Family Stopped From Boarding 1st Class Flight With 'Disruptive' Down's Syndrome Son

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  • Si_CreweSi_Crewe Posts: 40,202
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    d'@ve wrote: »
    I said why - it's because they are like children not drunk adults. Do the airline ban children with their parents from first class if their child is noisy and exciteable in the check-in area? Probably not, in almost all cases.

    Of course they will.
    They'll ban or relocate anybody who they think might be disruptive.

    The whole thing with "1st class" is really a bit of a red-herring.
    The issue is simply that the pilots sit right in front of 1st-class so a wailing baby or an unruly kid or a drunken adult has the potential to distract the pilots.

    I suppose it might be for the best if the planes were redesigned with 1st class at the back in order to avoid these sort of allegations but it'd be much simpler for people to just use a bit of common sense instead.
  • d'@ved'@ve Posts: 45,515
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    Si_Crewe wrote: »
    Of course they will.
    They'll ban or relocate anybody who they think might be disruptive.

    The whole thing with "1st class" is really a bit of a red-herring.
    The issue is simply that the pilots sit right in front of 1st-class so a wailing baby or an unruly kid or a drunken adult has the potential to distract the pilots.

    Even a wailing baby? Oh come on! And why haven't they said that then? There are a lot of assumptions being made here...
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    Si_Crewe wrote: »
    The whole thing with "1st class" is really a bit of a red-herring.
    The issue is simply that the pilots sit right in front of 1st-class so a wailing baby or an unruly kid or a drunken adult has the potential to distract the pilots.

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    Ah, but you can't bring wailing babies into the equation. Babies are not banned from first class (though few parents take them there) and it is in the nature of babies to wail. And it's not as if anyone has access to the pilot's area these days; since 9-11 no one can get in there at all.
  • Auld SnodyAuld Snody Posts: 15,171
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    Si_Crewe wrote: »
    No, you THINK the airline appears to think like that.

    Unless you're a rep' for AA, you're posting your personal opinion.

    did you miss my use of appears.
    And I used the word said because you were trying to claim otherwise. I was pointing out to you what I said. English is a great language
  • Auld SnodyAuld Snody Posts: 15,171
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    Si_Crewe wrote: »
    Of course they will.
    They'll ban or relocate anybody who they think might be disruptive.

    The whole thing with "1st class" is really a bit of a red-herring.
    The issue is simply that the pilots sit right in front of 1st-class so a wailing baby or an unruly kid or a drunken adult has the potential to distract the pilots.

    I suppose it might be for the best if the planes were redesigned with 1st class at the back in order to avoid these sort of allegations but it'd be much simpler for people to just use a bit of common sense instead.

    How many planes have open cockpits?
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    d'@ve wrote: »
    Even a wailing baby? Oh come on! And why haven't they said that then? There are a lot of assumptions being made here...

    Yeah, that's a bit silly. I'm not sure that a baby would be able to cry so loudly that an emergency landing was needed and I've had three babies. I'm pretty sure it's more to do with banging on the cockpit doors and what not.
  • Si_CreweSi_Crewe Posts: 40,202
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    d'@ve wrote: »
    Even a wailing baby? Oh come on! And why haven't they said that then? There are a lot of assumptions being made here...

    But they have said that.
    Mr Vanderhorst says the family was warned their son's behavior was a concern because their first class seat was too close to the cockpit and a distraction to the pilot could cause a mid-flight emergency landing.

    Trouble is, of course, that if somebody said "Look, you can go and sit in the back if you like" it'd only reinforce the fallacy that it's part of some grand scheme to keep the riff-raff out of 1st class when that's not the case.
    It's simply about avoiding distractions to the pilots.... who happen to be seated just in front of 1st class.
  • tremetreme Posts: 5,445
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    nanscombe wrote: »
    Apart from the fact that he just happens to have the size, weight and strength of a 16 year old.

    Absolutely. Downs' Syndrome kids are really strong. One I know loves to pick me up every time I see him.

    Edit: To clarify. I mean physically pick me up, not collect me in his car. He hasn't got a driving licence.
  • Si_CreweSi_Crewe Posts: 40,202
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    Auld Snody wrote: »
    How many planes have open cockpits?

    Last time I checked, millions.
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    Si_Crewe wrote: »
    Last time I checked, millions.

