Horse Racing Systems

DartGuruDartGuru Posts: 2,893
Forum Member
✭✭✭
Rather than overloading the Horse Racing thread, I've started a new one for anyone interested to post and keep track of their selections.

I'll post my own system details in a minute with the latest stats and today's picks.

Feel free to join in if you're interested.
«13456748

Comments

  • DartGuruDartGuru Posts: 2,893
    Forum Member
    ✭✭✭
    So, I have two systems running one for cross-doubles for two horses in each of two races (called 2x) and one for cross-trebles for two horses in each of three races (called 3x). Using the 1-pt system, the 2x costs 4pts per bet and the 3x system costs 8pts per bet.

    The factor for qualifying races is whether identical scenarios in type of race, conditions, number of runners and so on has proven profitable since 2007. The final qualifying criteria is the price. The favourite must be no shorter than 5/4 and the difference between the 2nd and 3rd favourite must be at least .75pt.

    Up to and including yesterday the stats are as follows:-

    2x
    7 wins from 20 bets
    Total Stake 80 pts, Total Return 136.16 pts
    P/L +56.16 ROI 70.20%

    3x
    1 win from 3 bets
    Total Stake 24 pts, Total Return 30 pts
    P/L +6.00 ROI 25.00%
  • DartGuruDartGuru Posts: 2,893
    Forum Member
    ✭✭✭
    Finally, tidying up todays selections and making the prices changes due to NR, this means some races don't now qualify, but I'll stick with them as I'd already posted them up.

    2x - Bet 1 with Bet365
    Warwick 345 Finding Your Feet 9/4 Bathwick Man 5/2
    Bangor 400 Kings Grace 10/11 Dunowen Point NR

    2x - Bet 2 with Bet365
    Clonmel 215 Egyptian Warrior 5/4 War Of The Pennys 9/4
    Clonmel 245 Collen Beag 11/10 Vote Of Confidence NR

    2x - Bet 3 with Bet365
    Clonmel 315 Captain Carleton 6/4 Alileo 2/1
    Warwick 520 Always Managing 6/4 Lady Of Longstone 15/8

    2x - Bet 4 with BetVictor
    Bangor 325 Tidal Way 7/4 Devon Drum 7/2
    Southwell 335 Viking Ridge 13/8 Tregaro 11/4

    3x- Bet 1 with SkyBet
    Warwick 345 Finding Your Feet 9/4 Bathwick Man 5/2
    Bangor 400 Kings Grace 10/11 Dunowen Point NR
    Warwick 520 Always Managing 11/8 Lady Of Longstone 13/8

    3x - Bet 2 with Bet365
    Clonmel 215 Egyptian Warrior 5/4 War Of The Pennys 9/4
    Clonmel 245 Collen Beag 11/10 Vote Of Confidence NR
    Clonmel 315 Captain Carleton 6/4 Alileo 2/1

    3x - Bet 3 with BetVictor
    Bangor 325 Tidal Way 7/4 Devon Drum 7/2
    Bangor 500 Laika 2/1 Carrigeen Lantana 100/30
    Kempton 745 Clergyman 13/8 Little Palaver 9/4
  • swingalegswingaleg Posts: 103,093
    Forum Member
    ✭✭✭✭
    After following DG's selections for a few days I thought I'd have a crack at formulating a cross double system and I came up with the following selection criteria......

    single figure fields
    no odds on favourites
    only 2 horses under 5/1
    odds as with Stan James only (it's my only online account)

    the idea is to find races where it appears to be between two horses (hence only 2 runners under 5/1) without one of them beings a lot more fancied than the other (no odds on). The single figure field provision is simply to reduce the inherent chaos in big field races (getting boxed in, not finding a run, being brought down over jumps etc)

    First selections lost

    Today's selection....both races at Kempton, prices with Stan James (BOG)

    7.15,

    The steward 2/1
    Never to be 3/1

    7.45

    Little Palaver 7/4
    Clergyman 2/1
  • DartGuruDartGuru Posts: 2,893
    Forum Member
    ✭✭✭
    Price updated Clonmel 245 Collen Beag reduces to about 4/6 with NR
  • DartGuruDartGuru Posts: 2,893
    Forum Member
    ✭✭✭
    Not a good day, again. three 2x bets had one winner from 2, one of the 3x bets had two winners from 3. However a couple of NR meant at least something got returned.

