What is so wrong about driving in the middle lane at 70mph

JeffersonJefferson Posts: 3,736
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For any length of time on motorways. If people want to drive at 80mph, 90mph, 100mph, there is a dedicated OVERTAKING LANE for the purpose of overtaking. So use the bleedin' thing!

And don't expect those doing 70mph (the speed limit) to keep hopping into the slow lane behind lorries doing 25mph, and then having to negotiate their way back into the middle lane 30 seconds later.

I can't understand all those people, like Bill Turnbull just on Room 101, complaining about people driving at 70 feeling comfortable and safe in the middle lane, not having to weave in and out. If he likes weaving in and out and exceeding te speed limit, why not use the OVERTAKING lane.

But yet again not one of the "bright people" on the show mentioned this.
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  • Richard46Richard46 Posts: 59,833
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    So what is your point exactly?
  • jenziejenzie Posts: 20,821
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    Because Speed Limit
  • rupert_pupkinrupert_pupkin Posts: 3,975
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    I agree, but there are people who think 'middle lane hoggers' are devil workers

    If there are people doing 20 mph under the limit in the left lane and people doing 20mph over the limit in the right lane, I'll happily sit at the speed limit in the middle lane. I've got places to get to aswell. If you want to break the speed limit, overtake me
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 6,279
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    This may go on for a while...
  • Richard46Richard46 Posts: 59,833
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    I agree, but there are people who think 'middle lane hoggers' are devil workers

    If there are people doing 20 mph under the limit in the left lane and people doing 20mph over the limit in the right lane, I'll happily sit at the speed limit in the middle lane. I've got places to get to aswell. If you want to break the speed limit, overtake me

    If there are slower vehicles in the left lane you are overtaking not middle lane hogging. Never heard anyone complain about that.
  • dmpdmp Posts: 3,242
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    I'd love to know which is the fast lane on any British M/W. Could someone tell me please as I thought all lanes were set to 70mph.
    Dave
  • rupert_pupkinrupert_pupkin Posts: 3,975
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    Richard46 wrote: »
    If there are slower vehicles in the left lane you are overtaking not middle lane hogging. Never heard anyone complain about that.

    I'm not overtaking, I'm staying in the middle lane so I don't have to keep overtaking every 30 seconds
  • GeordiePaulGeordiePaul Posts: 1,323
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    MLMs - Middle Lane Morons.

    Dont get many in Newcastle; Not many three lane roads here ;)

    I just undertake and get on with the rest of my day. Most of them arent even doing 70.

    Unintelligent, untalented, under confident drivers is all.
  • Richard46Richard46 Posts: 59,833
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    I'm not overtaking, I'm staying in the middle lane so I don't have to keep overtaking every 30 seconds

    If you are passing vehicles every 30 seconds then you are overtaking.
  • alan29alan29 Posts: 34,632
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    There are two overtaking lanes.
    If you are in the centre lane and are not overtaking traffic on your left, move over.
  • SaddlerSteveSaddlerSteve Posts: 4,325
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    Jefferson wrote: »
    For any length of time on motorways. If people want to drive at 80mph, 90mph, 100mph, there is a dedicated OVERTAKING LANE for the purpose of overtaking. So use the bleedin' thing!

    And don't expect those doing 70mph (the speed limit) to keep hopping into the slow lane behind lorries doing 25mph, and then having to negotiate their way back into the middle lane 30 seconds later.

    I can't understand all those people, like Bill Turnbull just on Room 101, complaining about people driving at 70 feeling comfortable and safe in the middle lane, not having to weave in and out. If he likes weaving in and out and exceeding te speed limit, why not use the OVERTAKING lane.

    But yet again not one of the "bright people" on the show mentioned this.

    If after overtaking a car in the left lane it's taking you 30 seconds to reach the next car, bearing in mind you're apparently travelling at 70mph then that's one huge gap which you should be pulling into. Being too lazy to move in and then back out just because you've decided 30 seconds isn't long enough makes you a middle lane hogger.
  • james_W85james_W85 Posts: 4,098
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    it's actually an offence to stay in the middle lane for any length of time and if police see you doing so they can issue a fixed penalty and possibly points, so that's what is wrong with doing it
  • Richard46Richard46 Posts: 59,833
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    If after overtaking a car in the left lane it's taking you 30 seconds to reach the next car, bearing in mind you're apparently travelling at 70mph then that's one huge gap which you should be pulling into. Being too lazy to move in and then back out just because you've decided 30 seconds isn't long enough makes you a middle lane hogger.

    Maybe but anyone who uses motorways knows it is not the people who don't pull into 30sec gaps that cause the real problems. It is those that never use the left lane even when there is nothing in it at all or perhaps just something in the far distance the MLHer might or might not catch up with in the next five minutes.
  • JeffersonJefferson Posts: 3,736
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    If after overtaking a car in the left lane it's taking you 30 seconds to reach the next car, bearing in mind you're apparently travelling at 70mph then that's one huge gap which you should be pulling into. Being too lazy to move in and then back out just because you've decided 30 seconds isn't long enough makes you a middle lane hogger.

