But where's the evidence that Catholic or Protestant schools are doing anything disruptive even in the manner they teach religion? Most people who emerge from them these days are perfectly normal law abiding citizens, not hate filled bigots.
There isn't, and I think it is a distortion to use ISIS as a platform to attack religion. ISIS is about a power struggle, not about religious principles.
I'm not saying that they come out being hate filled bigots. I went to church for years and I know what's in the bible, my Christian mother seethes when we discuss gay people. That's hatred bourne from her faith.
It is my personal view, as I stated before, that religion has no place in schools at all. I personally think it's a backward way of thinking and shouldn't have a place in a progressive society.
You never knew any non-religious persons who were anti-gay? Society started changing about the same time for most people. Except in Islam where some views remain medieval by modern standards.
they interviewed americans on the street talking about this and they said "have the problem (with terrorists) is they're from the middle east, the other half is from the Great Britain."
I don't know who these Americans are because I didn't hear anyone say that. Most people know that we had our own terrorists learning to fly planes but not land them.
The people doing this are British Muslims, other British Muslims must know who they are.
The rest of your post is apologist twaddle.
I know this is a serious topic, but this actually made me laugh. My daughter's friend is a British Muslim, should I haul him in for questioning? There is a huge distinction between Muslim and extremist and it is people with attitudes like yours that makes life in this country very uncomfortable for the majority of Muslims who condemn the actions of extremists. My husband's a Catholic, maybe he knows the identity of every IRA member.
Perhaps the Muslim poster will meet with the people here berating him, let you all force his arm up his back until he agrees to go out and stop ISIS singlehandedly or at least gives up the information on who the killer in the video is?
Jeez...
Agreed, but as hundreds, possibly thousands, of people are involved and there must be a awful lot of people - thousands or tens of thousands maybe - who know or at least suspect that they know who some of them are, it's not unreasonable to expect some of them to be identified by public tip-off - otherwise Crimewatch would go out of business - and if that didn't happen (not saying it won't, and hope it will), I think it would be really worrying thing which would also need addressing (somehow)
Agreed, but as hundreds, possibly thousands, of people are involved and there must be a awful lot of people - thousands or tens of thousands maybe - who know or at least suspect that they know who some of them are, it's not unreasonable to expect some of them to be identified by public tip-off - otherwise Crimewatch would go out of business - and if that didn't happen (not saying it won't, and hope it will), I think it would be really worrying thing which would also need addressing (somehow)
It may be so - and for all we know people may have gone to the security forces to tell them that their child or relation has gone to Syria and may be with ISIS - there was an example recently. The police are not going to make public most of that knowledge though.
The people doing this are British Muslims, other British Muslims must know who they are.
The rest of your post is apologist twaddle.
Well it was apologist for those who are innocent - but it wasn't apologist for the guilty. No-one on this thread has at any point defended ISIS or their supporters.
The people doing this are British Muslims, other British Muslims must know who they are.
The rest of your post is apologist twaddle.
Utter nonsense. You might be feel a bit more at home airing views like this in the Right Wing Extremist Forum that passes itself off as the Politics forum, you'll get a much warmer response.
Isn't that a bit like suggesting that "other white people" must know about white people who are abusing their kids etc, and implying they're somehow responsible?
Do you know what your neighbours get up to?
I don't.
Perhaps the Muslim poster will meet with the people here berating him, let you all force his arm up his back until he agrees to go out and stop ISIS singlehandedly or at least gives up the information on who the killer in the video is?
I know this is a serious topic, but this actually made me laugh. My daughter's friend is a British Muslim, should I haul him in for questioning? There is a huge distinction between Muslim and extremist and it is people with attitudes like yours that makes life in this country very uncomfortable for the majority of Muslims who condemn the actions of extremists. My husband's a Catholic, maybe he knows the identity of every IRA member.
Maybe he would if they were a family member who had recently left for Ireland.
Utter nonsense. You might be feel a bit more at home airing views like this in the Right Wing Extremist Forum that passes itself off as the Politics forum, you'll get a much warmer response.
No, but why would they tell you? How do you know they have not spoken to the authorities - one set of parents certainly did. If families are telling the police that their children have gone to Syria then that information would be held in confidence for obvious reasons... and the police are unlikely to even say that they have the knowledge.
It may be so - and for all we know people may have gone to the security forces to tell them that their child or relation has gone to Syria and may be with ISIS - there was an example recently. The police are not going to make public most of that knowledge though.
True - and of course where we're talking about people who are happy to behead children, rape women and bury people alive, there would be real danger for members of their community who 'betrayed' them, so fear must be a factor too
True - and of course where we're talking about people who are happy to behead children, rape women and bury people alive, there would be real danger for members of their community who 'betrayed' them, so fear must be a factor too
Very possibly - and I think if people are not saying something another factor could be 'not our lad'... as was said on the news yesterday, many of the 'fighters' told their family they have gone to help refugees etc and are either radicalised while out there or simply lied to their families. The hope that 'our lad' wasn't one of the fighters must be prevalent, even if it was to do with worrying about his safety rather than worrying about the atrocities he might be carrying out.