    My maths might let me down here but 3x bet 1 returned 9/4 and 6/4 winners with a NR = 8.13 pts

    2x bet 1 returned a 9/4 winner with a NR and bet 2 an 11/8 winner with a NR = 3.24 pts and 2.38 pts

    2x
    9 wins from 24 bets
    Total Stake 96 pts, Total Return 141.78 pts
    P/L +45.78 ROI 47.69%

    3x
    2win from 6 bets
    Total Stake 48 pts, Total Return 38.13 pts
    P/L -9.87 ROI -20.56%
  • swingalegswingaleg Posts: 103,093
    Forum Member
    ✭✭✭✭
    Same story for me as the previous day..........one race won, one race lost

    I can see this being very frustrating.......:D
  • DartGuruDartGuru Posts: 2,893
    Forum Member
    ✭✭✭
    Some picks for today

    2x Bet 1 with Ladbrokes
    Hexham 440 Claragh Native 5/2 Morning Time 11/4
    Fontwell 530 Glowinginthedark 11/8 Third Act 7/4

    2x Bet 2 with BetVictor
    Hexham 540 West End 9/4 Presenting Junior 9/2
    Dundalk 710 Farmleigh House 3/1 Masai 100/30

    3x Bet 1 with BetVictor
    Hexham 440 Claragh Native 5/2 Morning Time 11/4
    Fontwell 530 Glowinginthedark 11/8 Third Act 7/4
    Hexham 540 West End 9/4 Presenting Junior 9/2
  • swingalegswingaleg Posts: 103,093
    Forum Member
    ✭✭✭✭
    I've only got 3 qualifying races as of this minute.....

    Font 3.15
    Pure Style 2/1
    Kuda Haraa 10/3


    Hex 3.30
    Wakanda 5/2
    Book of Excuses 4/1


    Hex 4.40
    Claragh native 5/2
    Morning time 3/1


    I've gone for the Fontwell 3.15 and Hexham 4.40 for my selection today
  • DartGuruDartGuru Posts: 2,893
    Forum Member
    ✭✭✭
    Only four races that fitted the bill today, and two came in but not together. Disappointingly 2x Bet 2 started out with a 5/1 winner, but the second race didn't come good to make it a winning bet.


    2x
    9 wins from 26 bets
    Total Stake 104 pts, Total Return 141.78 pts
    P/L +37.78 ROI 36.33%

    3x
    2win from 7 bets
    Total Stake 56 pts, Total Return 38.13 pts
    P/L -17.87 ROI -31.91%
  • swingalegswingaleg Posts: 103,093
    Forum Member
    ✭✭✭✭
    mine flopped as well........both my legs lost !

    I might give this a break over the weekend whilst there's decent racing to concentrate on
  • DartGuruDartGuru Posts: 2,893
    Forum Member
    ✭✭✭
    Todays picks

    2x Bet 1 with B365
    Gowran 225 Credulous 6/4 Lone Star 11/4
    Ascot 240 Encke 11/8 Pethers Moon 3/1

    2x Bet 2 with B365
    Gowran 300 Akorakor 2/1 Moores Road 5/2
    Newmarket 405 Arhcery Peak 11/4 Aloft 5/2

    2x Bet 3 with B365
    Fontwell 430 The Kings Assassin 13/8 Orsm 5/2
    Gowran 445 Road To Riches 7/4 Sizing Europe 2/1

    2x Bet 4 with Paddy Power
    Wolves 630 Rictrude 9/4 Ar Colleen Aime 5/2
    Wolves 730 Tinghir 11/4 Devilment 7/2


