The European Migrant Crisis

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  • MargMckMargMck Posts: 24,115
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    ARYM wrote: »
    Why should anyone have to run the gauntlet of that lot :o

    My nephew, ex-Army (REME) used his HGV licence after service to get a lorry driving job.
    He has now given up that job and become a Brit-based white van man, saying Calais is worse than a run from Camp Bastion.
  • ElectraElectra Posts: 55,660
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    Why are they not arresting them for violent conduct, etc.

    Too many of them, I suppose. They need the manpower to defend the motorway.
  • stargazer61stargazer61 Posts: 70,937
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    Electra wrote: »
    Too many of them, I suppose. They need the manpower to defend the motorway.

    I suppose they do not want a full scale riot given that the camps cover a wide area
  • marianna01marianna01 Posts: 2,598
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    ARYM wrote: »
    Why should anyone have to run the gauntlet of that lot :o

    No-one - they are not wanted here in Kent (or anywhere else in England) but some 22managed to make it today. Where are they now? Probably all claiming they are under the age of 18!

    They have over months (and longer) proved themselves to be violent and should all be rounded up by the French and sent back to where they came from or, if found to have been part of the mobs threatening lorry drivers and destroying lorries and contents, not to mention the tunnel and fences, they should be charged by the French and put in jail.

    It is time that this great so called European 'Union' pulled together but it is too late now and I just long for that vote to get out of it all (which I voted no to way back in '75).
  • ElectraElectra Posts: 55,660
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    Sharia law ‘exists in Austria and Germany’
    A Pakistani-Austrian author who converted from Islam to Catholicism has said that Muslims who refuse to integrate should not be able to live in Europe, and that Sharia law is being openly practised in Austria and Germany.
    http://www.thelocal.at/20151126/sharia-law-exists-in-austria-and-germany

    Austria sees massive jump in right-wing crime
    Austria's police intelligence agency (Bundesamtes für Verfassungsschutz und Terrorismusbekämpfung) received 1,201 criminal complaints about racist and xenophobic crimes between January and September, compared to 750 in the same period last year - a jump of 60 percent.

    The ministry said that there were significant increases in the areas of incitement and neo-Nazi activities.

    http://www.thelocal.at/20151126/austria-sees-massive-jump-in-right-wing-crime
  • ElectraElectra Posts: 55,660
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    More on the Calais trouble

    French police unleash tear gas against migrants in Calais, as mayor calls for army help
    At least six people have been injured in Calais, after French riot police used tear gas to stop men from boarding trucks en-route to the UK. International charities say that conditions at the nearby Jungle refugee camp are at a “crisis point” following weeks of heavy rain.
    https://www.rt.com/news/323598-calais-migrants-police-gas/
  • ElectraElectra Posts: 55,660
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    Police Boss: Migrants Enter Europe To Steal, Traffic Drugs – But Our Courts Won’t Punish Them
    Although the crime wave brought with the migrant crisis is rarely discussed in Germany for fear of giving offence, and least of all by police officers who are bound to political neutrality, police chief superintendent Bundesschriftführer Rüdiger Seidenspinner has broken ranks to speak out about the problem.
    http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/11/26/police-boss-criminals-entering-europe-steal-traffic-drugs-courts-wont-punish/
  • ElectraElectra Posts: 55,660
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    WHO Director-General addresses panel on migration and health
    Opening remarks at the 106th International Organization for Migration Council
    Geneva, Switzerland
    26 November 2015

    http://www.who.int/dg/speeches/2015/migration-and-health/en/
  • ElectraElectra Posts: 55,660
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    Migrants Arriving in Germany Face a Chaotic Reception in Berlin
    BERLIN — On a stretch of sidewalk in Germany’s capital, migrant families huddle under blankets, their eyes locked on a tall metal gate. Helpers in bright yellow vests hand out steaming cups of tea to ward against the cold.

    Beyond that gate, in the courtyard of a complex of stately brick buildings in an up-and-coming Berlin neighborhood, is Germany’s version of Ellis Island — a clearing point for hundreds of new arrivals who gather long before dawn to submit their asylum applications.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/27/world/europe/germany-berlin-migrants-refugees.html?&moduleDetail=section-news-4&action=click&contentCollection=Europe&region=Footer&module=MoreInSection&version=WhatsNext&contentID=WhatsNext&pgtype=article

    All those well-meaning people doing the 'refugees welcome' thing in the railway stations......it seems such a long time ago now.
  • duffsdadduffsdad Posts: 11,143
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    Why does France allow such thugs to remain? Round them up and ship them where ever they came from. There should be a resounding message, can't behave, can't stay.
  • PedroPedro Posts: 9,911
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    Attacks against Muslims on the rise after Paris strikes

