She probably wanted help from the mental health specialists but the only way to get it these days is to be convincingly suicidal.
Maybe she had or hadn't threatened suicide before and been "rescued" in time, in this instance that didn't happen.
In one respect I would say a little selfish to those around to do it so publicly , but then I would assume the poor woman must have had some severe mental issues to have taken her life this way, what a shame no one was able to help her before she resorted to this .
How can you say she's a 'little selfish' but then acknowledge that she must have had severe mental issues at the time? Doesn't 'selfishness' mean some kind of presence of mind in the first place? Imo, nobody 'in their right mind' would do such a thing. For one thing, killing yourself by slashing your own neck is probably one of the most painful ways to commit suicide.
She may not even have been suicidal but in a psychotic state. Maybe she was delusional? Some people do injure themselves not to die or self-harm, but because they're psychotic.
And I want to echo another poster who said the real anger should be directed at the terrible state of the mental health system at the moment.
It's well known that people who are suicidal don't think of others because that's the nature of the illness, full stop. They think they're no use to anyone and nobody will miss them, and that anyone who sees their body or sees how they do it will only be glad they've done it because they're so useless etc. So yes, I agree it's bloody terrible for anyone who sees it and yes, they'll probably need therapy, but to call the act selfish is like calling a fish stupid for not being air-breathing.
people who commit suicide dont all think the same, as u seemed to suggest. They do it from a variety of reasons. But yes. I definitely agree with the rest of what you said.
people who commit suicide dont all think the same, as u seemed to suggest. They do it from a variety of reasons. But yes. I definitely agree with the rest of what you said.
Yes, reading my post back, I did suggest everyone felt the same. I suppose I should have said "everyone I've come across who felt that way" or something. Point taken, and sorry.
SUch as having to spend a small fortune on paracetamol an only buying two packets at a time incase I go out the shop and try to overdose on them. Before this nanny state law came into being it was possible to pick up a drum of 1000 for just a few quid.
There has been a 40% decrease in deaths resulting form paracetamol overdose since limits on pack sizes were introduced.
There has been a 40% decrease in deaths resulting form paracetamol overdose since limits on pack sizes were introduced.
The 40% figure doesn't tell me a lot. I'd be more interested I the raw figures. In a democracy (you may have heard of the concept) laws are normally passed with, rather than despite the wishes of the (preferably informed) majority.
Passing laws because of the actions of one or two individuals without consulting the electorate is not what our political masters should be doing. A woman was killed in Brighton and it turned out her boyfriend had been watching violent porn: so violent porn was banned. Compare that kneejerk legislation with the States. Various statistics have shown that guns are the most common method of committing suicide. Are they banned? No. Why, because America still at least pays some lip service to the democratic process.
I do not want my freedoms curtailed because of the actions of a very small minority thank you.
I think we really need to direct more blame to the mental health services in this country, than we do to people who commit suicide. Not enough is done to help people who are struggling with their mental health, and people frequently spend months and months on waiting lists just to see counselors.
I think the blame should be directed at the politicians who have consistently left mental health services over-stretched and under-resourced for years on end.
The emphasis on "evidence based medicine" and performance indicators mitigates against MH services, because successful MH care usually means something doesn't happen, rather than something does, and you can't measure a negative. It's easy to assess shorter waiting lists and improved cancer recovery rates, but you can't count the number of people who didn't cut their own throats in Asda.
Just before Christmas, a mental health team in Sussex was trying to find a bed in an acute unit for a schizophrenic who was very ill. The nearest NHS unit with a vacant bed was in Glasgow.
The 40% figure doesn't tell me a lot. I'd be more interested I the raw figures. In a democracy (you may have heard of the concept) laws are normally passed with, rather than despite the wishes of the (preferably informed) majority.
Passing laws because of the actions of one or two individuals without consulting the electorate is not what our political masters should be doing. A woman was killed in Brighton and it turned out her boyfriend had been watching violent porn: so violent porn was banned. Compare that kneejerk legislation with the States. Various statistics have shown that guns are the most common method of committing suicide. Are they banned? No. Why, because America still at least pays some lip service to the democratic process.
I do not want my freedoms curtailed because of the actions of a very small minority thank you.
Your freedoms as you put it are curtailed every day by lots of differant rules and laws and are done for the common good of alot of people, if we did not have speeding laws then most people would be driving at the speed they want too, and i think when you look at the milllions of speeding tickets handed out every year, that should tell you something.
Really? Personally I find what she's done incredibly inconsiderate and selfish. What about all the people who she's traumatised who may as a result need months or even years of therapy after seeing such a horrific event. That staff member may need many weeks off work with sleepless nights and endless flashbacks that will no doubt haunt him for the rest of his life. He may never get over seeing such a terrible thing.
