What a fantastic, dramatic trailer. How anyone can watch that and say it looks boring or uninteresting is just beyond me, but I should have learned to expect it on this forum - some people are never happy!
As for revisiting Amy in her stripper outfit and Rory as a Roman, it might just be a daft inclination but, perhaps it has something to do with the story :eek: Moffat is obviously revisiting the characters' past for some reason or another and I have full trust in him for it to be very good!
Aw DONT!!! I loved the next Doctor a thoroughly good romp for xmas day, for everyone to flop in front of the telly and watch, DW fan or not.
must say that episode has grown on me, though mainly due to Jackson Lake, who is one of the best one-off characters since the show returned, imho, could have done with the whole episode just being about him and what the cybermen had done to his family rather than all that cyber king stuff, but yeah, on balance i like it. It's Voyage of the Damned I don't care for, it's quite dull for the most part, imho.
Thanks for this i missed it (it said it was on at 8.30 in my tv guide lol) loved it - looks very swish and expensive and glam and dramatic - and even has its own nifty tagline
(Christmas)Time can be re-written....
everything a big budget movie trailer should have - can't wait to see some more.
Thanks for this i missed it (it said 8.30 in my tv guide lol) loved it - looks very swish and expensive and glam and dramatic - everything a big budget movie trailer should - can't wait to see some more.
someone said in the Doctor Who fan thread it looked like a movie trailer, and I have to agree, it really does!
No I mean I wish he would not go over the same stories over and over again, going back to eleventh hour for instance, with Amy in her strippers outfit Why?????? Please dont keep doing this to us
Its all done and dusted so why keep going back to it? and Rory in his Roman outfit, enough!
With all due respect you have NO idea why Amy and Rory are in those outfits (and technically we've not seen Rory in the Roman outfit... AUTON Rory yes, actual Rory no) and I don't see how you can reasonably state that Moffat keeps going over the same stories time after time. At no point in Series 5 other than the, what, 30 seconds of Flesh and Stone and the opening scene with Amielia did we actively revisit a past scene. More to the point, how can anyone still have such doubts over Moffat's writing? No matter what your personal opinion or enjoyment of those stories look at his work from a purely analytical standpoint and he's brought fresh, new twists to every single story he's done for the show and (slightly less objectively) consistently delivered scripts that get talked of as classic episodes, a little faith at this point that he knows what he's doing might not be a bad idea, no?
Aaaaanyway, the trailer's got me more excited about an Xmas special than I have been since the Christmas Invasion (and then only for the new Doctor). There's clearly something interesting going on (ghost of Christmas past, Amy and Rory in old outfits (although I'd love if that's a honeymoon, uh, game that got interrupted by a crisis ) and the Dickens thing suggesting present and future may play a part), very atmospheric / creepy look and feel (was that a FIN in the frozen, misty vault thingy!?!), great guest actor (and Michael Gambon isn't bad either) and generally looks, well, interesting. To borrow a phrase from Phil Collinson (via Radio Free Skaro and my brain's not working so sorry if I got the producer wrong), Hoo-ray.
must say that episode has grown on me, though mainly due to Jackson Lake, who is one of the best one-off characters since the show returned, imho, could have done with the whole episode just being about him and what the cybermen had done to his family rather than all that cyber king stuff, but yeah, on balance i like it. It's Voyage of the Damned I don't care for, it's quite dull for the most part, imho.
Cyber-King? Cyber-king you say? Uh.... nope, sorry, don't remember that, now if you'll excuse me I have to go feed this odd crack in my wall. No idea what it is, only identifying mark is a note sorta dangling from one jaggy bit marked 'RTD bad idea destroyer'...
Voyage of the Damned was a very nice idea done in by the need to make it on a TV budget in my opinion. Disaster movies kinda need to be... well, disastrous and they didn't have the budget to put in enough scenes of it all going wrong to make it seem that way. Plus, well, if the ship was diving towards an alien world you'd wonder if it would all work out, diving towards London on Christmas Day.... yeah, not so much.
With all due respect you have NO idea why Amy and Rory are in those outfits (and technically we've not seen Rory in the Roman outfit... AUTON Rory yes, actual Rory no) and I don't see how you can reasonably state that Moffat keeps going over the same stories time after time. At no point in Series 5 other than the, what, 30 seconds of Flesh and Stone and the opening scene with Amielia did we actively revisit a past scene. More to the point, how can anyone still have such doubts over Moffat's writing? No matter what your personal opinion or enjoyment of those stories look at his work from a purely analytical standpoint and he's brought fresh, new twists to every single story he's done for the show and (slightly less objectively) consistently delivered scripts that get talked of as classic episodes, a little faith at this point that he knows what he's doing might not be a bad idea, no?