No, but why would they tell you? How do you know they have not spoken to the authorities - one set of parents certainly did. If families are telling the police that their children have gone to Syria then that information would be held in confidence for obvious reasons... and the police are unlikely to even say that they have the knowledge.
It wouldn't surprise me if the authorities already know the killers identity but have kept it hidden because it could put his family in danger.
It wouldn't surprise me if the authorities already know the killers identity but have kept it hidden because it could put his family in danger.
If his identity is known they are hardly likely to reveal it if special forces are going in after him, are they? It'd sort of give the game away. Mind you, IS may have squirrelled him away by now in any case...
Who probably claimed asylum in this country a few years back...
Probably, You'll never know.
Well, if you look at the background of many UK terrorists they are often middle-class, well educated and from established families (or converts). Assuming that the parents are refugees isn't born out by evidence.
No, but why would they tell you? How do you know they have not spoken to the authorities - one set of parents certainly did. If families are telling the police that their children have gone to Syria then that information would be held in confidence for obvious reasons... and the police are unlikely to even say that they have the knowledge.
Where did I say that they should tell me personally?
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There isn't, and I think it is a distortion to use ISIS as a platform to attack religion. ISIS is about a power struggle, not about religious principles.
You never knew any non-religious persons who were anti-gay? Society started changing about the same time for most people. Except in Islam where some views remain medieval by modern standards.
I don't know who these Americans are because I didn't hear anyone say that. Most people know that we had our own terrorists learning to fly planes but not land them.
I know this is a serious topic, but this actually made me laugh. My daughter's friend is a British Muslim, should I haul him in for questioning? There is a huge distinction between Muslim and extremist and it is people with attitudes like yours that makes life in this country very uncomfortable for the majority of Muslims who condemn the actions of extremists. My husband's a Catholic, maybe he knows the identity of every IRA member.
Agreed, but as hundreds, possibly thousands, of people are involved and there must be a awful lot of people - thousands or tens of thousands maybe - who know or at least suspect that they know who some of them are, it's not unreasonable to expect some of them to be identified by public tip-off - otherwise Crimewatch would go out of business - and if that didn't happen (not saying it won't, and hope it will), I think it would be really worrying thing which would also need addressing (somehow)
It may be so - and for all we know people may have gone to the security forces to tell them that their child or relation has gone to Syria and may be with ISIS - there was an example recently. The police are not going to make public most of that knowledge though.
Well it was apologist for those who are innocent - but it wasn't apologist for the guilty. No-one on this thread has at any point defended ISIS or their supporters.
Utter nonsense. You might be feel a bit more at home airing views like this in the Right Wing Extremist Forum that passes itself off as the Politics forum, you'll get a much warmer response.
Are they all orphans with no familys?
Who mentioned the poster on here?
Maybe he would if they were a family member who had recently left for Ireland.
I'm a Socialist.
My family used to get this kind of paranoid nonsense from a few English folk back in the 70s. In essence, some people are ever the same.
No, but why would they tell you? How do you know they have not spoken to the authorities - one set of parents certainly did. If families are telling the police that their children have gone to Syria then that information would be held in confidence for obvious reasons... and the police are unlikely to even say that they have the knowledge.
True - and of course where we're talking about people who are happy to behead children, rape women and bury people alive, there would be real danger for members of their community who 'betrayed' them, so fear must be a factor too
Very possibly - and I think if people are not saying something another factor could be 'not our lad'... as was said on the news yesterday, many of the 'fighters' told their family they have gone to help refugees etc and are either radicalised while out there or simply lied to their families. The hope that 'our lad' wasn't one of the fighters must be prevalent, even if it was to do with worrying about his safety rather than worrying about the atrocities he might be carrying out.
Apologist for what exactly?
It wouldn't surprise me if the authorities already know the killers identity but have kept it hidden because it could put his family in danger.
Who probably claimed asylum in this country a few years back...
Probably, You'll never know. And I agree that is pure speculation on my part.
If his identity is known they are hardly likely to reveal it if special forces are going in after him, are they? It'd sort of give the game away. Mind you, IS may have squirrelled him away by now in any case...
Well, if you look at the background of many UK terrorists they are often middle-class, well educated and from established families (or converts). Assuming that the parents are refugees isn't born out by evidence.
Where did I say that they should tell me personally?
That is probably a better way of putting it. Hopefully they will get him.
You tell me.
I mean, they're often white. You're white. You must know what's going on, right?
How do you know what colour I am and what does this reply have to do with my post?