People who do things like this are incredibly selfish of other people and the trauma and mess and emotional turmoil they leave for others to deal with. I agree that it's sad she wanted to end her life but I'm sure if that was her intention then there were other ways she could have gone about it without doing it in front of other people, staff, shoppers with perhaps young children etc
I agree with what you have just typed. I worked with a woman whose husband killed himself. He had lost his job and seemed upbeat about it all but he was just putting on a brave face. She would go home at lunchtime to prepare him a meal to eat. One day she arrived home to see a note on the front door telling her to use the back door. Thinking he had cleaned the floor in the hall she did so. When she entered the hall he had hanged himself there ... she never got over it.
My partner's father shot himself in the kitchen of the family home, while his wife was out shopping. She came home to find him slumped on the floor.
She's a remarkable woman, and has borne it very well.
Note to self- if ever in a position where suicide seems like the only option left, try to do it in such a way as to inconvenience the maximum possible number of the compassionless.
Now there's a topic for another thread!
I'd go for blowing myself up in The Wizard's front room.
Well unfortunately it's probably true. Every time some idiot does something stupid we end up with a flood of health and safety legislation to prevent it from happening again all because of one foolish person who did something thoughtless or irresponsible. Even though 99% of society is capable of being sensible and applying common sense this still doesn't stop the powers that be from treating us all like children who need to be wrapped in cotton wool all because of one person who can't be trusted.
I think the blame should be directed at the politicians who have consistently left mental health services over-stretched and under-resourced for years on end.
The emphasis on "evidence based medicine" and performance indicators mitigates against MH services, because successful MH care usually means something doesn't happen, rather than something does, and you can't measure a negative. It's easy to assess shorter waiting lists and improved cancer recovery rates, but you can't count the number of people who didn't cut their own throats in Asda.
Just before Christmas, a mental health team in Sussex was trying to find a bed in an acute unit for a schizophrenic who was very ill. The nearest NHS unit with a vacant bed was in Glasgow.
Feelings won't bring the person back and besides, neither you nor I know the person, anything about the person or state of mind at the time and she'll probably be forgotten come tomorrow which is why my feelings go towards those directly affected by the suicide, they're going to have to live with it for the rest of their lives.
So your feelings don't extend to someone you don't know yet they do to people you don't know.
I think the blame should be directed at the politicians who have consistently left mental health services over-stretched and under-resourced for years on end.
The emphasis on "evidence based medicine" and performance indicators mitigates against MH services, because successful MH care usually means something doesn't happen, rather than something does, and you can't measure a negative. It's easy to assess shorter waiting lists and improved cancer recovery rates, but you can't count the number of people who didn't cut their own throats in Asda.
Just before Christmas, a mental health team in Sussex was trying to find a bed in an acute unit for a schizophrenic who was very ill. The nearest NHS unit with a vacant bed was in Glasgow.
So your feelings don't extend to someone you don't know yet they do to people you don't know.
Hmmmmmm
Whenever mental health issues raise their ugly head sadly , many compassion-less, ill informed and wholly ignorant of mental illness, come out to play.
Yes, reading my post back, I did suggest everyone felt the same. I suppose I should have said "everyone I've come across who felt that way" or something. Point taken, and sorry.
You're right. They don't think of others which is what makes this a selfish act. As I understand it, suicides aren't generally done on a spur of the moment thing. You don't suddenly think, 'i'm feeling depressed today so now's a good time to top myself'. I think people who do things like this have had these thoughts for some time and have most probably contemplated how they intend to end their lives. They're thought through for weeks, months or even years with the person having dark thoughts about how and where they plan to do it. Then when the moment strikes they seize the opportunity to carry it out.
I don't believe for one second that this woman walked into this store not knowing what she was about to do. I can't see her wanding round the hardware aisle and suddenly deciding to end her life just like that. She must have had these thoughts for some time which in my opinion makes it an act of selfishness because if her intent was to kill herself she could quite easily have done what she did in the privacy of her home. For whatever reason she obviously wanted to make this a public show.
Actually it is a common misconception that those who commit suicide don't think about the impact their suicide will have on others. For between the acting of such a thing and the first motion, the state of oneself is like a kingdom that suffers an insurrection. There is not a single day where you do not go back and forth pondering whether you should or not, there is not a single day where you do not consider how that would affect your loved ones or the people who may witness it.
Now for some of us, like me, we either aren't strong enough (or too weak) to do so, or get help and learn to cope. That doesn't make us better than those who don't commit suicide, it just means we had different experiences.
