Would a employer really take much notice of someone being on a placement, knowing that the unemployed are forced to go on one, so does not mean a thing really
At your next interview:
Interviewer: "Oh I see you have been doing voluntary work at Poundland; why did you decide on doing that?"
You: "I didn't! I was sent there against my will kicking and screaming all the way under threat of starvation."
I may be wrong, but if there was actually something being proposed that helped these people get back into work then I doubt anyone would be arguing against it.
As it stands, making someone go to sign everyday, does not help one bit.
Nor does making them work for 40 hours per week for 'free' in a position that should be paid.
Allowing them to do a college course perhaps..or even something simple like a first aid training course.
Asolutely this.
I can think of several ways the Jobcentre could get people off benefits and into work. Simply by acting as a JOBcentre rather than a Benefit Office.
Yes it would take a bit of a rethink and adjustment but it can be done. I'm not sure why every step they take is away from matching up an unemployed person with a job and towards more paper shuffling.
I can think of several ways the Jobcentre could get people off benefits and into work. Simply by acting as a JOBcentre rather than a Benefit Office.
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If they simply acted as a JOBcentre, they might as well close down due to lack of opportunities.
If they simply acted as a JOBcentre, they might as well close down due to lack of opportunities.
I'm not sure what you mean. Are you saying there is a lack of jobs?
There may not be enough for everybody, that is true, but people who do want work will get it much more quickly if the system was more efficient = less benefits paid
I can think of several ways the Jobcentre could get people off benefits and into work. Simply by acting as a JOBcentre rather than a Benefit Office.
The delicious irony is that they used to do exactly that but wanted to save money and cut down on staff and so stopped doing any job searching/matching work and turned into what it is today.
Now they haven't got the staff to sign on all these extra people coming in every day, and will certainly have zero time to help anyone with anything. Which makes a total farce of anyone trying to suggest that going to the JC every day is designed to help you.
Housing Benefit run on has been removed, you don't get it any more.
You don't get any automatic back to work bonus either as that too has been removed. It is now entirely at the discretion of your adviser whether you get any payment to help with clothes for work etc.
Crisis loans have also been scrapped, with responsibility for those in dire straits handed from the DWP over to local authorities. Many LAs no longer give any form of loans, instead referring people to the likes of Food Banks and charities to provide second hand clothing etc. It's undoubtedly one of the reasons food bank use has increased.
Social Fund Budgeting Loans are still available, but there are proposals to have them replaced by schemes run by commercial lenders such as (would you believe) Wonga.:o
Thanks for the correction on the HB run on and the back to work bonus,pretty sure they`ve ended very recently (April? start of this year?). Probably speaking as an annoyed on and off JSA claimaint always back to work in two months
BIB,involving Wonga is a new one on me. Some of the payday loans don`t care if you`re on benefits. They should be advising you on credit unions,but get the feeling you need to be working for those--you don`t just get a loan you need to save with them first,I`m pretty certain,and have to work or live in their catchment `area`.
Loans? People need to save when they`re working--and stock up the fridge/freezer/larder.
The delicious irony is that they used to do exactly that but wanted to save money and cut down on staff and so stopped doing any job searching/matching work and turned into what it is today.
Now they haven't got the staff to sign on all these extra people coming in every day, and will certainly have zero time to help anyone with anything. Which makes a total farce of anyone trying to suggest that going to the JC every day is designed to help you.
Indeed. I posted about that earlier in this thread. I remember those days. When you went to the Jobcentre and they actually found work for you. It baffles me why it's not the same now. We get constantly told there are loads of jobs out there. Surely it's not beyond the capability of the Jobcentres to match up those jobs with suitable people who want work. I think I must be missing something as it seems obvious to me
In my local jobcentre they used to have free phones to call relevant departments about your benefits. Useful for those without access to a house/mobile phone and for those who can't afford a phone because of what JSA pays.
They've got rid of them now and looking set to remove the job search computers they have too.
It really is like they don't care about helping people anymore.
In my local jobcentre they used to have free phones to call relevant departments about your benefits. Useful for those without access to a house/mobile phone and for those who can't afford a phone because of what JSA pays.
They've got rid of them now and looking set to remove the job search computers they have too.
