[RebelScum]

Originally Posted by JC_09

I'm referring to on here, now! No one is coming up with any decent suggestions.

See post #111

Over the years that particular scenario is the one which has been suggested by many people.

[JC_09]

Originally Posted by RebelScum

See post #111

Over the years that particular scenario is the one which has been suggested by many people.

But arguments have been given as to why that wouldn't have worked, and I think Lucas would have made even more of a mess with that scenario.

[RebelScum]

Originally Posted by JC_09

But arguments have been given as to why that wouldn't have worked, and I think Lucas would have made even more of a mess with that scenario.

Those particular arguments, notably the one about Anakin's attachment to his mother can easily be countered by, say, reducing the whole of the TPM to the first half hour, then jump 10 years to when he was older. That still leaves plenty opportunity to develop Palpatine's raise to power.


In broad terms, something along the lines of;

E1: Find Anakin as kid. Jump 10 years to when he is older. Palpatine's raise. Start of the Clone Wars.

E2: Palpatine's seduction of Anakin. Order 66. End of the Clone Wars. Duel of Fates.

E3: The Great Jedi Purge. Raise of the Rebelion.

[JC_09]

Originally Posted by RebelScum

Those particular arguments, notably the one about Anakin's attachment to his mother can easily be countered by, say, reducing the whole of the TPM to the first half hour, then jump 10 years to when he was older. That still leaves plenty opportunity to develop Palpatine's raise to power.

PM could have been cut down to show two parts in the one films, yes. Finding Anakin as a boy etc, then jumping to his teenage life, but it didn't did it?

[RebelScum]

Originally Posted by JC_09

PM could have been cut down to show two parts in the one films, yes. Finding Anakin as a boy etc, then jumping to his teenage life, but it didn't did it?

Of course it didn't, nothing wrong with speculating how it could have been done though. I'm not one of those angry fans that hates everything about the PT and resents GL for not making the PT as I would have wanted. There's some good stuff and some bad stuff in there.

[mr muggles]

The real shame about the prequels was the dialogue.

I think Harrison Ford once said something along the lines of "You can write this sh*t George, but you sure cant say it!"

The wit in the dialogue of ANH & TESB really helped the movies along (It had dissapeared by ROTJ). Reading from past sources, Ford had a little input in tinkering his lines. Kerschner was also an 'actors' director, which gave TESB that extra bit of humanity, which is why it still resonates the most, or on a par with ANH. Also Leigh Bracketts drafts for TESB possibly lifted Lucas's original stories too, before her death.
I dont have a problem with the amount of cgi on the prequels - visually they are gr8 to watch, but the dialogue is honestly dreadful, and does not match up to the spectacle on the screen, infact, with the amount of money spent on them, I still find it hard to believe that no-one had the guts to say to Lucas "You need to retool the dialogue".

The basic stories are fine (although TPM was too compicated for it own good). The one other major fault was Hayden, unfortunately, not the best choice for the lead.

I still have a soft spot for AOTC, due to its episodic nature, theres lots to keep you entertained, and Padme has more of a lead.

[JC_09]

I dunno why everyone bigs up ANH so much, I find it the most boring movie of the OT.

[Eurytus]

Originally Posted by mr muggles

The real shame about the prequels was the dialogue.

I think Harrison Ford once said something along the lines of "You can write this sh*t George, but you sure cant say it!"

The wit in the dialogue of ANH & TESB really helped the movies along (It had dissapeared by ROTJ). Reading from past sources, Ford had a little input in tinkering his lines. Kerschner was also an 'actors' director, which gave TESB that extra bit of humanity, which is why it still resonates the most, or on a par with ANH. Also Leigh Bracketts drafts for TESB possibly lifted Lucas's original stories too, before her death.

It sums it up when the best dialogue in the entire series was an ad lib.

[JC_09]

Originally Posted by mr muggles

The basic stories are fine (although TPM was too compicated for it own good). The one other major fault was Hayden, unfortunately, not the best choice for the lead.

An actor is only as good as the lines and the direction he gets given!

I don't think Hayden was the problem!

[gamehound294]

no, just darth vader trilogy would be fine... to see who else is his son...

[Big Boy Barry]

I'd settle for a proper version of the original trilogy with all of Lucas' pointless alterations removed.

[MissDexter]

Originally Posted by JC_09

An actor is only as good as the lines and the direction he gets given!

So how come Mark, Harrison, Carrie and others carried it off in the original trilogy?
An actor is as good as their talent and ability.

[rags13]

I long ago learnt to let go of my geeky star wars fanboy anger towards the prequal trilogy and accept them for the truely entertaining films that they are......



...IF

you watch them on DVD and do the following.

TPM - Skip any scene involving the young whiney Anakin, Jar Jar bloody Binks and any mention of midichlorians.

AOTC - Skip through any scene involving Anakin and Padme's "blossoming" love affair. Also any scenes with Anakin being a whiney bitch.

ROTS - Skip through any scene involving Anakin and Padme (notice the theme?) and remember to stop it before the hideous, unforgivable "Nooooooooooo!!!!!!!" at the end.

[Big Boy Barry]

My advice is to skip the prequels entirely.

