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Jack Wilshere: Is he as good as he thinks he is?
You could almost feel sympathy for the criticism Wilshere has received recently from ex-pros but I must admit that I don't see anything special in him as a player. Contrast where Arsenal team mates Aaron Ramsey and Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain are in terms of ability and contribution for their ages, Jack is lagging behind quite a bit.
Wilshere always seems to have a high opinion of himself in the media. Is this justified, is there a better English player for his position at national level and just how good (or not) a player can he develop into?
Wilshere always seems to have a high opinion of himself in the media. Is this justified, is there a better English player for his position at national level and just how good (or not) a player can he develop into?
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I can't recall ever seeing him put in a performance that blew me away, but then again I'm not an Arsenal fan watching them week in, week out. If he can stay fit and get an extended run in the first team then we'll be better placed to judge him.
It's a mentality and role thing I think. He clearly has technical ability. Is he a holding player? An attacking midfielder? Something in between? I find it hard to work out what role he's actually doing sometimes.
I don't think he's assertive enough on the pitch and let's others dictate. He had a good game recently for Arsenal when Ramsey was out, as if he realised he had to take some iniative.
As a Liverpool fan, I see similarities in the issues we had with Jordan Henderson. Again, technically he's good but initially at the club he was not quite clear what his role was, lacked assertiveness and let others take on the responsibility. He's now more comfortable with his role, has become much more assertive and confidence is high.
Wilshere should come good but he needs consistency in role and playing time. I think Wenger should stop trying to wedge him into a team with Ramsey, Ozil and Cazorla and Sanchez in it as he's probably better suited to an attacking role in the Ramsey style rather than being the one who holds back a little.
Hodgson won't get the best out of him, that's one thing for sure. If he can't assert himself above Ramsey at Atsenal, maybe he should move on? I think he's wasted otherwise.
Does he? Seeing as you're a Spurs fan maybe you're a tad biased.
It would be a good for him and potentially very good for England if he went to a side like that and did well.
He wouldn't get in Juve's first team, their midfield is their strongest part of their team.
Scholes was right when he said that since he made his debut, he just hasn't improved all that much.
Yeah, fair enough. I think his moved was linked to any possible exit for Vidal/Pogba.
Re Scholes: His advancement would appear to have been hampered by injury/lack of chances. He's a very young still, he could kick on this season.
For me another Joe Cole has the talent and ability but lacks the intelligence and attitude.
People can blame "injuries" and lack of games but the only one stopping him progressing is himself.
Just go out and play football, Jack. If you're good enough it will shine through in the end. If you're not, well, that'll show, too.
For me, I compare his development to that of Ramsey, who has greatly eclipsed him despite being out for a long time. His ability, now, was clear from the start. Where as Wilshere, for me, has always been compared to Joe Cole and it never materialised. Now the media doesn't know his best position. Which is a case of his talent being exceeding too great or not sufficient enough, to merit a place in the team.
Apologies- I keep misreading your name.
Wilshere is exceptionally hard working. His team mates and the Arsenal staff have got nothing but good to say about him.
He's done a couple of daft things, who hasn't, but he comes across as very grounded to me.
Well as far as I can see he's always on the ground!!
He always looks to be carrying too much weight
His diving is way beyond a joke.........he spends more time on the floor than on his feet. I do wonder if his reputation hasn't now got around to the extant that he doesn't get penalties (like the other night) because refs know he's a diver ?
I think the people who rate him see the obvious technical ability and the people who don't just see the fact he hasn't been able to fulfil his potential yet due to injury and the fact Wenger hasn't really found a consistent role for him.
EDIT: yikes, originally quoted the wrong post...
Correct, he doesn't.
This thread was obviously started by a Spurs fan who has nothing better to do.
Precisely. At the moment, literally a Jack of all trades.
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As far as I can tell they tend to revolve around his passing, to me he is not someone who will get you lots of goals in a season, nor will he be up there in talking percentage department.
I also don't see in him a person who can play that last and important killer ball to the attackers, so really he is someone who passes the ball to another team-mate; which is not a bad trait to have, but a modern day midfielder, and a top one at that, needs to have more than one string to his bow so to speak.
Until he adapts and can do something else well (say goalscoring like Ramsey) then he will not be amongst the very best players in this league.
it's kinda stupid to dismiss valid criticism based on nothing more than the critic supporting a rival club.
straw man. no-one's calling him rubbish.