Actually it is a common misconception that those who commit suicide don't think about the impact their suicide will have on others. For between the acting of such a thing and the first motion, the state of oneself is like a kingdom that suffers an insurrection. There is not a single day where you do not go back and forth pondering whether you should or not, there is not a single day where you do not consider how that would affect your loved ones or the people who may witness it.
Now for some of us, like me, we either aren't strong enough (or too weak) to do so, or get help and learn to cope. That doesn't make us better than those who don't commit suicide, it just means we had different experiences.
I am so pleased for you, your family and your friends that you are still here to tell your side of this sad situation.
Actually it is a common misconception that those who commit suicide don't think about the impact their suicide will have on others. For between the acting of such a thing and the first motion, the state of oneself is like a kingdom that suffers an insurrection. There is not a single day where you do not go back and forth pondering whether you should or not, there is not a single day where you do not consider how that would affect your loved ones or the people who may witness it.
Now for some of us, like me, we either aren't strong enough (or too weak) to do so, or get help and learn to cope. That doesn't make us better than those who don't commit suicide, it just means we had different experiences.
To me, this incident seems like a very impulsive act, she might have even been psychotic at the time. If you're depressed, you probably just want a very quite and peaceful suicide. What she did was so violent and painful, I can't imagine it was a planned event that was well thought out. She could have been hearing voices, or having delusions or something.
I am so pleased for you, your family and your friends that you are still here to tell your side of this sad situation.
Why are you happy for me?
I have no friends, I hate or at least dislike my family- I'm not actually sure, I never sure of anything to be honest. I find it nigh impossible to make decisions, I ruminate endlessly over memories and scenarios. It is almost an impossible to will myself to do anything- cook, go to the bathroom, have a shower/brush my teeth/get off the toilet whilst in the bathroom, go to bed, get out of bed etc. My so called talents lie as uncultivated as barren wasteland: the piano, sax and guitar gather dust, my art books lie idly and most importantly everything I write is sh!t and if I can't write than I am nothing. I can barely concentrate on one task for a whole minute and as proof I present to you this post as it has taken me an hour to write.
It took me six years for the symptoms of my depression and anxiety to lighten and in the space of six months the figlio di troias at my workplace have sent me right back to phase del cazzo one. So, now thanks to having five weeks off of work, I'm feel damn sure that I've ruined my career before it's even started. I can't complain because said troias (and I know they're scared of me doing so) are the one's who are deciding whether to renew my contract or not.
But, yes, I'm sure my family are happy I didn't commit suicide.
I have no friends, I hate or at least dislike my family- I'm not actually sure, I never sure of anything to be honest. I find it nigh impossible to make decisions, I ruminate endlessly over memories and scenarios. It is almost an impossible to will myself to do anything- cook, go to the bathroom, have a shower/brush my teeth/get off the toilet whilst in the bathroom, go to bed, get out of bed etc. My so called talents lie as uncultivated as barren wasteland: the piano, sax and guitar gather dust, my art books lie idly and most importantly everything I write is sh!t and if I can't write than I am nothing. I can barely concentrate on one task for a whole minute and as proof I present to you this post as it has taken me an hour to write.
It took me six years for the symptoms of my depression and anxiety to lighten and in the space of six months the figlio di troias at my workplace have sent me right back to phase del cazzo one. So, now thanks to having five weeks off of work, I'm feel damn sure that I've ruined my career before it's even started. I can't complain because said troias (and I know they're scared of me doing so) are the one's who are deciding whether to renew my contract or not.
But, yes, I'm sure my family are happy I didn't commit suicide.
Mindfulness can help with that a lot. It helps you to 'live in the moment' rather than think about the past or ruminate, also helps with concentration.
Also, if you hate your family I'm assuming your childhood wasn't so good? Do you think your depression and anxiety might be rooted in that?
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Maybe she had or hadn't threatened suicide before and been "rescued" in time, in this instance that didn't happen.
How can you say she's a 'little selfish' but then acknowledge that she must have had severe mental issues at the time? Doesn't 'selfishness' mean some kind of presence of mind in the first place? Imo, nobody 'in their right mind' would do such a thing. For one thing, killing yourself by slashing your own neck is probably one of the most painful ways to commit suicide.
She may not even have been suicidal but in a psychotic state. Maybe she was delusional? Some people do injure themselves not to die or self-harm, but because they're psychotic.
And I want to echo another poster who said the real anger should be directed at the terrible state of the mental health system at the moment.
people who commit suicide dont all think the same, as u seemed to suggest. They do it from a variety of reasons. But yes. I definitely agree with the rest of what you said.
Yes, reading my post back, I did suggest everyone felt the same. I suppose I should have said "everyone I've come across who felt that way" or something. Point taken, and sorry.
