The reason that Wainwright wasn't writhing if alive or slumped if dead is simple - it's a television show.
It's exactly the same reason why the villains don't kill Bond instantly instead of putting him through a preposterous ordeal. It's all to build tension and suspense. We are supposed to believe that Red John was in the back of that car. Now, if he had been slumped forwards or writhing around, we'd all blatantly know that either it wasn't Red John, or someone had let a raccoon loose down his pants. Either way it would have been utterly ridiculous. This is just one of those cases where you have to suspend reality a little bit instead of looking for holes in the plot.
Great finale, loved the twists. Upset for Jane when Loreli revealed herself but should have known as she was wearing red in the casino when they first spoke. Hope to see Jane & Lisbons relationship progress next season but Jane knows it would put her at risk so unless they catch RJ, it'll never happen.
Cho's character has great comic potential and timing and I still think there's mileage in his relationships with Summer.
Rigsby's relationship and partners character hasn't been developed despite his baby. Where's that going? Gonna miss the show, looking forward to the new season.
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The way Jane smiled when Lorelei left his room made me think he'd known all along that she was a plant, and that he'd only been acting surprised.
Agree with you about Cho and Rigsby's stories - they were introduced then pushed to one side - they should have been developed more.
I thought it was a great episode and i did enjoy it, but i did find it to be a strange episode serving as the season finale. Even the way the episode ended was unusual, it just left me thinking is that it?! I felt like it needed an extra 5mins for there to be a proper conclusion to the episode. It could have been better than what it was. The season 3 finale is still the best of them all. I have to say i've never seen a season finale that's set 6 months after the previous episode. I understand why it was done but it was unsual that we were just told hey by the way it's now been six months since Jane was fired. I felt like they could have led up to that moment with an episode or two in between.
I liked the introduction of Lorelei (seriously fit! Lucky Jane! ) but alarm bells started ringing with her first scene with Patrick when she wore all RED! When she slept with Patrick and revealed the next morning she was one of RJ's disciples i wasn't at all surprised. I was really hoping she wouldn't be, but you know it wasn't a surprise.
The thing that did shock me was Wainwright in the back of limosine. I knew RJ was never going to be in the car, it was too easy but when i saw him it looked pretty clear he had been kidnapped and placed in the back of the limosine. I'm not really sure what purpose it serves killing Wainwright off, i would have preferred if they had handled that completely differently. I liked Wainwright and would have liked to still have seen him in season 5, especially with the face-off Wainwright and Jane had had in the previous episode. Would have been interesting to see the dynamic between those two followed up in the next season.
We were given a new piece of info that RJ has a mole working in the FBI so hope that comes to play next season. So am i right in thinking now that anyone who becomes the CBI boss of Lisbon and her team will always come to some kind end in the season finales of The Mentalist?
I think Season 3 is still my favourite because there was the ongoing arcs of Jane isolating himself from the team, the hunt for the mole, Hightower's exit etc. There was a fantastic build-up throughout the season and then the amazing finale was the icing on the cake!
I agree, that was a standout season. But this season also had many standout episodes littered throughout and none of them were filler, although natrually some most certainly were. There was definetely a lack of some kind of arc this season.
The reason that Wainwright wasn't writhing if alive or slumped if dead is simple - it's a television show.
It's exactly the same reason why the villains don't kill Bond instantly instead of putting him through a preposterous ordeal. It's all to build tension and suspense. We are supposed to believe that Red John was in the back of that car. Now, if he had been slumped forwards or writhing around, we'd all blatantly know that either it wasn't Red John, or someone had let a raccoon loose down his pants. Either way it would have been utterly ridiculous. This is just one of those cases where you have to suspend reality a little bit instead of looking for holes in the plot.
YES, well said! Ooh, I need a thumbs up smiley but there isn't one
Unfortunately, this message is now on Channel 5's FAQ page:
"Series 4 of The Mentalist concluded on Friday 1st June. We do not currently have the rights to Series 5, but should this change details will be posted here."
Season 4 premiered on 22nd September, so it will be around that time (on Sundays instead of Thursdays). They'll start filming around the end of July.
Is anyone else worried the US network has moved The Mentalist to Sunday nights instead of it remaining at its regular Thursday night slot where it's always been a success for them.
