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Why do some professionals always get the poor skaters and others the best.
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This came up on another thread regarding Vicky Ogden, she seems like a really nice person, yet has been partnered with than her fair share of duffers. She also seems to be a good skater.
Brianne on the other hand usually gets the more talented celebs, as does Daniel.
Brianne on the other hand usually gets the more talented celebs, as does Daniel.
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Maybe because Brianne is willing to do anything to win (showmance).
And I bet if Sylvian Longchambon takes part next year he'll get another pretty youngish celeb and the focus will be on 'are they, aren't they.'
I just hope if Vicky Ogden and Mark Hanretty are back next year - they're both given a chance with decent celebs, I think they deserve a chance to shine.
It would be nice to see Robin, Jenna and Olga back next year too.
Totally agree with both of these points. They will need to pave the way for her to get her win again next year. :cool:
Since Vicky is mentioned I'll go with her I wonder if the reason she gets I'm not going to go with duffers as such but lets say the less able is AFAIK Vicky has been a solo skater rather than pairs, dance or adagio. I could be wrong but I don't ever recall seeing mention of her skating with partners anywhere.
Generally Vicky has mostly done solo stuff on the tour with her fire acts and although she has obviously paired up with other pros for pro routines I don't recall seeing her do any of the big tricks.
It could be that Vicky is maybe not as able to do the big lifts and tricks of the girls who are trained as pairs skaters so rather than perhaps limit a better male pro who is able to do these things they give her to the ones who are not as up to it but can manage some of the easier/smaller lifts and make them look good.
I do like Vicky and would like to see her do well and I could be completely wrong and it is just a theory but may also explain part of how the pairings work. It is also maybe based on what the pro is capable of as much as the celeb.
Brianne is a smoker. Both Sam and Matt are smokers. I wonder if they pair up smokers with smokers so that they can stand each other and go and have a **** together when needed.
Agreed. Sady I don't think Olga will be back next year. Imperial Ice Stars are doing a Nutcracker On Ice show in November near me & Olga told me on twitter that she was performing in that. November is usually when the pros & celebs start training together so that will rule her out.
she's single and up for being passed around for the latest showmance
personally I find her skatting too harsh and aggressive and she totally overacts
Exactly Topaz and there is nothing wrong with the pros really, its the judges that have spoilt the show for me sadly my friend.
Am back posting by the way.
my take on things - Vicky is a better teacher than Brianne so she gets the less talented celebs and actually teaches them to skate
I dont really rate Brianne as a teacher so maybe they give her the celebs who can actually skate and therefore dont need teaching
Not really fair IMO - I would love to see what Vicky could do with a celeb who could skate - fingers crossed she gets one so we can find out
Aww that's a shame - I didn't watch the first series when she was with Barrowman although I've seen clips of it on youtube and I gather they had a shock exit. I know Keith was good and her friendly, warm partnership made him even more enjoyable to watch, but it would have been good to see what she could do with a talented younger celeb. I suppose DOI is just a bit of fun though and the show you mentioned is more of a serious challenge for her. Good luck to Olga and I hope all goes well for her future.
Hi Tall Paul
Yes the judges have really spoilt this series. It was unbelievable the way they reacted to Beth and Dan's victory :eek: Such an insult to all the hard work they put in. I'd suggest the producers should have a word with them but sadly I think they were complicit in trying to manipulate the public to vote for Matt and Brianne. Luckily it backfired
I agree with OP its time Vicky got a good one and Mark Hanretty too.
Dan got stuck with Kerry Katona remember, I'm not his biggest fan but I think he genuinely likes people and knows how to get their personal best out of them.
This basically. Her habit of having showmances with her celeb partners brings in headlines for the show. I'd love to see her get an older male Joe Pasquele type next year, but she'll get another young hunk mark my words. The same goes for Sylvain, he'll get another young and sexy female.
Dan has a had a few good ones, but also had a few duds like KK and Coleen. Matt tends to get a lot of good partners as well.
The thing I like about Strictly is that bar Anton. who always gets the token older lady, the pros get a much fairer selection of partners.
Based on that post could it theefore be argued that whoever decides who gets who is maybe being unfaair
Edit - Dan did not get Coleen - though maybe he should have had Coleen - It was Stuart Widdall who got Coleen
If they have a pro who is not as confident in doing those things then they may not be as able to adapt if something goes wrong. Just a thought i.e if a lift was starting to go wrong experienced pairs pros know how to adapt Vicky for example wouldn't be able to adapt as quickly and could end up injured.
That could be why she seems to get the "duffers" they are able to do the simple lifts etc. I don't think its they don't want her to do well its maybe working within her limitations as well as the celebs. Whereas I guess someone like Brianne who is experienced gets the celebs that are capable of the big tricks.
Pairings I think are pretty much decided by T&D so they maybe look at what the pro skaters are capable of as well as what the celebs are capable of as well as the usual stuff like heights personalities etc.
The thing is Brianne has done very well for partners - and couldn't Matt have been given to someone who had not done so well, and Brianne could have been given someone like Joe
My point is though you may have a celeb who is capable of big lifts like Matt or of doing tricks well like Beth but what if the pro you pair them with isn't as such?
Fair enough Matt could have been paired with say Olga or someone else but if the pro doesn't have sufficient experience in say lifts then it is not going to work. You have to be careful that the pro is experienced enough to be able to make everything work properly. If they are not "show" skaters or proper pairs skaters then doing some of the stuff may be trickier. Using Mark as well as he is another people complain about being hard done by. I believe he has only done ice dance and I don't take anything away from him for that as I love watching proper ice dance but I don't know if Mark has actually performed in shows as such to have the experience of doing "adagio" type stuff which again might explain why he has been paired with who he has been paired with. When you look at the celebs Mark has been paired with they have been more suited to his style perhaps and that is the reason for the pairings.
I admit Brianne should/could potentially be paired with someone of a lesser ability but I don't think she would do the show if that happened especially given the stroppy temper tantrums she has had over coming second can you honestly imagine how she would be if she got voted out early?
I could be completely wrong but I think the pro's ability is one of the deciding factors and whereas yes you can easily give a duff to one of the better pros it risks leaving perhaps less able/experienced pros trying to work with celebs who want to try risky moves.
Although if that were the case shouldn't pros of similar abilities and backgrounds be hired to even the playing field so to speak?
Probably size as well fitting pros to female celebs? . A big tall hunking male pro is going to be needed for taller heavier females if they are going to do much. On the other hand, the top girls have all been 4-11 to 5-3 ,but need someone tall enough, as well as skilled enough, to use that in lifts. The people in the middle of the size and capability range may just end up with someone who fits their capability. There's also the geographic question which dictates for some who gets whom, and a possible coincidence that a lot of northern and northern based female actors seem to have done a lot of dancing and are the ideal size.
If that is the case isn't the show better off without her
It wouldn't be the end of the world IMO if she didn't reappear on our screens anytime soon.
I think there are a lot of pro skaters out there equally the same standard as her or bring back some of the other pros from previous years, obviously it would be good to see Nina come back but even others like Florentine or I would to see Brooke or Molly come back and get another shot at it.
I would love Florentine to come back - and replace Brianne