That was just one of many articles I can find about it. They supported Hitler and the Nazi party during most of the war. I don't think they supported the holocaust.
But they didn`t support Hitler and the nazi party during most of the war. That is a lie. The Catholic church did more to halt the rise of nazism than all the other European churches combined.
Hitler despised the Catholic church, yet had no issue with protestantism, or the British royal family.
But they didn`t support Hitler and the nazi party during most of the war. That is a lie. The Catholic church did more to halt the rise of nazism than all the other European churches combined.
Hitler despised the Catholic church, yet had no issue with protestantism, or the British royal family.
Why was that?
They certainly supported them before the war, and remained neutral during the war. They were pro-nazi to begin with.
"By the time of his death ... Pius XI had managed to orchestrate a swelling chorus of Church protests against the racial legislation and the ties that bound Italy to Germany. He had single-mindedly continued to denounce the evils of the nazi regime at every possible opportunity and feared above all else the re-opening of the rift between Church and State in his beloved Italy. He had, however, few tangible successes. There had been little improvement in the position of the Church in Germany and there was growing hostility to the Church in Italy on the part of the fascist regime. Almost the only positive result of the last years of his pontificate was a closer relationship with the liberal democracies and yet, even this was seen by many as representing a highly partisan stance on the part of the Pope. In the age of appeasement, the pugnacious obstinancy of Pius XI was held to be contributing more to the polarization of Europe than to its pacification."
He actually didn't manage to do very much at all to prevent the rise of National Socialism; what litle he DID do was attempt to guarantee some functions and rights of the Church in the fae of an all-consuming tyranny. And I have to say - looking after your own isn't really doing much to prevent the growth of the threat against you....
He had lots of issues with "protestantism", inasmuch as there was no overall Protestant Church or doctrine in 1930s Germany.
...or the British royal family.
It would be wrong to say that; he had plenty of problems with it, or ANY royal family; what he DID admire however was the governing function of the British Empire/Raj as a way of dealing with all the issues of governing a miscellaneous hodge-podge of occupied nations
Definitely not true : read the Wikipedia entry on "the Catholic Church and Nazi Germany". They often denounced the Nazis and Pope Pius saved thousands, maybe even hundreds of thousands of Jews from extermination.
Many Catholic clergy ended up in concentration camps and it was Hitler's aim to destroy Catholicism had he won the war.
That entry deserves great scrutiny because it's not an impartial and detailed analysis by eminent academic historians. The conduct of all the churches in Germany and Austria left a lot to be desired with the honourable exceptions of the Confessing Church and the Jehovah's Witnesses.
Indeed, not only was Eugenio Pacelli (later Pius XII) involved in drawing up the Reichskonkordat agreement with the Nazi regime, he was also remarkably silent in respect of criticisms of Nazi ideology, atrocities and genocide. That was a complete abrogation of spiritual leadership and a wilful ignoring of Christ's own teaching as set out in the parable of the good Samaritan because Pius XII turned the other way and walked on by.
He might not have saved millions by speaking out against Nazi atrocities but he would probably have saved housands and he would have demonstrated great moral and spiritual leadership. However, he did not do that and I regard Eugenio Pacelli as nothing less than a squalid moral coward who completely failed the test of history.
That said, there were many decent, brave and honourable Catholic priests and bishops who not only did speak out but also acted to help the oppressed. Many of those good people ended up being interned in Nazi concentration camps or being murdered by the Nazis. I only have the highest respect for individuals such as that.
Maybe not the building, no but the Church is "the people". Without faith in anything would those people have been meeting together? I wouldn't have thought so.
What you believe doesn't make you a good or bad person.
So you cannot really make out that the only reason you got help was because those people were religious, can you? There are lots of charities that are non religious, and people can be charitable regardless of what they believe, right?
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But they didn`t support Hitler and the nazi party during most of the war. That is a lie. The Catholic church did more to halt the rise of nazism than all the other European churches combined.
Hitler despised the Catholic church, yet had no issue with protestantism, or the British royal family.
Why was that?
They certainly supported them before the war, and remained neutral during the war. They were pro-nazi to begin with.
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He actually didn't manage to do very much at all to prevent the rise of National Socialism; what litle he DID do was attempt to guarantee some functions and rights of the Church in the fae of an all-consuming tyranny. And I have to say - looking after your own isn't really doing much to prevent the growth of the threat against you....
The Catholic church don`t take sides in war. They are a Church.
I have seen far more evidence to support the idea that the British establishment and Royal family were nazi supporters before the war.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler
He had lots of issues with "protestantism", inasmuch as there was no overall Protestant Church or doctrine in 1930s Germany.
It would be wrong to say that; he had plenty of problems with it, or ANY royal family; what he DID admire however was the governing function of the British Empire/Raj as a way of dealing with all the issues of governing a miscellaneous hodge-podge of occupied nations
The Catholic Church took sides in many wars.
I wonder if anyone told Urban II that...:eek:
That entry deserves great scrutiny because it's not an impartial and detailed analysis by eminent academic historians. The conduct of all the churches in Germany and Austria left a lot to be desired with the honourable exceptions of the Confessing Church and the Jehovah's Witnesses.
Indeed, not only was Eugenio Pacelli (later Pius XII) involved in drawing up the Reichskonkordat agreement with the Nazi regime, he was also remarkably silent in respect of criticisms of Nazi ideology, atrocities and genocide. That was a complete abrogation of spiritual leadership and a wilful ignoring of Christ's own teaching as set out in the parable of the good Samaritan because Pius XII turned the other way and walked on by.
He might not have saved millions by speaking out against Nazi atrocities but he would probably have saved housands and he would have demonstrated great moral and spiritual leadership. However, he did not do that and I regard Eugenio Pacelli as nothing less than a squalid moral coward who completely failed the test of history.
That said, there were many decent, brave and honourable Catholic priests and bishops who not only did speak out but also acted to help the oppressed. Many of those good people ended up being interned in Nazi concentration camps or being murdered by the Nazis. I only have the highest respect for individuals such as that.
Well, you have just said So you cannot really make out that the only reason you got help was because those people were religious, can you? There are lots of charities that are non religious, and people can be charitable regardless of what they believe, right?