    I'll put up some 3x ones if I get time later but, as swing says, there's some good racing today.
  • Darren LethemDarren Lethem Posts: 61,650
    Forum Member
    ✭✭
    I think it's safe to say Jim McGraths job is safe ;)
  • DartGuruDartGuru Posts: 2,893
    Forum Member
    ✭✭✭
    3x bet 1 on bet365
    Font 215. lily Waugh 5/4. Mile house 11/4
    Gowran 225 Credulous 13/8 lone star 3/1
    Ascot 240 encke 11/8 pethers moon 3/1
  • DartGuruDartGuru Posts: 2,893
    Forum Member
    ✭✭✭
    3x bet 2 on bet365
    Gowran 300 akorakor 6/4 Moore's road 15/8
    Font 320 henryville 9/4 workbench 5/2
    Newm 405 archery peak 9/4 aloft 11/4

    3x bet 3 on bet365
    Font 430 kings assassin 13/8 orsm 5/2
    Gowran 445 road to riches 11/8 sizing Europe 2/1
    Font 535 fountains blossom 13/8 father Edward 13/8
  • swingalegswingaleg Posts: 103,093
    Forum Member
    ✭✭✭✭
    I decided to have another go........:D

    Font 3.55

    Up for an Oscar 5/2
    The nephew 11/4


    Font 4.30

    The kings assassin 7/4
    Orsm 5/2
  • swingalegswingaleg Posts: 103,093
    Forum Member
    ✭✭✭✭
    I'm getting a bit fed up with this now.........another good winner followed by a loser

    >:(

    I might carry on trying to find some selections but I'm going to stop backing them .......which of course means they'll now start winning !.......:D
  • DartGuruDartGuru Posts: 2,893
    Forum Member
    ✭✭✭
    The frustrating part is getting one from two (or two from three).
    Today all three of my 3x went down, and all three had two winners.
    Of my four 2x bets the first three failed due to getting one winner from two, then finally the 4th had a 5/2 and 11/4 double at 13.13 pts.
    Still, another negative day, but oh so close again.

    2x
    10 wins from 30 bets
    Total Stake 120 pts, Total Return 154.91 pts
    P/L +34.91 ROI 29.09%

    3x
    2 wins from 10 bets
    Total Stake 80 pts, Total Return 38.13 pts
    P/L -41.87 ROI -52.34%
  • DartGuruDartGuru Posts: 2,893
    Forum Member
    ✭✭✭
    Today' picks are all with Paddy Power

    2x Bet 1
    Tipp 205 Vilman 5/4 Ivanovich Gorbatov 100/30
    Hunt 225 The Last Night 3/1 Saddlers Deal 3/1

    2x Bet 2
    Kelso 355 Spirit Oscar 2/1 Gold Chain 2/1
    Tipp 525 Indevan 11/8 Blacklough 7/2

    3x Bet 1
    Kelso 315 Big Sound 15/8 Dotties Dilemma 3/1
    Hunt 340 Lysino 11/8 Admiral Hawke 100/30
    Kelso 355 Spirit Oscar 2/1 Gold Chain 2/1

    3x Bet 2
    Kelso 200 Endeavour 11/4 Sleep In First 3/1
    Tipp 205 Vilman 5/4 Ivanovich Gorbatov 100/30
    Hunt 225 The Last Night 3/1 Saddlers Deal 3/1

    3x Bet 3
    Utt 250 Minella Present 11/8 Filatore 2/1
    Utt 430 Famousandfearless 9/4 Favoured Nation 11/4
    Tipp 525 Indevan 11/8 Blacklough 7/2
  • DartGuruDartGuru Posts: 2,893
    Forum Member
    ✭✭✭
    2x - one winner in each again = -8pts
    3x - one winner in one, two winners in another (gutting deciding race cost 36pts) then a winning bet returns 15.58 pts (after deductions) = -8.42pts

    2x stats
    10 wins from 32 bets
    Total Stake 128 pts, Total Return 154.91 pts
    P/L +26.91 ROI 21.02%
    (now down to the targetted ROI so could do with a win now)

    3x stats
    3 wins from 13 bets
    Total Stake 104 pts, Total Return 53.71 pts
    P/L -50.29 ROI -48.36%
  • DartGuruDartGuru Posts: 2,893
    Forum Member
    ✭✭✭
    Week 29-Sep to 05-Oct was a bit up-and-down with a lot of near misses.

