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Are Big Issue sellers asked to beg?

SpouthouseSpouthouse Posts: 1,046
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I've noticed a trend among Big Issue sellers recently whereby they say 'Big Issue pleeeeeease!' Instead of just saying 'Big Issue'. Also, if you say no (you can't keep buying copies from every one you see after all) they even sometimes follow up by continuing to say 'oh please, Big Issue pleeeeeeeeeeeease.'

I always thought the idea of Big Issue was to give homeless people an alternative to begging. But that's exactly what some of them seem to have started doing, just armed with a magazine.

Is this now ok with BI or are a lot of sellers just ignoring the charity's rules?
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    HeartacheHeartache Posts: 4,299
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    I thought originally it was introduced to stop them begging, now from what l have heard, it has turned into a lucrative self employment opportunity for mainly eastern europeans, policed by gang masters.
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    tenofspadestenofspades Posts: 12,875
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    funnily enough there's some Big Issue characters. One the other day was singing a song that actually musically went together. The words and everything.
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    SpouthouseSpouthouse Posts: 1,046
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    The Big Issue certainly seems to have changed in recent years. Well, the selling practices have anyway. I've bought it in the past, but I tend not to any more. And the main reason is the begging.

    I also wonder whether shops are altogether happy with them selling outside, as I'm sure a lot of people, given the choice, will just avoid them by using an alternative shop. Can't be good for business.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 0
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    There's a woman from Eastern Europe who sells them on the street outside my house. She's been selling the Big Issue now for two years.

    I thought sellers were meant to sell them for a short term period? :confused:
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 8,916
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    Heartache wrote: »
    I thought originally it was introduced to stop them begging, now from what l have heard, it has turned into a lucrative self employment opportunity for mainly eastern europeans, policed by gang masters.

    This is what it is like nowadays. It's a shame the magazine turns a blind eye to it as it now means the genuinely homeless and needy don't get a look-in.
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    cessnacessna Posts: 6,747
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    This is what it is like nowadays. It's a shame the magazine turns a blind eye to it as it now means the genuinely homeless and needy don't get a look-in.


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    Its understood that by selling the Big Issue for 16 hours weekly
    the Govt will recognise the various vendors, including immigrants
    as qualifying for Self Employed status. This then allows them to also qualify for additional benefits. As in the case of the
    single mother from E Europe with various children incl one disabled, now able to claim c £26-£28k with housing - as a Big Issue seller.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 1,346
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    Overheard a seller in Bristol saying "Today's Big Issue, tomorrow's toilet tissue" :D
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    valkayvalkay Posts: 15,726
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    They seem to be mainly Roma gypsies, and apparently the original sellers are forced off their pitches by threats of violence.
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    acoolwelshblokeacoolwelshbloke Posts: 3,185
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    I don't buy the big issue anymore, all Easter Europeans now. Was talking to an old seller who is still homeless and he was attacked twice by rival sellers to give up his pitch! He just begs now near the market.

    Not saying that's what's happening everywhere else though.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 8,916
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    I don't buy the big issue anymore, all Easter Europeans now. Was talking to an old seller who is still homeless and he was attacked twice by rival sellers to give up his pitch! He just begs now near the market.

    Not saying that's what's happening everywhere else though.

    You should try again as they now give away a free chocolate egg with every purchase.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 1,232
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    I was with a friend the other day and passed a big issue seller (not an Eastern European, surprisingly) shouting that the copy she had was the last one. Mainly to shut her up as we planned on having coffee from a cafe in the street and sitting outside, my friend bought it. The seller was grateful and walked away. 30mins later we were sat drinking coffee and the same seller comes back with another "last copy". I'm sure she's not indicative of all sellers, but it's really put me off buying a Big Issue again.
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    acoolwelshblokeacoolwelshbloke Posts: 3,185
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    podgicus wrote: »
    I was with a friend the other day and passed a big issue seller (not an Eastern European, surprisingly) shouting that the copy she had was the last one. Mainly to shut her up as we planned on having coffee from a cafe in the street and sitting outside, my friend bought it. The seller was grateful and walked away. 30mins later we were sat drinking coffee and the same seller comes back with another "last copy". I'm sure she's not indicative of all sellers, but it's really put me off buying a Big Issue again.

    It worked though didn't it! :D
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    kyresakyresa Posts: 16,629
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    I don't buy the big issue anymore, all Easter Europeans now. Was talking to an old seller who is still homeless and he was attacked twice by rival sellers to give up his pitch! He just begs now near the market.

    Not saying that's what's happening everywhere else though.


