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"One Hit and OUT!" Campaign

koantemplationkoantemplation Posts: 101,293
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It should be taught from an early age that if a partner or even a friend ever hits you, then that should be it and the relationship should be ended.

Of course no one should ever hit another person, but this is about making sure that any potential victims understand that they do not have to forgive or try to understand the other person, and that it really should be as simple as 'One hit and OUT!".
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    AneechikAneechik Posts: 20,208
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    That's a little too black and white.

    Domestic violence is a pattern of behaviour where one abuses the other and it's entirely possible for a couple to, for example, get drunk and have a fight that they're both involved in. That's not domestic abuse, it's just a shitty relationship and it doen't make either of them an abusive partner.
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    Pumping IronPumping Iron Posts: 29,891
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    I give my Mrs the odd dead leg.
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    stoatiestoatie Posts: 78,106
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    Not sure about friends in there, either. Some of my best friends I've known since school. If I was to cut them out because one of us had hit the other, I wouldn't have any mates I'd met before I was an adult.
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    stoatiestoatie Posts: 78,106
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    It would also mean Superman and Batman could never be friends again, which would pretty much kipper the Justice League.
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    solarflaresolarflare Posts: 22,383
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    From the title I thought this was some sort of England cricket review thread.
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    TrollHunterTrollHunter Posts: 12,496
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    Far too draconian for me. My wife gives me a punch if I break wind too close to her. I'm prepared to put up with a modicum of domestic violence if it means I can let out a cheeky Tommy-squeaker in the comfort of my sofa as opposed to the hassle of getting up and making a mad dash to the bathroom which I'd have to do otherwise.
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    Tony TigerTony Tiger Posts: 2,254
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    Aneechik wrote: »
    That's a little too black and white.
    A lot in my opinion. Treating serious, complex subjects in such a childish, simplistic fashion is never a good idea.
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    koantemplationkoantemplation Posts: 101,293
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    Aneechik wrote: »
    That's a little too black and white.

    Domestic violence is a pattern of behaviour where one abuses the other and it's entirely possible for a couple to, for example, get drunk and have a fight that they're both involved in. That's not domestic abuse, it's just a shitty relationship and it doen't make either of them an abusive partner.

    Is the campaign to stop abuse of NHS staff, black and white?

    Is the idea of zero tolerance wrong for someone you are supposed to love, but OK for someone who works with the public?

    It really does need to be this black and white.

    Also having a shitty relationship is not a good reason to allow someone to hit you just because they are drunk, if anything it is the reason for leaving someone.
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    tiacattiacat Posts: 22,521
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    What about where one partner has a mental health problem which causes them to lash out, including (although its not a MH issue) alzheimers, or severe PMT?

    Often where people have had accidents and suffered brain damage, they can become violent.
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    annette kurtenannette kurten Posts: 39,543
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    relationships work on a different level, there`s too much emotion involved to make it that simple.
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    stoatiestoatie Posts: 78,106
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    Tony Tiger wrote: »
    A lot in my opinion. Treating serious, complex subjects in such a childish, simplistic fashion is never a good idea.

    Agreed 100%. However, that's kind of what tends to happen here...
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 4,910
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    Sometimes you could be married to someone for 20 years, no violence. One day you behave like a total idiot, push push push, your partner snaps and hits you. Never hit you before and only lashed out when provoked. Should the 20 year violence free marriage end over this one off occasion???
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    anne_666anne_666 Posts: 72,891
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    It should be taught from an early age that if a partner or even a friend ever hits you, then that should be it and the relationship should be ended.

    Of course no one should ever hit another person, but this is about making sure that any potential victims understand that they do not have to forgive or try to understand the other person, and that it really should be as simple as 'One hit and OUT!".

    Sorry but that's too simplistic.
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    koantemplationkoantemplation Posts: 101,293
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    pjw1985 wrote: »
    Sometimes you could be married to someone for 20 years, no violence. One day you behave like a total idiot, push push push, your partner snaps and hits you. Never hit you before and only lashed out when provoked. Should the 20 year violence free marriage end over this one off occasion???