    If you are doing 70 there is no point to be bobbing in and out just so someone exceeding the limit can do so without going into the overtaking lane.
  • Blondie XBlondie X Posts: 28,662
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    alan29 wrote: »
    There are two overtaking lanes.
    If you are in the centre lane and are not overtaking traffic on your left, move over.

    This. If you are not overtaking a car in the lane to your left, then you're in the wrong lane.

    Drives me mental when I drive on the 4 lane section of the M25 and the first 2 lanes are empty, the 3rd lane is full of people hogging that lane and not overtaking anything inside them and people are having to use the 4th lane because those in the 3rd lane are not using the lane system correctly.

    Driving 2 miles and hour faster than a car half a mile ahead doesn't count as overtaking either
  • rupert_pupkinrupert_pupkin Posts: 3,975
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    Blondie X wrote: »
    This. If you are not overtaking a car in the lane to your left, then you're in the wrong lane.

    Drives me mental when I drive on the 4 lane section of the M25 and the first 2 lanes are empty, the 3rd lane is full of people hogging that lane and not overtaking anything inside them and people are having to use the 4th lane because those in the 3rd lane are not using the lane system correctly

    As others have already said, if they're doing 70 in the 3rd lane then there's no problem. You can't overtake them

    If they're doing 50 then they're idiots
  • Blondie XBlondie X Posts: 28,662
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    As others have already said, if they're doing 70 in the 3rd plane then there's no problem. You can't overtake them

    If their doing 50 then they're idiots

    It is a problem as drivers should be using the furthest lane to the left unless they are overtaking. Why would anyone sit in the 3rd lane just to make a point if there is very little traffic on the 2 lanes inside of them?
  • rupert_pupkinrupert_pupkin Posts: 3,975
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    Blondie X wrote: »
    It is a problem as drivers should be using the furthest lane to the left unless they are overtaking. Why would anyone sit in the 3rd lane just to make a point if there is very little traffic on the 2 lanes inside of them?

    You missed my point. If they're doing 70 then you would have to break the speed limit to overtake them. So you're accusing somebody of bad motorway etiquette when you're breaking the speed limit
  • Richard46Richard46 Posts: 59,833
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    You missed my point. If they're doing 70 then you would have to break the speed limit to overtake them. So you're accusing somebody of bad motorway etiquette when you're breaking the speed limit

    Not 'etiquette' its following the guidance in the Highway code;

    264

    You should always drive in the left-hand lane when the road ahead is clear. If you are overtaking a number of slower-moving vehicles, you should return to the left-hand lane as soon as you are safely past.


    The speed of other vehicles is irrelevant.
  • duckyluckyduckylucky Posts: 13,845
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    I'm not overtaking, I'm staying in the middle lane so I don't have to keep overtaking every 30 seconds

    If you are overtaking every 30 seconds then you are overtaking
    And if you knew the rules of the road you would know if your are not overtaking you should move into thd left lane
  • rupert_pupkinrupert_pupkin Posts: 3,975
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    Richard46 wrote: »
    Not 'etiquette' its following the guidance in the Highway code;

    264

    You should always drive in the left-hand lane when the road ahead is clear. If you are overtaking a number of slower-moving vehicles, you should return to the left-hand lane as soon as you are safely past.


    The speed of other vehicles is irrelevant.

    The speed limit is also in the Highway Code. If they're doing 70 on the 3rd lane with the first two empty, they're not obstructing anybody. Unless somebody is doing 80 in the 3rd lane, in which case it's one rule breaker obstructing another rule breaker

    It's like complaining that somebody parked illegally outside a bank is blocking a bank robbers getaway car
  • Blondie XBlondie X Posts: 28,662
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    You missed my point. If they're doing 70 then you would have to break the speed limit to overtake them. So you're accusing somebody of bad motorway etiquette when you're breaking the speed limit

    I didn't miss your point, I was just telling you what the highway code says. The speed of other drivers isn't down to you to control by driving in the incorrect lane
  • rupert_pupkinrupert_pupkin Posts: 3,975
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    Blondie X wrote: »
    I didn't miss your point, I was just telling you what the highway code says. The speed of other drivers isn't down to you to control by driving in the incorrect lane

    The correct use of lanes isn't down to you to control by driving over the speed limit either
  • bart4858bart4858 Posts: 11,430
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    alan29 wrote: »
    There are two overtaking lanes.
    If you are in the centre lane and are not overtaking traffic on your left, move over.

    Yes, when there is light to medium traffic.

    When it's heavy, then all lanes need to be full of vehicles to manage the volume of traffic, then they are not overtaking lanes; they are just lanes.

    (It would be chaotic if every vehicle was continuously striving to stay in the nearside lane. For one lane to contain all the traffic, speeds would have to drop to near zero, so that the stopping distances are reduced enough in order to fit all the cars in. That is what happens when two lanes out of three are closed - you get a massive traffic jam - but is silly when all lanes are clear.

    Otherwise with four lanes, are there supposed to be three overtaking lanes?! It would be interesting to see one vehicle simultaneosly overtaking another which is overtaking another which is overtaking another ... then they all move back into lane one!)
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 6,279
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    You missed my point. If they're doing 70 then you would have to break the speed limit to overtake them. So you're accusing somebody of bad motorway etiquette when you're breaking the speed limit
    That's if they're really doing 70. Nine times out of ten they're not.
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