    It is Eastern Europeans everywhere I've been lately (mainly places in the SE England around London)
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    bookaddictbookaddict Posts: 2,806
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    Spouthouse wrote: »
    I've noticed a trend among Big Issue sellers recently whereby they say 'Big Issue pleeeeeease!' Instead of just saying 'Big Issue'. Also, if you say no (you can't keep buying copies from every one you see after all) they even sometimes follow up by continuing to say 'oh please, Big Issue pleeeeeeeeeeeease.'

    I always thought the idea of Big Issue was to give homeless people an alternative to begging. But that's exactly what some of them seem to have started doing, just armed with a magazine.

    Is this now ok with BI or are a lot of sellers just ignoring the charity's rules?

    Ignoring the rules, I think. I always buy one off the same guy who I have been buying it from for years. If I see another seller, I tell them I've already got one, and they usually say thanks for buying it, even if it wasn't from them personally.
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    Default_UserDefault_User Posts: 4,922
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    I don't think the Big Issue suppliers ask the sellers to do anything. They simply supply a product at a specially low price to give the sellers a generous profit to help them out.
    If the sellers are begging, they're possibly breaking street trading rules, but it's their own choice to be a nuisance.
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    HotgossipHotgossip Posts: 22,385
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    We have a couple of East Europeans who sell big issue in separate towns. The woman always wears an old headscarf and does all the "Pleeeeeeaaaasssssse" stuff. She stands in the way on the pavement so you have to walk round her.

    The man is also scruffy and he goes in local charity shop and pinches clothes and leaves his old stuff behind. I told the manager that she should tell the police but she just says "he's obviously very poor". I don't think they are poor and I don't think either of them live locally. We have a very limited bus service so how do they get here? I reckon he has a posh car somewhere.

    I keep meaning to have both these people checked out because they wear big issue tankards and I think they both have badges.
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    NortherlyNortherly Posts: 1,232
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    Iv never bought one and never will
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    Pepperoni ManPepperoni Man Posts: 7,798
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    Hotgossip wrote: »
    We have a couple of East Europeans who sell big issue in separate towns. The woman always wears an old headscarf and does all the "Pleeeeeeaaaasssssse" stuff. She stands in the way on the pavement so you have to walk round her.

    The man is also scruffy and he goes in local charity shop and pinches clothes and leaves his old stuff behind. I told the manager that she should tell the police but she just says "he's obviously very poor". I don't think they are poor and I don't think either of them live locally. We have a very limited bus service so how do they get here? I reckon he has a posh car somewhere.

    I keep meaning to have both these people checked out because they wear big issue tankards and I think they both have badges.

    How much speculation do you want to put in one post??
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    elliecatelliecat Posts: 9,890
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    I buy one and I tend to buy it from the same couple of sellers. If they are proper Big Issue sellers they will have a badge as well as the red tabard. I need to get this weeks one as Irvine Welsh has written a sequel to Porno telling us what has happened to Begbie and it is only getting published via the Big Issue.
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    talentedmonkeytalentedmonkey Posts: 2,639
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    The Big Issue seller in my part of world is a wonderful young lady, she doesn't beg and never asks for anything.
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    cjsmummycjsmummy Posts: 11,079
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    elliecat wrote: »
    I buy one and I tend to buy it from the same couple of sellers. If they are proper Big Issue sellers they will have a badge as well as the red tabard. I need to get this weeks one as Irvine Welsh has written a sequel to Porno telling us what has happened to Begbie and it is only getting published via the Big Issue.

    Oh I hope there's a Big Issue seller in town this week!:eek:
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    valkayvalkay Posts: 15,726
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    podgicus wrote: »
    I was with a friend the other day and passed a big issue seller (not an Eastern European, surprisingly) shouting that the copy she had was the last one. Mainly to shut her up as we planned on having coffee from a cafe in the street and sitting outside, my friend bought it. The seller was grateful and walked away. 30mins later we were sat drinking coffee and the same seller comes back with another "last copy". I'm sure she's not indicative of all sellers, but it's really put me off buying a Big Issue again.

    There was a comedian, I forget which one, who joked, he bought the last one off a Big issue seller, and said you can go home now then,
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    spookyLXspookyLX Posts: 11,730
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    no they are not asked to beg , it is not allowed but Big Issue do not enforce their own rules , they used to be really strict and would take away the sellers ID badge etc but they are not bothered these days

    One of the sellers in my town is eastern European and he tends to come right up to you and pleads with you to buy a copy and gets annoyed if you say no thank you :(
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    CLL DodgeCLL Dodge Posts: 115,871
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    In the town where I worked the seller used to say "God bless you" whether you bought one or not. Maybe the only words of English she knew. Seemed to work as people would give her money without buying the magazine.
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    SylviaSylvia Posts: 14,586
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    It worked though didn't it! :D

    Yes, well done to her for showing a bit of initiative!:cool:
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