In this country we still measure poverty based on a victorian model. We spend more on welfare ie child benefit , tax credits etc than ever before, so in terms of fiscal poverty then the argument doesnt stack up. In Frank Fields 2010 report on how to stop poor children becoming poor adults he looks at it in a different way, that poverty should be measured in wether the child has clean clothes, sees soap & water , sleeps in the same bed each night , has a fixed adress. One of the main highlights of his report is that when they went into schools around the country they found that 14/15 year olds where desperate to be given classes on how to be good parents , the same question asked to them ' what would you like to see being taught in school' & they all said the same thing.
My wife works for SureStart , & its self inflicted squalor, latent stupidity & basically infantised adults who are more child like than their offspring thats to blame for the problems. Chucking money at the problem only does so much , the amount paid out in benefits to people who are less than uselsss is not delivering results , its only making matters worse as the child rarely sees the money, always money to be found for **** & booze / phones etc , yet money for nappies, clean clothes , baths etc is fleetingly found.
If the problems shown are to be fixed then tough love has to shown, stop pussyfooting about with infantised adults , axe the benefits , introduce welfare to work , take the children off them & see the benefits, two little boys at Mrs Sheepdogs nursery where in a shocking state, stunk, no clean clothes, they'd go home in a clean nappy & come back the following morning in the same one, these children where taken off the parents put in foster care , you should have seen the transformation , smelling nice , clean clothes , washed / cut hair etc two lost souls retrieved from a life in the CJS given a fighting chance of being valuable members of society.
People do die on the streets, usulally due to the effects of drink and drugs, but never starvation, don't be so ridiculous.
As it has been said in numerous other threads, just because you havent experienced something or are aware of it, doesnt mean it doesnt happen.
People die all the time due to a lack of food or healthcare. Not all deaths are just drug abuse and quite frankly, it's insulting of you to assume everyone in such a situation would be a drug abuser or that is the only logical cause of death.
In this country we still measure poverty based on a victorian model. We spend more on welfare ie child benefit , tax credits etc than ever before, so in terms of fiscal poverty then the argument doesnt stack up. In Frank Fields 2010 report on how to stop poor children becoming poor adults he looks at it in a different way, that poverty should be measured in wether the child has clean clothes, sees soap & water , sleeps in the same bed each night , has a fixed adress. One of the main highlights of his report is that when they went into schools around the country they found that 14/15 year olds where desperate to be given classes on how to be good parents , the same question asked to them ' what would you like to see being taught in school' & they all said the same thing.
My wife works for SureStart , & its self inflicted squalor, latent stupidity & basically infantised adults who are more child like than their offspring thats to blame for the problems. Chucking money at the problem only does so much , the amount paid out in benefits to people who are less than uselsss is not delivering results , its only making matters worse as the child rarely sees the money, always money to be found for **** & booze / phones etc , yet money for nappies, clean clothes , baths etc is fleetingly found.
If the problems shown are to be fixed then tough love has to shown, stop pussyfooting about with infantised adults , axe the benefits , introduce welfare to work , take the children off them & see the benefits, two little boys at Mrs Sheepdogs nursery where in a shocking state, stunk, no clean clothes, they'd go home in a clean nappy & come back the following morning in the same one, these children where taken off the parents put in foster care , you should have seen the transformation , smelling nice , clean clothes , washed / cut hair etc two lost souls retrieved from a life in the CJS given a fighting chance of being valuable members of society.
Very good post. It is up to the parents to be more responsbile for the health and welfare of their children. Which in some cases is sadly lacking.
Tis you wh666 making the assumption that deaths on the street are always drug or alcohol related, there's a difference between the words 'usually' and 'always' you know. Cite an example of a child who starved to death on Britains streets, free health care and education is available to all children in this country.
But some of you seem ignorant to the poverty and suffering around you. People do die in this country due to starvation. It may surprise you, so I would suggest you work with vulnerable young people.
If you ever have, you may come across teenage children like I have, that lived under a bridge, after she was taken in to care as a child for being sexually abused, then got physically abused by her guardians and ran away. Many people have a similar story and have slipped through the cracks of the care system.
Try getting benefits or anything when you have no fixed abode. Some temporary centres for those waiting to get council housed are full of drugs and violence, often worse than living on the streets.
Do you only accept reality based on what a media or publisher makes available to you? Dont you ever live and experience life yourself?
If you did experience life for yourself, you would be able to grasp the concept of the iceberg affect, which usually in criminology describes how recorded crime is only the tip of the iceberg, reported a small percentage and unreported the big mass of the iceberg below the water line. You can use the same principle with almost any socialogical situation.
Not everything is reported, not everything that is reported is recorded. The world presented to you through available media is only a very limited scope.
Anyway, here is one example that made the papers, where adults neglected a child and left it to starve to death. Not everything that happens in this world does make the papers, so go out and live a little before you judge.
Yeah, that poor kid with the dated 40" TV and games console that featured in the first few minutes.