[peon]

Lucas' biggest crime with the prequels was to raise expectation that we were going to see The Clone Wars, hinted at in A New Hope. to bookend it between episodes 2 and 3, resorting to a shitty cartoon to tell that story was a travesty, a wasted opportunity. Episode 2 could have been completely set against the background of war, and the trilogy could have been epic. instead, Lucas gave us that shite six hour toy commercial,

[Big Boy Barry]

The original trilogy has been vandalised. That's the biggest issue I have. I don't care about the prequels, they can be ignored. These are the main things that need to be changed in the original trilogy to restore them to some level of high quality...

1- The scene with Han and Greedo in ANH needs to be changed back to the original version. Greedo never shoots. The CGI in the changed version is piss poor, and the original version made Han's character much deeper by showing that at first he was a ruthless mercenary, who reforms by the end of the film.

2- Vader's "noooooooooooo" needs to be removed from ROTJ. It's intrusive and completely pointless. As usual, Lucas doesn't understand the concept of subtlety. It's also disrespectful to alter the movies of other directors. Changing things in ESB and ROTJ pisses on the work of Irvin Kershner and Richard Marquand.

3- The changed Emperor/Hologram dialogue in ESB needs to be restored to the original dialogue. I have no problem with Ian McDiarmid now being featured in the scene, but the dialogue changes make no logical sense.

4- The pointless and intrusive Jabba scene in ANH needs to be removed. It's rendered redundant by the Greedo scene anyway, and it sticks out like a sore thumb.

5- Hayden Christensen in ROTJ should be removed and Sebastian Shaw re-inserted into the film. The argument used that "Anakin reverted to his pre-dark side persona" is bollocks (because he reverted back to the light side before he died), and is also yet again intrusive.

6- The Dug in ROTJ should be cut. A pointless and blatant way of Lucas saying "hey, remember those crappy aliens from Episode I?....well here's another one!"

7- Obi-Wan's howl in ANH just sounds bizarre. The scene works perfectly well without any screeching at all.

8- Naboo in ROTJ should be removed. Another pointless reference to the prequels.

9- The pointless CGI hi-jinx at Mos Eisley should be cut. CGI works best when it blends naturally into the plot. It doesn't need to be thrown in the audience's face.

10- The song/dance sequence in ROTJ should be removed. It's stupid, pointless and unnecessary. It really does look like something from the Muppets.

[Dai13371]

Originally Posted by MissDexter

So how come Mark, Harrison, Carrie and others carried it off in the original trilogy?
An actor is as good as their talent and ability.

I think it goes hand in hand with having been directed by a competent director. Hayden has received acclaim for his portrayal of Stephen Glass for instance.

[whedon247]

yeh id like to see it,i liked the prequels

[bluesmanuk]

I think that there could be room for a new trilogy although the Sith/Jedi thing has now come full circle within the general scope of the current 6 movies.

I rather enjoyed the prequel trilogy and it was always going to receive criticism from die hard fans of the original and nothing at all would have changed this.

Lucas could either go right back to the origins of Yoda or expand more on the Midi-chlorian origins or if he really wanted to continue the original trilogy, then take it further into the future where the actors that played in the originals could appear again, with a new breed being introduced to give scope for further options down the line.

There are plenty of other predators in the Star Wars Universe to pick from as the enemies.

[Big Boy Barry]

Once Gary Kurtz left after ESB, the quality of SW dipped dramatically. ROTJ was saved by Richard Marquand who knew how to deal with human actors, but after that Lucas ran amok. Not content with having a solid trilogy that was responsible for building the fanbase initially, he decided to do his very best to ruin them with pointless alterations. Then came the prequels. When left to his own devices and surrounded by yes men, he crapped out three abysmal movies. Then came the terrible Clone Wars series. It can only get worse.

[LykkieLi]

Originally Posted by paulschapman

Yes - it would be nice to see what happened to Luke, Leia et all after Jedi - although the books are supposed to tell that story.

Lucas should avoid anything more than putting the money up and getting someone else to add bones to an outline and get other directors involved.

I agree with this, a better script and some fresh blood on it would be worth watching.

[RebelScum]

Originally Posted by Big Boy Barry

Once Gary Kurtz left after ESB, the quality of SW dipped dramatically. ROTJ was saved by Richard Marquand who knew how to deal with human actors, but after that Lucas ran amok. Not content with having a solid trilogy that was responsible for building the fanbase initially, he decided to do his very best to ruin them with pointless alterations. Then came the prequels. When left to his own devices and surrounded by yes men, he crapped out three abysmal movies. Then came the terrible Clone Wars series. It can only get worse.

While it did take a season to get going, most people who actually watch it think it's better than the prequels and has managed to recapture some of the spirit of the original trilogy. It's mostly those who don't watch it who think it's terrible.

[peon]

Originally Posted by Dai13371

I think it goes hand in hand with having been directed by a competent director.

agreed. the reason ESB is mooted as the best of the lot is because the great Irvin Kershner understood what he needed to do. he says on the commentary that he had to make the audience believe that these were ordinary people, in an extraordinary place, but who felt all the same emotions as anybody else. fear, jealousy, anger, love. he also managed to get a more natural delivery of less stilted dialogue.

that is why the prequels fail. Lucas is a special effects geek, a tech-nerd. his relationship with people and knowledge of how they interact and speak to each other is non-existent, and that forms the heart of any good story, in any genre.

that unnatural dialogue and stilted, expository speech in every scene of the prequels, McDiarmid aside, was just horrific. the love scenes between Anakin and Padme were risible, and looked as if written by a 12 year old virgin.