It really is like they don't care about helping people anymore.
are you serious? removing the job points, and then saying that people have to go 5 times a day, to help them get a job, is an utter joke.
In my local jobcentre they used to have free phones to call relevant departments about your benefits. Useful for those without access to a house/mobile phone and for those who can't afford a phone because of what JSA pays. They've got rid of them now and looking set to remove the job search computers they have too.
It really is like they don't care about helping people anymore.
Our jobcentre phones go 12th of May--we could sue them to actually call up jobs/recruitment companies. Couldn`t call mobiles though. We have four computers,looks like they`ll stay--I haven`t heard of jobcentres getting rid of computers! The jobpoints total about 10 maybe but only two ever work for the past six months,and you can rarely print out copies of the jobs.
It`s more than they don`t care.
Our jobcentre phones go 12th of May--we could sue them to actually call up jobs/recruitment companies. Couldn`t call mobiles though. We have four computers,looks like they`ll stay--I haven`t heard of jobcentres getting rid of computers! The jobpoints total about 10 maybe but only two ever work for the past six months,and you can rarely print out copies of the jobs.
It`s more than they don`t care.
I meant the jobpoints sorry.
But apparently bot they and the free phones are being replaced with a small number of wifi computers.
I meant the jobpoints sorry.
But apparently bot they and the free phones are being replaced with a small number of wifi computers.
It makes sense to replace the jobpoints with computers--Direct.gov`s Jobmatch website presumably contains all the jobpoint vacancies presumably.
Anytime I use a computer there is always someone next to me who needs help--with even turning the computer on! Your adviser can actually check up on your activity on the Jobmatch site so it really saves a lot of time. Problem is you`re only supposed to use it for obviously jobhunting and updating/printing off CVs. What about printing off job descriptions,info about companies (for interviews),printing off job help and tips. I was not allowed gto use a computer because I had-- accidentally-- printed off 10 pages or so for an interview to study up on the company and visited a blog about a company that the Job Centre helped me get a job with who didn`t pay me and had scammed many other people. They`re strict on anything apart from jobhunting and printing CVs.
Indeed. I posted about that earlier in this thread. I remember those days. When you went to the Jobcentre and they actually found work for you. It baffles me why it's not the same now. We get constantly told there are loads of jobs out there. Surely it's not beyond the capability of the Jobcentres to match up those jobs with suitable people who want work. I think I must be missing something as it seems obvious to me
AH! I have identified the problem:
YOU are thinking along the lines that the answer to someone who is out of work and wants a job is to get a job!
The government know that they don't have the jobs and so are not wasting their time employing JC staff to look and find you jobs that are not there. So all they are interested in is getting you off the Unemployment figures any way they can: Out and out sanctions for any reason they can make stick or making you go to the JC every day for no good reason until you take one of their unpaid jobs. Any way, they get you off the Unemployment figures.
And that dear people is why the whole system is well and truly ferked! - With only one side interested in you getting a job (and it ain't them!)
JobSeeker - They do everything the can to waste time that you could use to Job Seek.
Jobcentre - A place that is not a centre for jobs.
In my local jobcentre they used to have free phones to call relevant departments about your benefits. Useful for those without access to a house/mobile phone and for those who can't afford a phone because of what JSA pays.
They've got rid of them now and looking set to remove the job search computers they have too.
It really is like they don't care about helping people anymore.
They need more room for decks with more people to sign on everyday, I would gladly work there. All you do is sanction people. Its a easy job.
I want to go to college to do an Access course for a year then go to university. I'm 30. I can't do this because of these stupid new rules, which won't help me find work.
I want to go to college to do an Access course for a year then go to university. I'm 30. I can't do this because of these stupid new rules, which won't help me find work.
How does the government square that circle?
That's because the Tory scum are not interested in helping people, they just want to berate, punish and exploit the unemployed for the benefit of business owners that support their party.
Anybody with half a brain can see that this exploitation scheme doesn't accomplish anything other than providing free labour to companies.
These companies just get free labour from a person for he duration of that person's placement, and at the end of it the person just goes back to being unemployed as they always were, and the company gets another person in their place.
It is a never ending circle of free labour for the company, taking the place of paid vacancies, thus saving the company massive amounts of money, while we (the taxpayers) still foot the bill.