It seems like they're dumping it away, god knows why when it's been such a successful show. Do a lot of people watch tv on Sunday nights in the States?
Is anyone else worried the US network has moved The Mentalist to Sunday nights instead of it remaining at its regular Thursday night slot where it's always been a success for them.
I suspect Warner were a bit concerned, which is probably why CBS tried to reassure them by agreeing a 2 season pick-up.
I think Sunday night is known to be a difficult slot, so CBS probably wanted to put a strong show there, with a loyal audience most of whom will follow the show wherever it goes. Also, Sunday night is not so bad for what we could call the 'more mature' demographic, and perhaps they thought 'The Mentalist' audience would strengthen 'The Good Wife' audience which stays in its slot of Sunday 9pm.
I suspect Warner were a bit concerned, which is probably why CBS tried to reassure them by agreeing a 2 season pick-up.
I think Sunday night is known to be a difficult slot, so CBS probably wanted to put a strong show there, with a loyal audience most of whom will follow the show wherever it goes. Also, Sunday night is not so bad for what we could call the 'more mature' demographic, and perhaps they thought 'The Mentalist' audience would strengthen 'The Good Wife' audience which stays in its slot of Sunday 9pm.
I also hope it's not a sign of doubt from the network and the beginning of the end. Although I would follow The Mentalist whenever it went so hopefully America will too.
I don't get this idea of using a good show to lead into a bad show to improve the ratings (I see it mentioned on ratings roundups here as well). I wouldn't watch Big Brother even if you preceeded it with the Mentalist, Doctor Who, NCIS, Merlin and Castle (although I would be in TV heaven for about 5 hours )
I visited LA last August and did the studio tour and got walked round the Mentalist set. Brilliant!They must have been filming the start of the last series then.
Filming secret - the one-way mirror in the interview room actually isn't! It's clear glass when viewed from the other room and swapped for a mirrored pane when seen during an interview.
I wonder if Darcy is the informant in the FBI? She always seems to have a habit of sticking her nose in where it is not wanted.
I think so. The last time we saw Wainwright - before that final scene in the car - was as he was leaving the office, if I remember correctly? Was Darcy with him? Someone must have told RJ where to find him / handed him over to RJ. Maybe he was close to working out that Darcy was involved with RJ and she needed rid of him.....
Couple of things from the final scene with Lorelei:
- When Lisbon mentioned about RJ, Lorelei responded with "We were lovers..." as if she is speaking about RJ, before we realise she actually means Patrick. Why answer a steatement about RJ with a statement about Patrick? (Needless to say, the "Patrick is RJ" crowd over on IMDB are having a field day with it!)
- The kiss Patrick gave her on the forehead when he said that she would talk. I can't help but think there's hypnosis of some sort involved there - it's like the 'signals' (like tapping someone on the shoulder) that Jane uses to bring people in / out of a hypnotic state.....
I couldn't even tell if the RJ voice was male or female. Wouldn't Jane have recognised the voice if he's met him before? Or been able to tell the voice was jut over a mobile phone speaker?
The voice was Simon Baker's!!! Someone on another website ran the voice through some computer software to lower the tone of it slightly and it's obviously Simon Baker's voice. They put a link to it at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4X_LREb5j-M
I think this is another one of the writers' ways of messing with us, though - the last time we heard "RJ's" voice they ran it through the same software and it was Amanda Righetti's (van Pelt) voice!!
The voice was Simon Baker's!!! Someone on another website ran the voice through some computer software to lower the tone of it slightly and it's obviously Simon Baker's voice. They put a link to it at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4X_LREb5j-M
That is hilarious! It sounds awfully like Baker who is voicing RJ's dialogue which in itself is no big deal as we know Jane isn't RJ so it's just possibly the writers having a laugh with us. They've got a sense of humour i'll give them that! I do wonder when RJ is finally revealed which actor they'll bring on board to portray him.
the writers having a laugh with us. They've got a sense of humour i'll give them that! I do wonder when RJ is finally revealed which actor they'll bring on board to portray him.
yeah, I don't think they have any idea who RJ is. There is no progression on RJ in this show, only red herrings. They could contrive it to be one of the characters we know already but I think they're more likely just going to bring in a new character to be RJ when the show eventually gets an end date.
Bruno Heller pretty much said in a recent interview that RJ is someone we have already seen:
Will you cast Red John next season?