    "Hate mongers in several European countries have been targeting Muslims after the Paris attacks. Experts say there is an urgent need to stop demonizing one religious community and develop strategies for reconciliation. "

    http://www.dw.com/en/attacks-against-muslims-on-the-rise-after-paris-strikes/a-18878424#disqus_thread

    As usual with the German Media check out the comments for the True situation.
  • PedroPedro Posts: 9,911
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    Two arrested in Berlin suspected of preparing ‘serious act of violence’

    "German police detained two men in a series of anti-terror raids in Berlin on Thursday who they said were suspected of planning “a serious act of violence representing a danger for the state”.

    http://www.france24.com/en/20151126-arrests-berlin-suspects-plot-terror-germany

    Merkel's Legacy .............. >:(
  • ElectraElectra Posts: 55,660
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    Pedro wrote: »
    Two arrested in Berlin suspected of preparing ‘serious act of violence’

    "German police detained two men in a series of anti-terror raids in Berlin on Thursday who they said were suspected of planning “a serious act of violence representing a danger for the state”.

    http://www.france24.com/en/20151126-arrests-berlin-suspects-plot-terror-germany

    Merkel's Legacy .............. >:(

    Only if they were part of the current migration
  • ElectraElectra Posts: 55,660
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    Refugees in winter
    Icy reception - The journey through Europe is miserable for migrants. It is likely to get worse

    During the onset of winter the number of migrants making the perilous journey across the Mediterranean normally drops. This year has been different. In October 2014, 23,000 people made the crossing; this October it was over 220,000—higher than the total for all of last year. Although numbers fell at the start of November, they are still around ten times higher than in 2014 (see chart). Yet as temperatures drop and migrants continue to stream in, Europe’s response has been hopelessly inadequate. After the terrorist attacks in Paris on November 13th, it may get even worse.
    http://www.economist.com/news/europe/21679258-journey-through-europe-miserable-migrants-it-likely-get-worse-icy-reception
  • ElectraElectra Posts: 55,660
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    German Companies Mainly See Refugees as Unskilled Workers
    German companies see the greatest employment potential for refugees as unskilled workers. These are the results of a survey by the Ifo Institute published on Thursday
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    It is worth highlighting that 92 percent of survey participants cited a lack of language skills as a barrier to employment. 71 percent cited a lack of qualifications, while 59 percent mentioned labour law requirements and 32 percent reported the minimum wage as a constraint.
    http://www.cesifo-group.de/ifoHome/presse/Pressemitteilungen/Pressemitteilungen-Archiv/2015/Q4/press_20151126_sd22_fluechtlinge.html
  • fermynfermyn Posts: 2,766
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    A Dutch high court on Thursday upheld a government policy of withholding food and shelter to rejected asylum-seekers who refuse to be repatriated, giving legal backing to one of Europe's toughest immigration policies.

    The Raad van State or Council of State, which reviews the legality of government decisions, found that the new policy of conservative Prime Minister Mark Rutte does not contravene the European Convention on Human Rights.

    A rejected asylum seeker does not have the right to appeal to the European Social Charter, it said.

    The Dutch government "has the right, when providing shelter in so-called locations of limited freedom, to require failed asylum-seekers to cooperate with their departure from the Netherlands," a summary of the ruling said.



    http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/11/26/us-europe-migrants-netherlands-idUSKBN0TF0S920151126#Z5uPO0F24YsUzQs9.99
  • fermynfermyn Posts: 2,766
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    Germany’s economy minister has said the country’s minimum wage will not be lowered for migrants because of the refugee crisis.

    Senior economists had suggested that the 8.5-euro-an-hour wage be brought down for refugees whose qualifications don’t match European standards: the theory being that they would be able to find jobs more easily.

    But Sigmar Gabriel booted the idea into touch.

    “Doing that would send a signal, it would mean playing off the poor who come here against the poor who are already in the country. That is why we cannot accept these claims. Nothing will change over that matter, ladies and gentlemen,” the economy minister told parliament.

    A document said to have been leaked from Germany’s Federal Employment agency says more than 80 percent of migrants entering the country this year have no qualifications, contradicting claims that many are educated professionals who can contribute to the economy.

    The figures have been interpreted as suggesting that hundreds of thousands of migrants and refugees will go straight into unemployment benefits.


    http://www.euronews.com/2015/11/26/germany-won-t-lower-minimum-wage-for-migrants-says-economy-minister-gabriel/
  • wampa1wampa1 Posts: 2,997
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    The lorry drivers obviously know when (or at least suspect) that migrants have clambered aboard. Is there not an area for lorry drivers to go to for the police or whoever to give the vehicle a quick once over?
  • PedroPedro Posts: 9,911
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    EU to Deport Thousands of Pakistanis to Make Way for 'Legitimate' Migrants

    "The EU plans to accelerate the removal of tens of thousands of illegal Pakistani immigrants, in an attempt to make more room for the continuing exodus of people fleeing violence in the Middle East."

    http://sputniknews.com/europe/20151126/1030819495/eu-pakistanis-deportation-legitimate-migrants.html
  • fermynfermyn Posts: 2,766
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    wampa1 wrote: »
    The lorry drivers obviously know when (or at least suspect) that migrants have clambered aboard. Is there not an area for lorry drivers to go to for the police or whoever to give the vehicle a quick once over?