There has been a 40% decrease in deaths resulting form paracetamol overdose since limits on pack sizes were introduced.
The 40% figure doesn't tell me a lot. I'd be more interested I the raw figures. In a democracy (you may have heard of the concept) laws are normally passed with, rather than despite the wishes of the (preferably informed) majority.
Passing laws because of the actions of one or two individuals without consulting the electorate is not what our political masters should be doing. A woman was killed in Brighton and it turned out her boyfriend had been watching violent porn: so violent porn was banned. Compare that kneejerk legislation with the States. Various statistics have shown that guns are the most common method of committing suicide. Are they banned? No. Why, because America still at least pays some lip service to the democratic process.
I do not want my freedoms curtailed because of the actions of a very small minority thank you.
I think the blame should be directed at the politicians who have consistently left mental health services over-stretched and under-resourced for years on end.
The emphasis on "evidence based medicine" and performance indicators mitigates against MH services, because successful MH care usually means something doesn't happen, rather than something does, and you can't measure a negative. It's easy to assess shorter waiting lists and improved cancer recovery rates, but you can't count the number of people who didn't cut their own throats in Asda.
Just before Christmas, a mental health team in Sussex was trying to find a bed in an acute unit for a schizophrenic who was very ill. The nearest NHS unit with a vacant bed was in Glasgow.
Interesting and enlightening article herehttp://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/mar/21/inside-uk-mental-health-crisis-people-will-die
So sad for the lady herself, her family and friends, and everyone who was involved in this tragic incident.
Your freedoms as you put it are curtailed every day by lots of differant rules and laws and are done for the common good of alot of people, if we did not have speeding laws then most people would be driving at the speed they want too, and i think when you look at the milllions of speeding tickets handed out every year, that should tell you something.
My partner's father shot himself in the kitchen of the family home, while his wife was out shopping. She came home to find him slumped on the floor.
She's a remarkable woman, and has borne it very well.
Now there's a topic for another thread!
I'd go for blowing myself up in The Wizard's front room.
Make sure he is at the pub when you do it lol
What a pathetic, self-centred attitude.
Very well said, Lakie! The situation is terrible.
So your feelings don't extend to someone you don't know yet they do to people you don't know.
Hmmmmmm
Accurate post , thank you. In my many years of involvement, the situation has never been so dire.
Whenever mental health issues raise their ugly head sadly , many compassion-less, ill informed and wholly ignorant of mental illness, come out to play.
No problem.
Actually it is a common misconception that those who commit suicide don't think about the impact their suicide will have on others. For between the acting of such a thing and the first motion, the state of oneself is like a kingdom that suffers an insurrection. There is not a single day where you do not go back and forth pondering whether you should or not, there is not a single day where you do not consider how that would affect your loved ones or the people who may witness it.
Now for some of us, like me, we either aren't strong enough (or too weak) to do so, or get help and learn to cope. That doesn't make us better than those who don't commit suicide, it just means we had different experiences.
I am so pleased for you, your family and your friends that you are still here to tell your side of this sad situation.
To me, this incident seems like a very impulsive act, she might have even been psychotic at the time. If you're depressed, you probably just want a very quite and peaceful suicide. What she did was so violent and painful, I can't imagine it was a planned event that was well thought out. She could have been hearing voices, or having delusions or something.
Why are you happy for me?
I have no friends, I hate or at least dislike my family- I'm not actually sure, I never sure of anything to be honest. I find it nigh impossible to make decisions, I ruminate endlessly over memories and scenarios. It is almost an impossible to will myself to do anything- cook, go to the bathroom, have a shower/brush my teeth/get off the toilet whilst in the bathroom, go to bed, get out of bed etc. My so called talents lie as uncultivated as barren wasteland: the piano, sax and guitar gather dust, my art books lie idly and most importantly everything I write is sh!t and if I can't write than I am nothing. I can barely concentrate on one task for a whole minute and as proof I present to you this post as it has taken me an hour to write.
It took me six years for the symptoms of my depression and anxiety to lighten and in the space of six months the figlio di troias at my workplace have sent me right back to phase del cazzo one. So, now thanks to having five weeks off of work, I'm feel damn sure that I've ruined my career before it's even started. I can't complain because said troias (and I know they're scared of me doing so) are the one's who are deciding whether to renew my contract or not.
But, yes, I'm sure my family are happy I didn't commit suicide.
Mindfulness can help with that a lot. It helps you to 'live in the moment' rather than think about the past or ruminate, also helps with concentration.
Also, if you hate your family I'm assuming your childhood wasn't so good? Do you think your depression and anxiety might be rooted in that?