Will I cast him? He might already have been cast. You might already have seen him.
So chances are when Red John is revealed, it will be somebody we already know rather than a “tah-dah” walking-out-of-the-fog moment.
Yes, it would be very disappointing if we did that and it was Nigel Lythgoe or something.
The other person the voice on the phone (even if it was Simon Baker doing it!) reminded me of is Zeljko Ivanec, who has been in a couple of episodes (the Pilot, and then one in series 3) as Dr Linus Wagner, the psychiatrist. Not sure that he's RJ, but there was a great exchange between him and Jane in the very first episode:
Dr. Linus Wagner: Why is it you can't sleep?
Patrick Jane: Because I can't get the good pills without talking to a doctor.
Dr. Linus Wagner: And you don't like talking to doctors.
Patrick Jane: Well, you know. The always want to be the smartest person in the room, don't they? When in fact that's me, obviously.
I wouldn't be surprised if he pops up again this series... Bruno Heller has said this series he's going to really play with viewers' heads trying to work out who RJ is, and have them constantly thinking "Is that him!?" - I think they could make Dr Wagner into a RJ suspect very easily if they brought him back in...
The Season 1 finale began with that eerie scene where Red John used a skywriter to leave a smiley face in the sky. We also met Rosalind Harker for the first time and the episode ended with Jane shooting Red John's friend (that they'd just captured) when he tried to shoot Lisbon. The season 2 finale involved Kristina Frye (whom I never liked and I'm still sure she's involved with Red John somehow) and Jane had an encounter with Red John himself.
Overall season 4 was good but like the latter half of season 2, some episodes were a bit too "filler" and weren't that memorable. I think Season 3 is still my favourite because there was the ongoing arcs of Jane isolating himself from the team, the hunt for the mole, Hightower's exit etc. There was a fantastic build-up throughout the season and then the amazing finale was the icing on the cake!
BIB - totally agree with that. Unfortunately for me, I found Season 4 totally dire and I couldn't get past the flimsy way they backtracked on Jane killing RJ in Season 3. The Patrick we had seen up to that point completely shied away from guns and violence, and it was clear the only person he would reserve that for would be RJ himself. To try and justify that killing by making Patrick's victim a random evil monster just didn't cut it for me. Patrick had seen countless amounts of these in his time with the CBI yet shown no inclination for approving of them being murdered. For me, this killed the show.
I am also weary of the formulaic "CBI team chasing the wrong guy" while infallible Patrick rocks up and makes them all look like idiots and Lisbon tut-tuts and clucks after him the same as ever. They even admitted in the last episode that the case closure rate had dropped dramatically because Jane had left (of course!).
Van Pelt has probably had the most character development with her having to gun down her fiance and consequently toughening up from the wide-eyed young agent we first knew, but the others seem to be at a standstill. Cho's presecription drug addiction seemed to last for 5 minutes, so was barely worth exploring. I know the series is called 'The Mentalist' and this formula is supposed to illustrate how brilliant the main character is, but I think the team could still be strong without having to make the rest of them look incompetent.
I usually enjoy the RJ episodes, but these last two seemed to fall flatter than previous ones, as it seemed clear early on that Jane suspected correctly exactly what was going on. The previous RJ episodes have been so successful because the infallible Jane has so often been blindsided by his nemesis and we got to see how he reacted to that. Fair enough, they have to demonstrate progression by showing Jane starting to play RJ at his own mindgames, but it didn't work for me.
Good to see many of you are still enjoying it though.
Yeah, I agree with much of that. RJ needs progression, especially after the regression of the season four openning episode. Hopefully the introduction of Loreli will provide this. I really hope this season sees us learning at least who RJ is, even if they don't catch him this season. I don't know any more about RJ now that I did a few episodes into season one.
Although I do fear I'll be saying the same thing as we approach season nine...
Here are some spoilers for Season 5. It sounds promising to me.
We will seen the introduction of 3 FBI Agents. The season-ending shoot-out has left a big multi-jurisdictional mess to be mopped up. Among the new recurring G-people are a handsome “good guy” named Gabe, a “ferocious alpha female” named Alexa and quiet lunk named Reede.