    No one should hit another person just because 'they are behaving like a total idiot'.

    If you apply the 'One hit' rule then yes the marriage should end as the person has hit them.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 4,129
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    Is the campaign to stop abuse of NHS staff, black and white?

    Is the idea of zero tolerance wrong for someone you are supposed to love, but OK for someone who works with the public?

    It really does need to be this black and white.

    Also having a shitty relationship is not a good reason to allow someone to hit you just because they are drunk, if anything it is the reason for leaving someone.

    It requires proof - how easy would it be for a partner to get married - give themselves a black eye - get the other person put of the house and have a house easily and cheaply.

    I know a man who has been on the receiving end - he left the house - and even after it was shown he had a) not hit her and b) she'd been abusing him he is still lodging with a friend...luckily, the marriage was so short there'll be no financial loss to him and he has come out of it with his head held high and her digging more holes for herself than a Council workman.
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    koantemplationkoantemplation Posts: 101,293
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    anne_666 wrote: »
    Sorry but that's too simplistic.

    Is zero tolerance against violence against NHS staff, simplistic?

    Or would you argue against that idea as well?
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 4,910
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    No one should hit another person just because 'they are behaving like a total idiot'.

    If you apply the 'One hit' rule then yes the marriage should end as the person has hit them.

    It must be a nice life in fairy land

    la la la la....
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    Tony TigerTony Tiger Posts: 2,254
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    Is zero tolerance against violence against NHS staff, simplistic?

    Or would you argue against that idea as well?
    The comparison itself is bloody simplistic.
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    koantemplationkoantemplation Posts: 101,293
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    alfster wrote: »
    It requires proof - how easy would it be for a partner to get married - give themselves a black eye - get the other person put of the house and have a house easily and cheaply.

    The rule is for the person who has been hit, not for the law.

    If everyone said to themselves, "The first time someone hits me, is the last time." then hopefully things would never get worse.

    As people say, it is a pattern, and the best way to stop a pattern, is not to start one.
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    tim59tim59 Posts: 47,188
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    No one should hit another person just because 'they are behaving like a total idiot'.

    If you apply the 'One hit' rule then yes the marriage should end as the person has hit them.

    Ask any domestic violence worker if its as black and white as you see it. And because i know someone who works in this field i can tell you its not.
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    koantemplationkoantemplation Posts: 101,293
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    tim59 wrote: »
    Ask any domestic violence worker if its as black and white as you see it. And because i know someone who works in this field i can tell you its not.

    So we don't do anything?

    It is just a guideline to live by, not something people have to do.

    Like most guidelines, it is about defining a border. Whether people cross that border is up to them but at least they know it is there.

    Like the 'No means No' campaign.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 4,910
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    So we don't do anything?

    It is just a guideline to live by, not something people have to do.

    Like most guidelines, it is about defining a border. Whether people cross that border is up to them but at least they know it is there.

    Like the 'No means No' campaign.

    You said the first time someone hits you you should cut them out. The point is there is hitting someone every single day because you're abusive and then there's hitting someone once for any number of reasons. It's not right to hit someone but sometimes it happens, there are reasons it can happen. If we all lived by a 'one strike and you're out' rule the whole world would be cutting each other out
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    tim59tim59 Posts: 47,188
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    So we don't do anything?

    It is just a guideline to live by, not something people have to do.

    Like most guidelines, it is about defining a border. Whether people cross that border is up to them but at least they know it is there.

    Like the 'No means No' campaign.

    And what do you do if the person being abused does not want to leave the abuser.
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    koantemplationkoantemplation Posts: 101,293
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    There is a safety campaign on the local news at the moment about stopping people from swimming in quarry ponds.

    Their moto "Stay safe, stay OUT".

    Are they being too black and white?
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 4,910
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    There is a safety campaign on the local news at the moment about stopping people from swimming in quarry ponds.

    Their moto "Stay safe, stay OUT".

    Are they being too black and white?

    LOL what are you smoking? can i have some? :D
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