    2x weekly performance
    6 wins from 21 bets
    Total Stake 84 pts, Total Return 75.08 pts
    P/L -8.92 ROI -10.62%

    3x weekly performance
    As this didn't start until 30-Sep the weekly stats were the whole stats
    3 wins from 13 bets
    Total Stake 104 pts, Total Return 53.71 pts
    P/L -50.29 ROI -48.36%

    Overall stats and the starting point for week 06-Oct to 12-Oct

    2x Stats
    10 wins from 32 bets
    Total Stake 128 pts, Total Return 154.91 pts
    P/L +26.91 ROI 21.02%

    3x Stats
    3 wins from 13 bets
    Total Stake 104 pts, Total Return 53.71 pts
    P/L -50.29 ROI -48.36%
  • DartGuruDartGuru Posts: 2,893
    Forum Member
    ✭✭✭
    I've slightly revised the qualifying criteria by increasing the minimum odds to 7/4 (may permit 6/4 to make up a bet later) and too not worry too much about the price difference between the 2nd and 3rd favourites. Retrofitting this doesn't make much difference to the ROI or the qualifying races, but does increase the minimum return on a winning bet by about 50%.

    With the rain and wind I can see there being a lot of NR and a bit of a lottery on the picks, but here goes....

    2x Bet 1 with PP
    Windsor 320 Dalgig 7/4 Henry The Aviator 11/4
    Stratford 500 Canicallyouback 2/1 I'm A Joker 9/4

    3x Bet 1 with PP
    Windsor 320 Dalgig 7/4 Henry The Aviator 11/4
    Pontefract 410 Mr McLaren 2/1 Pigeon Pie 11/4
    Stratford 500 Canicallyouback 2/1 I'm A Joker 9/4
  • DartGuruDartGuru Posts: 2,893
    Forum Member
    ✭✭✭
    2x Bet 2 with BetVictor
    Pontefract 210 Oceanographer 7/4 Ventura Castle 5/2
    Pontefract 510 Fallen In Line 2/1 Isabella Bird 9/4

    note (NR in Windsor 320 makes no difference to quoted prices)
  • DartGuruDartGuru Posts: 2,893
    Forum Member
    ✭✭✭
    One final bet with one just out of range
    3x Bet 2 with Skybet
    Pontefract 210 Oceanographer 7/4 Ventura Castle 5/2
    Stratford 330 Mystery Drama 6/4 Princess Caetani 15/8
    Pontefract 510 Fallen In Line 2/1 Isabella Bird 9/4
  • DartGuruDartGuru Posts: 2,893
    Forum Member
    ✭✭✭
    Well that started well, the first two came in (but not in the same bet) then diddly squat with the others. I'm spotting a theme.

    2x Stats
    10 wins from 34 bets
    Total Stake 136 pts, Total Return 154.91 pts
    P/L +18.91 ROI +13.90%

    3x Stats
    3 wins from 15 bets
    Total Stake 120 pts, Total Return 53.71 pts
    P/L -66.29 ROI -55.24%
  • DartGuruDartGuru Posts: 2,893
    Forum Member
    ✭✭✭
    Doesn't look like there's many qualifying races around today

    2x Bet 1 with BetVictor

    Tipperary 355 Perfect Gentleman 15/8 Festive Felon 11/4
    Tipperary 525 Roi Des Francs 5/2 Paper Lantern 9/2
Sign In or Register to comment.