Jane's teenage daughter will feature in episode 2. Heller calls the hour “a big episode, a wonderful episode,” but for story reasons declines to say whether we’ll meet the girl in a dream, flashback or some other context. “That’s the whole nub of the episode,” he teases.
Rigsby's father will appear in episode 4. “Rigsby’s had a very conflicted and difficult relationship with his dad, for obvious reasons,” explains Heller. “That comes to an epic head in Episode 4. That’s going to be a big episode for Rigsby and [actor] Owain Yeoman.”
Summer will return in episode 10. She’ll place Tim Kang’s Cho in “a very difficult situation,” Heller says.
Malcolm McDowell will make a “brief, but sensational” cameo as Brett Stiles, the leader of the Visualize Self-Realization Center church.
Also returning to the show are Gregory Itzin as Supervising Agent Virgil Minelli, Michael Gaston as Director of CBI Gale Bertram and Pruitt Taylor Vince as Special Agent/Supervising Agent J.J. LaRoche.
Cho becomes the leader of the CBI SWAT team! "Of all our guys, he's the one to go in first and kick in the door and to actually get physical with people," executive producer Bruno Heller tells us. But his promotion may come with a price. "When you have a hammer in your hand, every problem looks like a nail," Heller warns. "Being addicted to thrills is a very dangerous road to go down in the long run because you have to keep upping the ante."
Jane’s declaration of love to Lisbon will play a big part in the year ahead, when she’ll run into “complications in her feelings for Jane as the season rolls on,” says executive producer Bruno Heller. “Lisbon is not so much revealing feelings for Jane, but she’s discovering feelings for Jane.” But the senior special agent better hurry up, because she may have competition in Lorelai, Red John’s agent (Entourage’s Emmanuelle Chriqui), whom he must seduce in order to obtain information.
Now that Jane's ex Lorelei is in custody for her connection to Red John, Jane is in a bit of a sticky situation. "She has Red John's name on the tip of her tongue, so Jane will do anything to seduce her to his side of the struggle," creator Bruno Heller tells us. Naturally, Lisbon is going to take notice of the feelings Jane and Lorelei still share. "It's not exactly a love triangle... but it does make office life complicated," Heller says. "How much of that attraction is real and how much of that is Jane being manipulative?"
“I can’t say that we’re going to catch Red John in the middle of the season,” continues the EP, “but those who are following that story are going to get a huge leap forward in terms of what we know about him and where we’re going.” Meanwhile, the aforementioned serial killer won’t sit idly by. Since Lorelei’s capture by the CBI team wasn’t really in his plans, expect the mysterious figure to retaliate and dispense more secret agents. “When you first meet these guys, they might be good guys, they might be bad guys,” says Heller. “We have a few people returning, and we have some great new characters coming in who may or may not be Red John’s friends.”
“Lisbon, apart from having to deal with Jane and Lorelei, in the middle of the season sets off on her own journey of vengeance and redemption. That’s a three- or four-episode arc in which she needs to catch her own Lisbon version of Red John, and that’s going to be fun.”
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It's exactly the same reason why the villains don't kill Bond instantly instead of putting him through a preposterous ordeal. It's all to build tension and suspense. We are supposed to believe that Red John was in the back of that car. Now, if he had been slumped forwards or writhing around, we'd all blatantly know that either it wasn't Red John, or someone had let a raccoon loose down his pants. Either way it would have been utterly ridiculous. This is just one of those cases where you have to suspend reality a little bit instead of looking for holes in the plot.
The way Jane smiled when Lorelei left his room made me think he'd known all along that she was a plant, and that he'd only been acting surprised.
Agree with you about Cho and Rigsby's stories - they were introduced then pushed to one side - they should have been developed more.
I liked the introduction of Lorelei (seriously fit! Lucky Jane!
The thing that did shock me was Wainwright in the back of limosine. I knew RJ was never going to be in the car, it was too easy but when i saw him it looked pretty clear he had been kidnapped and placed in the back of the limosine. I'm not really sure what purpose it serves killing Wainwright off, i would have preferred if they had handled that completely differently. I liked Wainwright and would have liked to still have seen him in season 5, especially with the face-off Wainwright and Jane had had in the previous episode. Would have been interesting to see the dynamic between those two followed up in the next season.