    If there isn't, there should be. And arrest and charge any found to have caused damage.
  • anne_666anne_666 Posts: 72,891
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    wampa1 wrote: »
    The lorry drivers obviously know when (or at least suspect) that migrants have clambered aboard. Is there not an area for lorry drivers to go to for the police or whoever to give the vehicle a quick once over?

    At the port itself yes, but it's not efficient at "busy" times..That's how concerned they really are. The only long term solution is to send them all straight back to Calais as soon as they're discovered in the UK and force the French to deal with what is their own problem and nothing to do with the UK. .
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-33267137
    The first official port barrier is a French security checkpoint where passports are scanned.
    Mr Fleming told the BBC lorries then move on to be either X-rayed or tested with a monitor which detects any heartbeats on board. He says all lorries are checked at quiet times, but it becomes a "lottery" when the port is busy because staff cannot process vehicles fast enough.
    Lorries then have documents checked by UK border staff and must also pass a customs checkpoint before driving on to a ferry.
    The port also has roving patrols of security guards with dogs and carbon dioxide detectors - which can detect raised levels caused by people breathing in the lorries.
  • PedroPedro Posts: 9,911
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    Is the European project falling apart?

    "An unwinding rarely has a start date. It settles in over time. It is an erosion, deceptive, slow at first, and then it is all around you; old certainties crumbling; the believer's glint dulled; the claim on destiny weakened."

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34940241

    Blimey!!! Very un-BBBC ......................
  • PedroPedro Posts: 9,911
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    Anatomy of a Crisis: Not all migrations are treated equal

    An Essay by Przemysław Roguski
    Europe is back in crisis mode. After the Eurozone debt crisis, the standoff with Russia over Ukraine and the third Greek bailout, Europe faces yet another challenge: hundreds of thousands of people streaming into the European Union in search of refuge, jobs and a better life. In what has now become a familiar pattern, we see calls to action, extraordinary summits and recriminations between member states, followed by more calls for unity etc. We also see the media hunting for the most powerful image to depict the crisis and finding it, depending on their views, in the tragic death of Aylan Kurdi, a Kurdish boy from Syria who drowned in the Aegean Sea on his way to Greece, or in the pictures of ungrateful refugees throwing away food distributed by the Hungarian authorities.

    http://www.neweasterneurope.eu/articles-and-commentary/1809-anatomy-of-a-crisis-not-all-migrations-are-treated-equal

    A fascinating analysis of the current crisis with some sensible advice for the "politicians" who seem unable to deal with it.
  • ElectraElectra Posts: 55,660
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    fermyn wrote: »
    Germany’s economy minister has said the country’s minimum wage will not be lowered for migrants because of the refugee crisis.

    Senior economists had suggested that the 8.5-euro-an-hour wage be brought down for refugees whose qualifications don’t match European standards: the theory being that they would be able to find jobs more easily.

    But Sigmar Gabriel booted the idea into touch.

    “Doing that would send a signal, it would mean playing off the poor who come here against the poor who are already in the country. That is why we cannot accept these claims. Nothing will change over that matter, ladies and gentlemen,” the economy minister told parliament.

    A document said to have been leaked from Germany’s Federal Employment agency says more than 80 percent of migrants entering the country this year have no qualifications, contradicting claims that many are educated professionals who can contribute to the economy.

    The figures have been interpreted as suggesting that hundreds of thousands of migrants and refugees will go straight into unemployment benefits.


    http://www.euronews.com/2015/11/26/germany-won-t-lower-minimum-wage-for-migrants-says-economy-minister-gabriel/

    Good decision. It's obvious why some wanted this & what would have happened had it been implemented.
  • anne_666anne_666 Posts: 72,891
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    Pedro wrote: »
    Is the European project falling apart?

    "An unwinding rarely has a start date. It settles in over time. It is an erosion, deceptive, slow at first, and then it is all around you; old certainties crumbling; the believer's glint dulled; the claim on destiny weakened."

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34940241

    Blimey!!! Very un-BBBC ......................

    Nationalistic need, greed and cruel exploitation, wasting vast amounts of money in Europe, making millions of people suffer where that money is needed as a result, autocratic decisions and demands, lack of cooperation and consultation between member states, lack of any real and functioning asylum policy, lack of functioning external border controls, endless weeks apart committee meetings to decide on anything at all etc etc etc. The list is endless. What could possibly go wrong.................

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/11337315/Of-all-the-EU-failures-its-policy-on-asylum-seekers-is-the-worst.html
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