Hardworking Brits/immigrants
CarlLewis
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Can someone clear up a point?
When Mrs Thatcher talked of cracking down on Social Security "scroungers", those to the Left of her said that British people were proud and would rather take a job, any job, rather than be unemployed. There just weren't jobs available.
When those on the Right seek to cut immigration, many people say that immigrants do the jobs that the Brits don't want to do.
Are the Brits proud and hardworking or bone idle?
I'm confused.
When Mrs Thatcher talked of cracking down on Social Security "scroungers", those to the Left of her said that British people were proud and would rather take a job, any job, rather than be unemployed. There just weren't jobs available.
When those on the Right seek to cut immigration, many people say that immigrants do the jobs that the Brits don't want to do.
Are the Brits proud and hardworking or bone idle?
I'm confused.
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Some are, some aren't.
Some are scroungers.
There are Brits that cover the entire spectrum of proud hard working would never not work through to utter lazy bu66er who will never work.
It's up to the government to pull the rug.
There certainly doesn't seem to be much of a culture of going into personal care work among young British born people. I have barely met a British born carer in 20 years.
I've often seen/heard this said. But I've never seen any real, proper evidence to back it up.
All of my carers are British, local folk with some very funny stories...most of my nurses are British too. ;-)
Stop foreigners coming here and taking those poorly paid jobs.
The result would be employers would be forced to pay real wages (something the left keep harping on about wanting) and our "lazy kids" would then take them.
The left want this and that, they just don't know how it all works. (i always include the Conservative Party when i say left btw)!!!
My son was prepared to do any work at all when studying, he said the wage being offered in some cases was ridiculous. £2.15 ph on one occasion. It was me that told him to pass that job up, its an insult to say the least.
I'm of the opinion that the vast majority of British people want to work and get a fair wage for their efforts. There aren't many who would actually prefer to be on benefits given the way you are treated these days.
No employers would not be forced to pay real wages, because the unemployed would be forced to take these jobs as you cannot turn a job down if on benefits. And stopping foreigners coming here taking the jobs as people put it would also not force wages up. As very few jobs have to be done on uk soil.
My son wasn't on any benefits, regardless, £2.15 ph is not a fair wage, if that is all an employer can pay I would suggest they are not in a fit position to trade, let alone employ someone.
Time out of work can make you lazy as well,if someone loses their job and is out of work for a couple of months the work ethic is still there,a year on without work and they have a totally different routine which they are comfortable with.
A lot has changed since Thatcher and the Lefties made those statements,for many the benefits system was seen as a bit of a top up,in the construction industry especially,a lot of people on full time work also signed on which obviously distorted figures.
Since then successive Tory and Labour Governments have let the Benefit system get out of hand(though it goes hand in hand with rising costs)
I'd say I'm a Leftie but I can never agree with the idea that some people who don't work will have a higher income than someone who works a 40 hr week.
I don't know what job or what company your son was with but in general....
How do you suppose businesses started out? Just suddenly being able to pay a load of employees £6+ an hour? All small businesses generally start out paying low wages until they make more money. Forcing employers to pay wages they cannot afford to, will put more people out of work. That's not to say employees should be exploited though.
There is no excuse for huge companies with good turnover to be paying their employees minimum wage.
Maybe not down south but when my Mum was dying just over four years ago, her carers were all white British
Same up here. All the carers in the homes here are British . Perhaps there aren't many british people where wonkeydonkey lives ?
It's pretty mixed. I think I read somewhere that 40% of our nurses were born abroad, and I reckon its higher for HCA's (speaking nationally). As long as they speak good, clear English it seems to work well, but I have seen some agency staff who must have been recruited on the cheap.
Still, when a migrant worker can earn more doing basic unskilled factory work on minimum wage than they can earn as a fully qualified electrician/plumber/accountant/nurse in their home country then you have to question just how well the EU is working as a unified economic block.
The other issue I have is the race to the bottom of the wages scale. I always thought that introducing a national minimum wage was meant to lift working people out of exploitation and poverty. Instead it seems to have had the opposite effect. The reliance on Working Tax Credit to top up wages is joke.
McDonald's or Burger King ring any bells?
This is the problem. Menial jobs on shit wages aren't conducive to the long term aspirations of the British given the cost of everything, whereby our guests from Eastern Europe are more willing to slum it here whilst washing cars and send the cash back to their home country where it amounts to a small fortune. There is a massive economic imbalance across Europe where some nations hold no reciprocal value for countries like the UK.
If British born people were willing to do the job I offer, I wouldn't have to look to Poland to get staff.
But on the whole, I don't think you can generalise. I have British and Polish staff who are hardworking, will work any hours they get the opportunity to and do a damn good job. I've also had British and Polish people walk in, attempt the job for a day and never come back.
The thing is, how much are you paying? I wouldn't work for minimum wage in this country, you wouldn't be able to do anything with it. The Polish aren't harder working, they are just more willing to live for less I think.
I went up to £7.50 an hour in April as a starting point because of a new long term contract. I know its not much more than minimum wage but at the minute (I hope to have another new contract by October so will review the pay if I get that) it's what I can afford to keep everybody that wants it in a minimum of 39 hours
And I agree the Polish aren't necessarily more hardworking, as I say I've had Brits and Poles who are fantastic as well as Brits and Poles who aren't very good/don't come back.
I do however have more difficulty in getting people from the local area to apply than people who live in Poland. I advertised for new staff in February time, I had one Brit apply and when she came for her interview, already made her mind up it wasn't for her and never came back without setting foot in the kitchen.
Then why is it that the Poles, Russians & Romanians in my area never seem to work? All I see my neighbours do is go out and come back with a black bag full of alcohol.
Do you normally ask where they're born then?