We were given a new piece of info that RJ has a mole working in the FBI so hope that comes to play next season. So am i right in thinking now that anyone who becomes the CBI boss of Lisbon and her team will always come to some kind end in the season finales of The Mentalist?
I agree, that was a standout season. But this season also had many standout episodes littered throughout and none of them were filler, although natrually some most certainly were. There was definetely a lack of some kind of arc this season.
I did think at the time it looked like his skinny profile (or should that be silhouette?) but decided that was just a red herring.
"Series 4 of The Mentalist concluded on Friday 1st June. We do not currently have the rights to Series 5, but should this change details will be posted here."
Is anyone else worried the US network has moved The Mentalist to Sunday nights instead of it remaining at its regular Thursday night slot where it's always been a success for them.
It seems like they're dumping it away, god knows why when it's been such a successful show. Do a lot of people watch tv on Sunday nights in the States?
I think Sunday night is known to be a difficult slot, so CBS probably wanted to put a strong show there, with a loyal audience most of whom will follow the show wherever it goes. Also, Sunday night is not so bad for what we could call the 'more mature' demographic, and perhaps they thought 'The Mentalist' audience would strengthen 'The Good Wife' audience which stays in its slot of Sunday 9pm.
I also hope it's not a sign of doubt from the network and the beginning of the end. Although I would follow The Mentalist whenever it went so hopefully America will too.
I don't get this idea of using a good show to lead into a bad show to improve the ratings (I see it mentioned on ratings roundups here as well). I wouldn't watch Big Brother even if you preceeded it with the Mentalist, Doctor Who, NCIS, Merlin and Castle (although I would be in TV heaven for about 5 hours
Filming secret - the one-way mirror in the interview room actually isn't! It's clear glass when viewed from the other room and swapped for a mirrored pane when seen during an interview.
I think so. The last time we saw Wainwright - before that final scene in the car - was as he was leaving the office, if I remember correctly? Was Darcy with him? Someone must have told RJ where to find him / handed him over to RJ. Maybe he was close to working out that Darcy was involved with RJ and she needed rid of him.....
Couple of things from the final scene with Lorelei:
- When Lisbon mentioned about RJ, Lorelei responded with "We were lovers..." as if she is speaking about RJ, before we realise she actually means Patrick. Why answer a steatement about RJ with a statement about Patrick? (Needless to say, the "Patrick is RJ" crowd over on IMDB are having a field day with it!)
- The kiss Patrick gave her on the forehead when he said that she would talk. I can't help but think there's hypnosis of some sort involved there - it's like the 'signals' (like tapping someone on the shoulder) that Jane uses to bring people in / out of a hypnotic state.....
The voice was Simon Baker's!!! Someone on another website ran the voice through some computer software to lower the tone of it slightly and it's obviously Simon Baker's voice. They put a link to it at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4X_LREb5j-M
I think this is another one of the writers' ways of messing with us, though - the last time we heard "RJ's" voice they ran it through the same software and it was Amanda Righetti's (van Pelt) voice!!
That is hilarious!
yeah, I don't think they have any idea who RJ is. There is no progression on RJ in this show, only red herrings. They could contrive it to be one of the characters we know already but I think they're more likely just going to bring in a new character to be RJ when the show eventually gets an end date.
The other person the voice on the phone (even if it was Simon Baker doing it!) reminded me of is Zeljko Ivanec, who has been in a couple of episodes (the Pilot, and then one in series 3) as Dr Linus Wagner, the psychiatrist. Not sure that he's RJ, but there was a great exchange between him and Jane in the very first episode:
I wouldn't be surprised if he pops up again this series... Bruno Heller has said this series he's going to really play with viewers' heads trying to work out who RJ is, and have them constantly thinking "Is that him!?" - I think they could make Dr Wagner into a RJ suspect very easily if they brought him back in...
Ch5 have the rights to Season 5 and will be showing it later this year.
BIB - totally agree with that. Unfortunately for me, I found Season 4 totally dire and I couldn't get past the flimsy way they backtracked on Jane killing RJ in Season 3. The Patrick we had seen up to that point completely shied away from guns and violence, and it was clear the only person he would reserve that for would be RJ himself. To try and justify that killing by making Patrick's victim a random evil monster just didn't cut it for me. Patrick had seen countless amounts of these in his time with the CBI yet shown no inclination for approving of them being murdered. For me, this killed the show.