Aaaaanyway, the trailer's got me more excited about an Xmas special than I have been since the Christmas Invasion (and then only for the new Doctor). There's clearly something interesting going on (ghost of Christmas past, Amy and Rory in old outfits (although I'd love if that's a honeymoon, uh, game that got interrupted by a crisis ) and the Dickens thing suggesting present and future may play a part), very atmospheric / creepy look and feel (was that a FIN in the frozen, misty vault thingy!?!), great guest actor (and Michael Gambon isn't bad either) and generally looks, well, interesting. To borrow a phrase from Phil Collinson (via Radio Free Skaro and my brain's not working so sorry if I got the producer wrong), Hoo-ray.
No, I for one do not have faith. I accept that many people enjoyed Series 5 but for others on here it was a crushing disappointment, especially after Moffat's Series 1, 2 and 3 stories. You cannot generalise that everyone thought that the ideas in The Big Bang were any good - they may have been "fresh" but many people thought them incomprehensible and nonsensical.
Isn't it lovely when actors get involved like that They managed to sneak in dancing in the TARDIS in Series 5 as well (Vincent and the Doctor) which apparently came from them. Come on Moffat, please give us another full year or two with Matt, Karen and Arthur....
No. I accept that many people enjoyed Series 5 but for others on here it was a crushing disappointment, especially after Moffat's Series 1, 2 and 3 stories. You cannot generalise that everyone thought that the ideas in The Big Bang were any good - they may have been "fresh" but many people thought them incomprehensible and nonsensical.
*sigh*
Yes, I realise that personal views come into this and notice I didn't say that everyone thought the ideas were good. What I'm saying is that if you look at Moffat's stories objectively and break down the script (treat it as an academic exercise if you will) then it does all make sense and didn't... I'm wasting my breath here aren't I? Okay, sorry folks, backing out of conversation now.
You cannot generalise that everyone thought that the ideas in The Big Bang were any good - they may have been "fresh" but many people thought them incomprehensible and nonsensical.
i think to say "many" is rather over stating the case, adam, to be fair. Certainly the vast majority enjoyed it a good deal, as per the episode poll indicates. Vocal minority would be fairer. And the thing is, that is always going to be the case ,from series 1 to series 5, there have always been a vocal minority that don't like the direction an episode/series takes.
No. I accept that many people enjoyed Series 5 but for others on here it was a crushing disappointment, especially after Moffat's Series 1, 2 and 3 stories. You cannot generalise that everyone thought that the ideas in The Big Bang were any good - they may have been "fresh" but many people thought them incomprehensible and nonsensical.
Indeed, "many people" (or at least a half dozen on this Forum) have found them "icomprehensible and nonsensical" but the "crushing disappointment" you speak of? No, I'm sorry, I personally cannot accept that - perhaps if you stopped shrouding yourself in the cloak of others and just had the balls to say these things under your own banner then I might pay you some heed but honestly, AK, just because you didn't like Series 5, why not just say so without wittering on about these "others" who apparently agree with you?
Yes, I realise that personal views come into this and notice I didn't say that everyone thought the ideas were good. What I'm saying is that if you look at Moffat's stories objectively and break down the script (treat it as an academic exercise if you will) then it does all make sense and didn't... I'm wasting my breath here aren't I? Okay, sorry folks, backing out of conversation now.
What's the "sigh" in aid of? Why are you backing out just because not everyone agrees with your views? Not really worth you being on a discussion forum is it.
Indeed, "many people" (or at least a half dozen on this Forum) have found them "icomprehensible and nonsensical" but the "crushing disappointment" you speak of? No, I'm sorry, I personally cannot accept that - perhaps if you stopped shrouding yourself in the cloak of others and just had the balls to say these things under your own banner then I might pay you some heed but honestly, AK, just because you didn't like Series 5, why not just say so without wittering on about these "others" who apparently agree with you?
hi John, I didn't like series 2. There I said loud and proud!
Indeed, "many people" (or at least a half dozen on this Forum) have found them "icomprehensible and nonsensical" but the "crushing disappointment" you speak of? No, I'm sorry, I personally cannot accept that - perhaps if you stopped shrouding yourself in the cloak of others and just had the balls to say these things under your own banner then I might pay you some heed but honestly, AK, just because you didn't like Series 5, why not just say so without wittering on about these "others" who apparently agree with you?
What on earth are you on about?!! There have been plenty of posters on here who were disappointed with Series 5. Whether or not you pay me any heed is irrelevant.
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but, honestly, how could you tell? it was only a nanosecond of a clip really!
........I will wait, then watch, then consider an opinion
they were very good with the kids, especially Matt.