But of course the retarded right wing who support this exploitation scheme will still support it under the "something for nothing" bullsh!t excuse.
But this just shows them up to be massive hypocrites because they are perfectly happy for companies to get hundreds of pounds worth of labour for nothing each week. But of course "something for nothing" is accepted in this case because it isn't the scroungers that are taking it!
Indeed. I posted about that earlier in this thread. I remember those days. When you went to the Jobcentre and they actually found work for you. It baffles me why it's not the same now. We get constantly told there are loads of jobs out there. Surely it's not beyond the capability of the Jobcentres to match up those jobs with suitable people who want work. I think I must be missing something as it seems obvious to me
Bigger fool you for believing this rubbish! Sadly there are a number of people like yourself that will believe anything they read!
The new proposal gives 4hrs of supervised applications. For those going wrong in the application process, it will help a lot.
If only that were true. Someone I know went on one and the trainer has diabolical grammar and didn't know the first thing about how to write a covering letter.
Anyone whose applications were "supervised" by him was wasting their time.
That's because the Tory scum are not interested in helping people, they just want to berate, punish and exploit the unemployed for the benefit of business owners that support their party.
Anybody with half a brain can see that this exploitation scheme doesn't accomplish anything other than providing free labour to companies.
These companies just get free labour from a person for he duration of that person's placement, and at the end of it the person just goes back to being unemployed as they always were, and the company gets another person in their place.
It is a never ending circle of free labour for the company, taking the place of paid vacancies, thus saving the company massive amounts of money, while we (the taxpayers) still foot the bill.
But of course the retarded right wing who support this exploitation scheme will still support it under the "something for nothing" bullsh!t excuse.
But this just shows them up to be massive hypocrites because they are perfectly happy for companies to get hundreds of pounds worth of labour for nothing each week. But of course "something for nothing" is accepted in this case because it isn't the scroungers that are taking it!
If only that were true. Someone I know went on one and the trainer has diabolical grammar and didn't know the first thing about how to write a covering letter.
Anyone whose applications were "supervised" by him was wasting their time.
Doesn't mean they are all like that though.
Personally I believe in helping people, not just giving up on them.
Personally I believe in helping people, not just giving up on them.
The trouble is most these things are not about helping people, but about getting figures down and saving money. The cheapest way to save money is make it as difficult for people to be able to claim money, stop people money for no real reason
The trouble is most these things are not about helping people, but about getting figures down and saving money. The cheapest way to save money is make it as difficult for people to be able to claim money, stop people money for no real reason
I disagree. I think giving people the taste of work and helping them to fill out application forms is helping.
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At your next interview:
Interviewer: "Oh I see you have been doing voluntary work at Poundland; why did you decide on doing that?"
You: "I didn't! I was sent there against my will kicking and screaming all the way under threat of starvation."
Interviewer: "Oh I see! Thank you. NEXT!"
Asolutely this.
I can think of several ways the Jobcentre could get people off benefits and into work. Simply by acting as a JOBcentre rather than a Benefit Office.
Yes it would take a bit of a rethink and adjustment but it can be done. I'm not sure why every step they take is away from matching up an unemployed person with a job and towards more paper shuffling.
If they simply acted as a JOBcentre, they might as well close down due to lack of opportunities.
I'm not sure what you mean. Are you saying there is a lack of jobs?
There may not be enough for everybody, that is true, but people who do want work will get it much more quickly if the system was more efficient = less benefits paid
The delicious irony is that they used to do exactly that but wanted to save money and cut down on staff and so stopped doing any job searching/matching work and turned into what it is today.
Now they haven't got the staff to sign on all these extra people coming in every day, and will certainly have zero time to help anyone with anything. Which makes a total farce of anyone trying to suggest that going to the JC every day is designed to help you.
Thanks for the correction on the HB run on and the back to work bonus,pretty sure they`ve ended very recently (April? start of this year?). Probably speaking as an annoyed on and off JSA claimaint always back to work in two months
BIB,involving Wonga is a new one on me. Some of the payday loans don`t care if you`re on benefits. They should be advising you on credit unions,but get the feeling you need to be working for those--you don`t just get a loan you need to save with them first,I`m pretty certain,and have to work or live in their catchment `area`.