    An AA flight certainly wouldn't though.
  • Wynne EvansWynne Evans Posts: 1,066
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    Couldn't find a thread on this, sorry if it's been posted before.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2198317/American-Airlines-refused-family-class-seats-captain-claimed-Downs-syndrome-son-disruptive.html

    Anyone with an aversion to DM links can view a KTLA news report here

    AA are with their rights to refuse to carry any disruptive passenger be it a child or adult with or without disabilities, people pay extra for 1st class for a reason
  • Si_CreweSi_Crewe Posts: 40,202
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    An AA flight certainly wouldn't though.

    You know what they say; "Ask a stupid question..." ;)
  • d'@ved'@ve Posts: 45,515
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    Si_Crewe wrote: »
    But they have said that.

    Trouble is, of course, that if somebody said "Look, you can go and sit in the back if you like" it'd only reinforce the fallacy that it's part of some grand scheme to keep the riff-raff out of 1st class when that's not the case.
    It's simply about avoiding distractions to the pilots.... who happen to be seated just in front of 1st class.

    I think it is EXACTLY that, though I would never describe someone with a learning disability as "riff-raff! because they aren't. The distraction to the pilot thing smacks of an excuse to cover up a misjudgement - nice try American Airlines but nope.

    And where are the reports of adults with noisy babies or other young children being refused seats in first class? Where are they?
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    AA are with their rights to refuse to carry any disruptive passenger be it a child or adult with or without disabilities, people pay extra for 1st class for a reason

    Which is?
    I have a friend who flies nothing but first class with her child because her family can afford it. Children are not banned from first class flights.
  • Wynne EvansWynne Evans Posts: 1,066
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    Auld Snody wrote: »
    You should read the whole thing . they had upgraded to 1st class. It seems that children wth Downs are not welcome in 1st class. Probably worried that he would put people off their champagne

    Never let the facts get in the way of a good rant
  • Auld SnodyAuld Snody Posts: 15,171
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    Si_Crewe wrote: »
    Last time I checked, millions.

    So commercial passenger airlines have open cockpits, as per this thread:D
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    Si_Crewe wrote: »
    You know what they say; "Ask a stupid question..." ;)

    Point taken sir!
  • Auld SnodyAuld Snody Posts: 15,171
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    Never let the facts get in the way of a good rant

    LOL:D
  • Si_CreweSi_Crewe Posts: 40,202
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    d'@ve wrote: »
    And where are the reports of adults with noisy babies or other young children being refused seats in first class? Where are they?

    Maybe the parents of noisy babies don't whine about the way they're dealt with?
  • Auld SnodyAuld Snody Posts: 15,171
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    Si_Crewe wrote: »
    You know what they say; "Ask a stupid question..." ;)

    Or ask a stupid person:D
  • Si_CreweSi_Crewe Posts: 40,202
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    Auld Snody wrote: »
    So commercial passenger airlines have open cockpits, as per this thread:D

    As I already said, ask a stupid question and you'll get a stupid answer.

    Try asking a sensible question and see how it works out.
  • d'@ved'@ve Posts: 45,515
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    Si_Crewe wrote: »
    Maybe the parents of noisy babies don't whine about it?

    You keep making these claims but interestingly, I have not yet seen you post any evidence of it.
  • Si_CreweSi_Crewe Posts: 40,202
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    d'@ve wrote: »
    You keep making these claims but interestingly, I have not yet seen you post any evidence of it.

    I'm not making any claims at all, other than claiming that disruptive passengers won't be allowed to sit near the pilots.

    You're the one who seems to have built this tower of suspicion based entirely on the fallacy that there's some kind of prejudice at work.

    As I said ages ago, if AA were operating some policy of keeping disabled people out of 1st class, you'd think THAT might have come to light before now as well but there's no evidence to support that either.
  • d'@ved'@ve Posts: 45,515
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    Si_Crewe wrote: »
    I'm not making any claims at all, other than claiming that disruptive passengers won't be allowed to sit near the pilots.

    You're the one who seems to have built this tower of suspicion based entirely on the fallacy that there's some kind of prejudice at work.

    As I said ages ago, if AA were operating some policy of keeping disabled people out of 1st class, you'd think THAT might have come to light before now as well but there's no evidence to support that either.

    I have not said there's any disability prejudice at work, merely that based on what we know, the airline probably made a misjudgement but won't (yet) admit it. That's all.
  • Auld SnodyAuld Snody Posts: 15,171
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    Si_Crewe wrote: »
    As I already said, ask a stupid question and you'll get a stupid answer.

    Try asking a sensible question and see how it works out.

    I find it strange that you did not know we were talking about commercial passenger planes , as that is what the thread is about. You were just being deliberatly obtuse:D
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