I am also weary of the formulaic "CBI team chasing the wrong guy" while infallible Patrick rocks up and makes them all look like idiots and Lisbon tut-tuts and clucks after him the same as ever. They even admitted in the last episode that the case closure rate had dropped dramatically because Jane had left (of course!).
Van Pelt has probably had the most character development with her having to gun down her fiance and consequently toughening up from the wide-eyed young agent we first knew, but the others seem to be at a standstill. Cho's presecription drug addiction seemed to last for 5 minutes, so was barely worth exploring. I know the series is called 'The Mentalist' and this formula is supposed to illustrate how brilliant the main character is, but I think the team could still be strong without having to make the rest of them look incompetent.
I usually enjoy the RJ episodes, but these last two seemed to fall flatter than previous ones, as it seemed clear early on that Jane suspected correctly exactly what was going on. The previous RJ episodes have been so successful because the infallible Jane has so often been blindsided by his nemesis and we got to see how he reacted to that. Fair enough, they have to demonstrate progression by showing Jane starting to play RJ at his own mindgames, but it didn't work for me.
Good to see many of you are still enjoying it though.
Although I do fear I'll be saying the same thing as we approach season nine...
Jane's teenage daughter will feature in episode 2. Heller calls the hour “a big episode, a wonderful episode,” but for story reasons declines to say whether we’ll meet the girl in a dream, flashback or some other context. “That’s the whole nub of the episode,” he teases.
Rigsby's father will appear in episode 4. “Rigsby’s had a very conflicted and difficult relationship with his dad, for obvious reasons,” explains Heller. “That comes to an epic head in Episode 4. That’s going to be a big episode for Rigsby and [actor] Owain Yeoman.”
Summer will return in episode 10. She’ll place Tim Kang’s Cho in “a very difficult situation,” Heller says.
Malcolm McDowell will make a “brief, but sensational” cameo as Brett Stiles, the leader of the Visualize Self-Realization Center church.
Also returning to the show are Gregory Itzin as Supervising Agent Virgil Minelli, Michael Gaston as Director of CBI Gale Bertram and Pruitt Taylor Vince as Special Agent/Supervising Agent J.J. LaRoche.
Cho becomes the leader of the CBI SWAT team! "Of all our guys, he's the one to go in first and kick in the door and to actually get physical with people," executive producer Bruno Heller tells us. But his promotion may come with a price. "When you have a hammer in your hand, every problem looks like a nail," Heller warns. "Being addicted to thrills is a very dangerous road to go down in the long run because you have to keep upping the ante."
Jane’s declaration of love to Lisbon will play a big part in the year ahead, when she’ll run into “complications in her feelings for Jane as the season rolls on,” says executive producer Bruno Heller. “Lisbon is not so much revealing feelings for Jane, but she’s discovering feelings for Jane.” But the senior special agent better hurry up, because she may have competition in Lorelai, Red John’s agent (Entourage’s Emmanuelle Chriqui), whom he must seduce in order to obtain information.
Now that Jane's ex Lorelei is in custody for her connection to Red John, Jane is in a bit of a sticky situation. "She has Red John's name on the tip of her tongue, so Jane will do anything to seduce her to his side of the struggle," creator Bruno Heller tells us. Naturally, Lisbon is going to take notice of the feelings Jane and Lorelei still share. "It's not exactly a love triangle... but it does make office life complicated," Heller says. "How much of that attraction is real and how much of that is Jane being manipulative?"
“I can’t say that we’re going to catch Red John in the middle of the season,” continues the EP, “but those who are following that story are going to get a huge leap forward in terms of what we know about him and where we’re going.” Meanwhile, the aforementioned serial killer won’t sit idly by. Since Lorelei’s capture by the CBI team wasn’t really in his plans, expect the mysterious figure to retaliate and dispense more secret agents. “When you first meet these guys, they might be good guys, they might be bad guys,” says Heller. “We have a few people returning, and we have some great new characters coming in who may or may not be Red John’s friends.”
“Lisbon, apart from having to deal with Jane and Lorelei, in the middle of the season sets off on her own journey of vengeance and redemption. That’s a three- or four-episode arc in which she needs to catch her own Lisbon version of Red John, and that’s going to be fun.”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-VSTUl7q04&feature=player_embedded#!