Loans? People need to save when they`re working--and stock up the fridge/freezer/larder.
Indeed. I posted about that earlier in this thread. I remember those days. When you went to the Jobcentre and they actually found work for you. It baffles me why it's not the same now. We get constantly told there are loads of jobs out there. Surely it's not beyond the capability of the Jobcentres to match up those jobs with suitable people who want work. I think I must be missing something as it seems obvious to me
They've got rid of them now and looking set to remove the job search computers they have too.
It really is like they don't care about helping people anymore.
Our jobcentre phones go 12th of May--we could sue them to actually call up jobs/recruitment companies. Couldn`t call mobiles though. We have four computers,looks like they`ll stay--I haven`t heard of jobcentres getting rid of computers! The jobpoints total about 10 maybe but only two ever work for the past six months,and you can rarely print out copies of the jobs.
It`s more than they don`t care.
I meant the jobpoints sorry.
But apparently bot they and the free phones are being replaced with a small number of wifi computers.
It makes sense to replace the jobpoints with computers--Direct.gov`s Jobmatch website presumably contains all the jobpoint vacancies presumably.
Anytime I use a computer there is always someone next to me who needs help--with even turning the computer on! Your adviser can actually check up on your activity on the Jobmatch site so it really saves a lot of time. Problem is you`re only supposed to use it for obviously jobhunting and updating/printing off CVs. What about printing off job descriptions,info about companies (for interviews),printing off job help and tips. I was not allowed gto use a computer because I had-- accidentally-- printed off 10 pages or so for an interview to study up on the company and visited a blog about a company that the Job Centre helped me get a job with who didn`t pay me and had scammed many other people. They`re strict on anything apart from jobhunting and printing CVs.
AH! I have identified the problem:
YOU are thinking along the lines that the answer to someone who is out of work and wants a job is to get a job!
The government know that they don't have the jobs and so are not wasting their time employing JC staff to look and find you jobs that are not there. So all they are interested in is getting you off the Unemployment figures any way they can: Out and out sanctions for any reason they can make stick or making you go to the JC every day for no good reason until you take one of their unpaid jobs. Any way, they get you off the Unemployment figures.
And that dear people is why the whole system is well and truly ferked! - With only one side interested in you getting a job (and it ain't them!)
JobSeeker - They do everything the can to waste time that you could use to Job Seek.
Jobcentre - A place that is not a centre for jobs.
They need more room for decks with more people to sign on everyday, I would gladly work there. All you do is sanction people. Its a easy job.
I want to go to college to do an Access course for a year then go to university. I'm 30. I can't do this because of these stupid new rules, which won't help me find work.
How does the government square that circle?
Anybody with half a brain can see that this exploitation scheme doesn't accomplish anything other than providing free labour to companies.
These companies just get free labour from a person for he duration of that person's placement, and at the end of it the person just goes back to being unemployed as they always were, and the company gets another person in their place.
It is a never ending circle of free labour for the company, taking the place of paid vacancies, thus saving the company massive amounts of money, while we (the taxpayers) still foot the bill.
But of course the retarded right wing who support this exploitation scheme will still support it under the "something for nothing" bullsh!t excuse.
But this just shows them up to be massive hypocrites because they are perfectly happy for companies to get hundreds of pounds worth of labour for nothing each week. But of course "something for nothing" is accepted in this case because it isn't the scroungers that are taking it!
This article reckons its people who have been unemployed 6 months, not 2 years.
If only that were true. Someone I know went on one and the trainer has diabolical grammar and didn't know the first thing about how to write a covering letter.
Anyone whose applications were "supervised" by him was wasting their time.
Couldn't have put it better myself!
People could do a placement stoking them for a while and, in return, they could get a discount on their electricity bill.
;-)
I'm surprised that some right-winger hasn't suggested burning the unemployed to fuel furnaces.
Doesn't mean they are all like that though.
Personally I believe in helping people, not just giving up on them.
The trouble is most these things are not about helping people, but about getting figures down and saving money. The cheapest way to save money is make it as difficult for people to be able to claim money, stop people money for no real reason
I disagree. I think giving people the taste of work and helping them to fill out application forms is helping.