^^ That is just unthinking partisan BS. In the 1997 general election, the Conservatives were left with 165 seats and they managed to recover from that situation so Labour can certainly recover from a baseline of 232 seats.
In 1997 the Tories were fighting a slicker version of themselves.
Had they been fighting Ed Miliband or Andy Burnham they would have won a landslide majority.
The only way Labour can win back votes is to move dramatically to the Right. Their paymasters won't support that so they are screwed.
Again I am going to post the '97 result - Labour; 418 seats, Tory 165.
The significance of that stat is that both parties have come back from significant defeats, and the country did elect a left wing party with a significant majority.
Ah yes, lady T god rest her soul, turned labour into new labour as there was no way into government otherwise. Seems this lesson needs to be re learned.
New labour equals Tory light. Happy with that as a second choice.
Ah yes, lady T god rest her soul, turned labour into new labour as there was no way into government otherwise. Seems this lesson needs to be re learned.
New labour equals Tory light. Happy with that as a second choice.
Hardly, Labour lost the '92 election which was nearer to Mrs T's time as PM.
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Of course the centre ground moves, if majority political opinion moves.
The centre ground is a concept, or metaphor. It's not something physical, set in stone.
Who are starting on a massive 12 seat majority... yep... they'll be in power forever.
Link to these stats please.
Its because Labour have alienated their core supporters since Blair was Labour leader is the primary reason why Labour have lost so much support over the years. Blair lost 4 Million votes for Labour from 1997-2005 and then they lost another Million votes in the 2010 election. In the election just gone, Labour's popular numbers rose by the best part of a Million but the media haven't mentioned that much. No surprise there. What is a surprise is that Labour MP's are not mentioning it.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3079649/Miliband-lost-3million-lazy-Labour-supporters-didn-t-bother-vote-says-pollster-IpsosMORI.html
And all it'll take is a "Black Wednesday" moment and that majority will completely vanish.
Is that it? Is that all you can see as a way back in for Labour?
The current Labour Party are too centrist for Scotland, and too left wing for England.
Are you really suggesting 3.5 million voters weren't concerned about the "austerity" "cost of living crisis" and "zero hours contracts" which are trumpeted on here in every other post?
Ok then what happens?
Because Britain will never be a one party state, the Liberals were replaced by Labour, so which other party do you see coming to become the second party of Government?
BTW Labour secured 200,000 fewer votes than it took to secure a 66 seat majority in 2005. Labour have more seats in England than they did in 2010, or at any time in the 1980s and after 1992.
Oh and as someone whose just cancelled his Unite membership because of McCluskey and co. I say good luck to them. They are a shite union with shite leadership who couldn't give two hoots about their members. We are nothing more than cash cows to McCluskey's vanity and I suspect whatever short term harm losing Unite may do it will utlimately be beneficial to the Labour party.
Do you really believe Cam is on the centre ground? This govt. is the most right-wing govt. this country has ever seen. My conscience is clear. I didn't vote for them...and neither did the majority of the country.
You just don't get it do you?
The English public has moved dramatically to the right.
They don't want more immigrants
They don't like benefit scroungers
They don't want more taxes.
The last socialist labour government was elected in 1974. Since then they have had to keep moving to the right to get elected. Miliband stopped that shift and paid the price.
^^^ That is just unthinking partisan BS. In the 1997 general election, the Conservatives were left with 165 seats and they managed to recover from that situation so Labour can certainly recover from a baseline of 232 seats.
Give it time both Labour and Lib Dems will come back from this.
People wrote the UUP off too but whilst 2 seats isn't a huge number many predicted they'd have none- parties make comebacks.
The last time I looked, 37% was no-where near a majority! The tories only increased their share of the vote by less than 1% as did Labour.
No...the majority of the country understands that to pay for public services we value, we need higher taxes, we realise too that playing 'Little Englander' is no good and that the country is a net benefitter of immigration.
Ah the old Daily Mail 'benefit scrounges' line... remind us, of the £200 billion benefit bill, where does the majority go?
P.S. I thought the Tories were trying to get rid of the Nasty Party tag. I don't see much evidence of it working. We are a carying, compassionate, inclusive country who believes in equlity...that is the real UK.
It really doesn't matter because the contention was not about their politics but about their status as a party. In any case the business about Unite withdrawing support is debunked her:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-32777771
In 1997 the Tories were fighting a slicker version of themselves.
Had they been fighting Ed Miliband or Andy Burnham they would have won a landslide majority.
The only way Labour can win back votes is to move dramatically to the Right. Their paymasters won't support that so they are screwed.
Ah yes, lady T god rest her soul, turned labour into new labour as there was no way into government otherwise. Seems this lesson needs to be re learned.
New labour equals Tory light. Happy with that as a second choice.
Two years into this parliament and we will al be screwed.
Hardly, Labour lost the '92 election which was nearer to Mrs T's time as PM.
I suggest you look at the House of Commons and you'll see a 37% share of the vote equals a comfortable majority.
The vote or the seats?