Loved the trailer, can't wait!
What would you prefer? I giant cyberman stomping around Victorian London?
As for revisiting Amy in her stripper outfit and Rory as a Roman, it might just be a daft inclination but, perhaps it has something to do with the story :eek: Moffat is obviously revisiting the characters' past for some reason or another and I have full trust in him for it to be very good!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAU8lJbZ_4g
Aw DONT!!! I loved the next Doctor
must say that episode has grown on me, though mainly due to Jackson Lake, who is one of the best one-off characters since the show returned, imho, could have done with the whole episode just being about him and what the cybermen had done to his family rather than all that cyber king stuff, but yeah, on balance i like it. It's Voyage of the Damned I don't care for, it's quite dull for the most part, imho.
Thanks for this i missed it (it said it was on at 8.30 in my tv guide lol) loved it - looks very swish and expensive and glam and dramatic - and even has its own nifty tagline
(Christmas)Time can be re-written....
everything a big budget movie trailer should have - can't wait to see some more.
someone said in the Doctor Who fan thread it looked like a movie trailer, and I have to agree, it really does!
As for the trailer... I will just wait and see. But it looks good
With all due respect you have NO idea why Amy and Rory are in those outfits (and technically we've not seen Rory in the Roman outfit... AUTON Rory yes, actual Rory no) and I don't see how you can reasonably state that Moffat keeps going over the same stories time after time. At no point in Series 5 other than the, what, 30 seconds of Flesh and Stone and the opening scene with Amielia did we actively revisit a past scene. More to the point, how can anyone still have such doubts over Moffat's writing? No matter what your personal opinion or enjoyment of those stories look at his work from a purely analytical standpoint and he's brought fresh, new twists to every single story he's done for the show and (slightly less objectively) consistently delivered scripts that get talked of as classic episodes, a little faith at this point that he knows what he's doing might not be a bad idea, no?
Aaaaanyway, the trailer's got me more excited about an Xmas special than I have been since the Christmas Invasion (and then only for the new Doctor). There's clearly something interesting going on (ghost of Christmas past, Amy and Rory in old outfits (although I'd love if that's a honeymoon, uh, game that got interrupted by a crisis
Cyber-King? Cyber-king you say? Uh.... nope, sorry, don't remember that, now if you'll excuse me I have to go feed this odd crack in my wall. No idea what it is, only identifying mark is a note sorta dangling from one jaggy bit marked 'RTD bad idea destroyer'...
Voyage of the Damned was a very nice idea done in by the need to make it on a TV budget in my opinion. Disaster movies kinda need to be... well, disastrous and they didn't have the budget to put in enough scenes of it all going wrong to make it seem that way. Plus, well, if the ship was diving towards an alien world you'd wonder if it would all work out, diving towards London on Christmas Day.... yeah, not so much.
No, I for one do not have faith. I accept that many people enjoyed Series 5 but for others on here it was a crushing disappointment, especially after Moffat's Series 1, 2 and 3 stories. You cannot generalise that everyone thought that the ideas in The Big Bang were any good - they may have been "fresh" but many people thought them incomprehensible and nonsensical.
Just to throw this in... watch this clip around 1:25
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZcFnvw5HHA
Isn't it lovely when actors get involved like that
*sigh*
Yes, I realise that personal views come into this and notice I didn't say that everyone thought the ideas were good. What I'm saying is that if you look at Moffat's stories objectively and break down the script (treat it as an academic exercise if you will) then it does all make sense and didn't... I'm wasting my breath here aren't I? Okay, sorry folks, backing out of conversation now.
i think to say "many" is rather over stating the case, adam, to be fair. Certainly the vast majority enjoyed it a good deal, as per the episode poll indicates. Vocal minority would be fairer. And the thing is, that is always going to be the case ,from series 1 to series 5, there have always been a vocal minority that don't like the direction an episode/series takes.
Indeed, "many people" (or at least a half dozen on this Forum) have found them "icomprehensible and nonsensical" but the "crushing disappointment" you speak of? No, I'm sorry, I personally cannot accept that - perhaps if you stopped shrouding yourself in the cloak of others and just had the balls to say these things under your own banner then I might pay you some heed but honestly, AK, just because you didn't like Series 5, why not just say so without wittering on about these "others" who apparently agree with you?
What's the "sigh" in aid of? Why are you backing out just because not everyone agrees with your views? Not really worth you being on a discussion forum is it.
hi John, I didn't like series 2. There I said loud and proud!
What on earth are you on about?!! There have been plenty of posters on here who were disappointed with Series 5. Whether or not you pay me any heed is irrelevant.
My favourite New Who series! That's why we disagree on things.