I didn't see much of the rest, but did they suffer much from lack of drinking water, medical facilities, and education, and be subject to famines and all those other things you might expect in poorer parts of Africa? If not then you can't really compare.
And on BBC Iplayer just now at about 10:05, the biggest dog I've ever seen just wandered into shot. Only a few seconds after the narrator was on about kids skipping meals. How much is that thing going to cost to feed? Perhaps swap it for a guinea pig for a start!
Just pointing out it's a rental telly IIRC, don't know about the games console, if you'd watched a bit more the rental telly was covered later on.
As for the big dog that was because they live in an area with drug users/dealers it's there for protection.
I can only guess she's been the victim or crime to go to that 'extreme'
Don't over egg the pudding either it wasn't the biggest dog you've ever seen.
American Bully wasn't it?
So Wh666 you're unable to distinguish the difference between the words 'always' and 'usually', that must mean either English isn't your first language or just being deliberately obtuse.
The tragic case you highlighted of the seven year old girl who was starved to death by her parents was a case of child cruelty and not poverty, ie. food was available but they chose not to feed her. It does not mention the family's income, but in your little world you seem to under the impression that only poor parents are cruel to their kids.
You mention teeagers living rough under a bridge and being taken into care, quite frankly it's insulting of you to assume that everyone in such a situation would have come from a poor background, are you really so niave that you don't realise kids from well off, middle class homes are also sometimes abused and run away from home?
As for your ludicrous comment 'the Uk, suffers more child poverty than some African countries considered third world', just shows how ill informed you are. For you to even compare poverty in the Uk with that in Africa only highlights your ignorance of such situations in either country.
I suggest that perhaps it's you who needs to go out and live a little before you judge
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My wife works for SureStart , & its self inflicted squalor, latent stupidity & basically infantised adults who are more child like than their offspring thats to blame for the problems. Chucking money at the problem only does so much , the amount paid out in benefits to people who are less than uselsss is not delivering results , its only making matters worse as the child rarely sees the money, always money to be found for **** & booze / phones etc , yet money for nappies, clean clothes , baths etc is fleetingly found.
If the problems shown are to be fixed then tough love has to shown, stop pussyfooting about with infantised adults , axe the benefits , introduce welfare to work , take the children off them & see the benefits, two little boys at Mrs Sheepdogs nursery where in a shocking state, stunk, no clean clothes, they'd go home in a clean nappy & come back the following morning in the same one, these children where taken off the parents put in foster care , you should have seen the transformation , smelling nice , clean clothes , washed / cut hair etc two lost souls retrieved from a life in the CJS given a fighting chance of being valuable members of society.
As it has been said in numerous other threads, just because you havent experienced something or are aware of it, doesnt mean it doesnt happen.
People die all the time due to a lack of food or healthcare. Not all deaths are just drug abuse and quite frankly, it's insulting of you to assume everyone in such a situation would be a drug abuser or that is the only logical cause of death.
Very good post. It is up to the parents to be more responsbile for the health and welfare of their children. Which in some cases is sadly lacking.
So YOU made the assumption everyone that dies on the street, usually does due to drink or drug abuse.
I said:
So I AM NOT the one making the assumption that deaths on the streets are drug or alcohol related.
Why deliberately say such a lie?
Do you only accept reality based on what a media or publisher makes available to you? Dont you ever live and experience life yourself?
If you did experience life for yourself, you would be able to grasp the concept of the iceberg affect, which usually in criminology describes how recorded crime is only the tip of the iceberg, reported a small percentage and unreported the big mass of the iceberg below the water line. You can use the same principle with almost any socialogical situation.
Not everything is reported, not everything that is reported is recorded. The world presented to you through available media is only a very limited scope.
Anyway, here is one example that made the papers, where adults neglected a child and left it to starve to death. Not everything that happens in this world does make the papers, so go out and live a little before you judge.
http://www.breakingnews.ie/world/mhgbcwsnauid/
Just pointing out it's a rental telly IIRC, don't know about the games console, if you'd watched a bit more the rental telly was covered later on.
As for the big dog that was because they live in an area with drug users/dealers it's there for protection.
I can only guess she's been the victim or crime to go to that 'extreme'
Don't over egg the pudding either it wasn't the biggest dog you've ever seen.
American Bully wasn't it?
The tragic case you highlighted of the seven year old girl who was starved to death by her parents was a case of child cruelty and not poverty, ie. food was available but they chose not to feed her. It does not mention the family's income, but in your little world you seem to under the impression that only poor parents are cruel to their kids.
You mention teeagers living rough under a bridge and being taken into care, quite frankly it's insulting of you to assume that everyone in such a situation would have come from a poor background, are you really so niave that you don't realise kids from well off, middle class homes are also sometimes abused and run away from home?
As for your ludicrous comment 'the Uk, suffers more child poverty than some African countries considered third world', just shows how ill informed you are. For you to even compare poverty in the Uk with that in Africa only highlights your ignorance of such situations in either country.
I suggest that perhaps it's you who needs to go out and live a little before you judge